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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 9:52:48 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Oct 29, 2017 9:52:48 GMT -5
A couple of days before Gurrie's obscene gesture, I was having trouble rooting for Houston.
Why?
The on the field, over the top, Hot Dog, Horse Crap antics by Altuve, Correa and Marwin Gonzalez, just to name the 3 biggest offenders.
Every time one of them does something really good, all of the hot dogging and showing off for the camaras start.
Starting to look like the NFL where when a player does his JOB, his frickin JOB, you know, what he's paid to do, results in an eleventeen hour, over the top, assinine celebration.
Or the recent end zone antics where some of them group together, one is the hitter, one is the catcher and others cheering, and they pantomime the pitch and the hitter hitting a home run.
Shows how the game has changed.
Do that to just about ANY pitcher up until the "Let's all feel better about each other," 90's, and they'd drill the guy.
In game 3, IN FRONT of their dug out, Altuve and Correa started up, dancing around, holding their tongues out and going on and on like 6 year olds.
It would have been hard for ME, NOT to drill them where they stood, that very second!
I wouldn't have, but it would have been hard.
And rest assured those antics, their very NEXT at bats vs Gibson, Drysdale, Bunning, Spahn, and dozens of others WOULD HAVE gotten them a seat on their fannies, or a big, fat, nasty, purple bruise.
And yes, I DO support that kind of retaliation for what they did, Roger.
I do.
Boly's rule #1: NEVER, EVER show up another player.
Don't EVER intentionally cause them to lose face.
Which Altuve and Correa do all the time... and they call that "just having a little fun."
Since when is it OKAY to have your FUN, at someone else's expense?
Not in my world.
And if it's okay in your world?
Well, then we live on different planets and you should be glad YOU didn't play back when Drysdale, Gibson, and others played.
You should be very glad.
They didn't put up with that nonsense, and you would have paid the price.
boly
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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 10:20:35 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Oct 29, 2017 10:20:35 GMT -5
I haven't watched any of it so I can't really give my own opinion of how the Houston players act. But if it's anything close how you explain then it's disgusting behavior.
I did see the one guy making the slanted eyes gesture, that I find appalling, and he should be banned, not next year but right now and for the rest of the series. It affects me on a personal level because my girlfriend is Vietnamese.
After what you say about some of the players, and after the replay of the racist gesture that I saw...I might have to stop rooting for Houston to beat the Dodgers. Is there any way they can both lose?
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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 13:16:00 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Oct 29, 2017 13:16:00 GMT -5
That was Yuli Gurriel, and the commissioner showed no huevos what-so-ever in NOT suspending him.
No one is saying it, but one reporter 'hinted' that HAD he suspended him, it would have become a MASSIVE union issue.
Instead, he deferred the suspension until next year.
Why are leaders EVERY WHERE so gutless?
It's a question I ask myself where I work, where my wife works, pretty much every where where anyone I know WORKS.
boly
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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 16:21:13 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Oct 29, 2017 16:21:13 GMT -5
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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 16:24:26 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Oct 29, 2017 16:24:26 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of celebrations. I tend to take the position of acting like you've been there before. But the World Games showed much more emotion prior to this season, and some of it has carried over.
No offense, guys, but you pay far too much attention to what OTHERS do. You of all people, Boly, should know that he who is perfect should cast the first stone. I don't know about you, but I fall far short.
Again, I don't like it. But it's still rather reserved compared to the other major sports. Why get our knitting in a bunch when it's a winter sweater we need?
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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 16:29:27 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Oct 29, 2017 16:29:27 GMT -5
By the way, Boly, there's a big difference between over-celebrating and breaking a guy's shoulder blade. Jim Ray Hart didn't do any unnecessary celebrating that I saw when he doubled in extra innings to beat the Cardinals in the first game of his major league career. And maybe Bob wasn't trying to hit him in the second game of the double header when he broke the bone on a pitch Hart had no chance to avoid.
But while I admire Gibby as a pitcher, I don't at all like that he apparently did give a Hoot about significantly injuring a player. And yet you glorify Gibson as well as Don Drysdale, who seemingly knocked down Willie Mays every time he faced him. Surprisingly though, I don't recall a single time Don knocked down Willie McCovey, who practically owned him.
From a baseball point of view, I understand what you're saying. But it's still juvenile behavior that can turn quite dangerous. The pitcher has a deadly weapon out there.
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Houston
Oct 29, 2017 16:31:30 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Oct 29, 2017 16:31:30 GMT -5
And yes, today's players should be very happy they didn't play back in the days of Gibson and Drysdale. The pay wasn't NEARLY as good. Not even remotely.
On the other hand, they have to face better pitchers today (overall), although they're also better athletes with better equipment, nutrition, training, coaching and information.
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Houston
Oct 30, 2017 9:52:39 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Oct 30, 2017 9:52:39 GMT -5
Excited emotions I have no problem with
PLANNED celebrations done ONLY to rub the other team's nose in what they did, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I'm with you; act like you've been there before.
But today's clowns can't.
They HAVE to act out like 7 year olds, doing everything they can to get the camera focused on THEM, not the team.
boly
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Houston
Oct 31, 2017 2:40:44 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Oct 31, 2017 2:40:44 GMT -5
Today I met an Astros fan who is a friend of Jose Cruz Sr. This guy is very old school. He was born in Puerto Rico but has lived here most of the time since he came to the states for college. While he was old-school about virtually everything we talked about baseball-wise, he didn't have a problem with shows of emotion.
I'm with Boly in that something pre-planned doesn't seem appropriate. Something more spontaneous I don't really have a problem with. I'm not thrilled about it, but I guess I can't really complain.
It's really something I should get used to.
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Houston
Oct 31, 2017 2:43:14 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Oct 31, 2017 2:43:14 GMT -5
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 13:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 3, 2017 13:56:44 GMT -5
I'm ok with it too, Rog. But I also think those players know that the opposing pitcher might have a problem with it. Why do it if you know the opposition might take exception to it? When someone does something that they know might offend someone, then they're just being self centered a-holes.
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 14:47:20 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Nov 3, 2017 14:47:20 GMT -5
I'm ok with it too, Rog. But I also think those players know that the opposing pitcher might have a problem with it. Why do it if you know the opposition might take exception to it? When someone does something that they know might offend someone, then they're just being self centered a-holes. Rog -- What Gurriel did to Darvish was horrible, and I'm glad he was suspended for five games. It did appear he made an apology of sorts when he faced Darvish for the first time in game 7. I'm not a big fan of demonstrations of emotion, but compared to the other sports, baseball is pretty tame. If a guy hits a home run against a pitcher, I think it is very wrong of him to yell at the pitcher, but to show honest emotion not directed directly at the pitcher doesn't seem so bad to me. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4123/houston#ixzz4xOq5uTs7
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 14:50:40 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Nov 3, 2017 14:50:40 GMT -5
By the way, Boagie, I'm not at all opposed to your comment that if one realizes his action may bother someone else, he should err on the side of avoiding that action. But sometimes emotion takes over. As long as the hitter doesn't yell, point or otherwise gesture at the pitcher or other opponent, I don't see the issue.
The big problem, by the way, with baseball's unwritten rules is that they're unwritten. Not everyone seems them the same. They're a little petty too, but that's another point. We see plenty of examples why baseball is considered to be a child's game.
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 14:52:13 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Nov 3, 2017 14:52:13 GMT -5
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 14:55:55 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Nov 3, 2017 14:55:55 GMT -5
I disagree.
Their antics are saying "look at me! Look at me!"
See it all the time in football.
guy makes a play he's SUPPOSED TO MAKE, and he goes into all sorts of gyrations and idiotic nonsense.
But once again, Rog, I ask you the question; Do you always HAVE to disagree?
I can't think of one post, not one, in which you DIDN'T have to disagree with at least some part of the post.
boly
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 16:08:08 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Nov 3, 2017 16:08:08 GMT -5
You make an excellent point, Boly,and I apologize. Maybe we could agree that I will disagree less and you will take a broader viewpoint. I think we would both benefit.
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sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
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Houston
Nov 3, 2017 23:48:46 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Nov 3, 2017 23:48:46 GMT -5
the Astros could have been the worst over the top showboats in history and I still would be LOVING their beating the Dog Hairs
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Houston
Nov 4, 2017 10:03:43 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Nov 4, 2017 10:03:43 GMT -5
Rog-You make an excellent point, Boly,and I apologize. Maybe we could agree that I will disagree less and you will take a broader viewpoint. I think we would both benefit.
***boly says**
We can do that.
Or, wouldn't it just be easier to NOT look for that with which you disagree, but on a single point, agree, and if there is something else with which you disagree, do that in a separate post.
I know I'm a "glass half filled" guy, but that would help.
boly
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Houston
Nov 4, 2017 20:01:20 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Nov 4, 2017 20:01:20 GMT -5
I agree that we should fill the other half of your cup. It's tough to argue that a full cup is half-empty. Yogi Berra might agree though that it's 90% half-empty.
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