Post by Rog on Oct 25, 2017 9:59:10 GMT -5
No, not me. Writer John Delcos of the New York Mets Report. Here is part of what he wrote under the title above:
"Beltran has always been one of my favorite players to cover.
Win or lose, he was always stand-up after games. He always answered questions no matter how he played. He often played hurt, playing with a fractured face from an outfield collision in 2005. Even so, arguably the Mets’ best all-time position player was never truly appreciated by fans of the team, but certainly was in the clubhouse.
I hated how Beltran was treated by the team at the end of his Mets’ tenure when GM Sandy Alderson didn’t appreciate the gravity of Beltran’s knee injury and the player went and had surgery on his own."
I post this because Carlos hasn't always been appreciated by Giants fans either. 2011 was a weird season greatly complicated by Carlos' injury soon after he joined the club. After being acquired from the Mets for Zack Wheeler, he hadn't played well for the Giants prior to the injury. Even after returning, he didn't drive in a lot of runs.
But Carlos' stats with the Giants were: .323/.369/.551/.920. As I wrote in another thread (or maybe I just thought it and didn't send it into cyberspace), Carlos likely won't make the Hall of Fame, although he's certainly a Hall of Fame candidate who might get chosen by the Veterans' Committee if baseball doesn't get smart and either disband it or make it a lot harder for the committee to vote a player in.
But if Carlos' career stats were as good as they were with the Giants (and his stats were higher with the Giants than any of the other six teams he played for in his career, he would be a Hall of Fame no-brainer. But he didn't drive in any runs for the Giants, you say? You are correct, but as we discussed in yet another thread, RBI's are something of a team stat, and I should add that they are somewhat variable in smaller samples.
Suffice it to say that if Carlos had extended his Giants numbers over his full career, he would have a lot more RBI's than the 1587 he presently has. That total ranks #41 of all time, less than 50 homers behind two-time MVP Ernie Banks.
But the purpose of this post isn't to show that Carlos should make the Hall of Fame. IMO he shouldn't. The purpose of is to show yet another source that indicates Carlos is a good guy (as his winning the Roberto Clemente Award in 2013 might indicate).
There's also the recent episode where his Astros teammates "buried" Beltran's glove after he hadn't played in the field in over two months. Carlos is a full-time DH now.
"I love it," Beltran said after the ceremony. "I have fun with them. They have fun with me. That's what a team should be."
We have previously cited several articles indicating Beltran is a leader and a good clubhouses presence.
And of course Beltran was criticized here for having something of a phantom injury with the Giants. Yet Delcos, who knows much ore about Beltran than we do, says above, "He often played hurt."
IMO Beltran won't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame five or more years after he retires, which could conceivably be as soon as this off-season. But he deserves far better treatment than he has received on this board.
One can certainly understand how we can be disappointed by the 2011 season. But that certainly wasn't entirely the fault of a player who despite injury hit .323 with a .920 OPS for the Giants. Worse, we shouldn't be assaulting becausing of our frustration what appears to be his fine character.
Beltran is a lot closer to deserving induction into the Hall than he is deserving of being our whipping boy. He doesn't deserve either.
"Beltran has always been one of my favorite players to cover.
Win or lose, he was always stand-up after games. He always answered questions no matter how he played. He often played hurt, playing with a fractured face from an outfield collision in 2005. Even so, arguably the Mets’ best all-time position player was never truly appreciated by fans of the team, but certainly was in the clubhouse.
I hated how Beltran was treated by the team at the end of his Mets’ tenure when GM Sandy Alderson didn’t appreciate the gravity of Beltran’s knee injury and the player went and had surgery on his own."
I post this because Carlos hasn't always been appreciated by Giants fans either. 2011 was a weird season greatly complicated by Carlos' injury soon after he joined the club. After being acquired from the Mets for Zack Wheeler, he hadn't played well for the Giants prior to the injury. Even after returning, he didn't drive in a lot of runs.
But Carlos' stats with the Giants were: .323/.369/.551/.920. As I wrote in another thread (or maybe I just thought it and didn't send it into cyberspace), Carlos likely won't make the Hall of Fame, although he's certainly a Hall of Fame candidate who might get chosen by the Veterans' Committee if baseball doesn't get smart and either disband it or make it a lot harder for the committee to vote a player in.
But if Carlos' career stats were as good as they were with the Giants (and his stats were higher with the Giants than any of the other six teams he played for in his career, he would be a Hall of Fame no-brainer. But he didn't drive in any runs for the Giants, you say? You are correct, but as we discussed in yet another thread, RBI's are something of a team stat, and I should add that they are somewhat variable in smaller samples.
Suffice it to say that if Carlos had extended his Giants numbers over his full career, he would have a lot more RBI's than the 1587 he presently has. That total ranks #41 of all time, less than 50 homers behind two-time MVP Ernie Banks.
But the purpose of this post isn't to show that Carlos should make the Hall of Fame. IMO he shouldn't. The purpose of is to show yet another source that indicates Carlos is a good guy (as his winning the Roberto Clemente Award in 2013 might indicate).
There's also the recent episode where his Astros teammates "buried" Beltran's glove after he hadn't played in the field in over two months. Carlos is a full-time DH now.
"I love it," Beltran said after the ceremony. "I have fun with them. They have fun with me. That's what a team should be."
We have previously cited several articles indicating Beltran is a leader and a good clubhouses presence.
And of course Beltran was criticized here for having something of a phantom injury with the Giants. Yet Delcos, who knows much ore about Beltran than we do, says above, "He often played hurt."
IMO Beltran won't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame five or more years after he retires, which could conceivably be as soon as this off-season. But he deserves far better treatment than he has received on this board.
One can certainly understand how we can be disappointed by the 2011 season. But that certainly wasn't entirely the fault of a player who despite injury hit .323 with a .920 OPS for the Giants. Worse, we shouldn't be assaulting becausing of our frustration what appears to be his fine character.
Beltran is a lot closer to deserving induction into the Hall than he is deserving of being our whipping boy. He doesn't deserve either.
