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Aug 16, 2017 21:58:49 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Aug 16, 2017 21:58:49 GMT -5
I felt very badly for Matt Cain last night.
To begin with, he was in a gun fight, and all he had was a pocket knife.
He literally had no chance.
He no longer has the stuff to stop a line up like theirs, and then, in that first inning, everything that could go wrong, went wrong.
Catcher's interference, for Gods' sake?
A floink for a hit?
He was done before he even had a chance to begin.
He deserved better.
He really did.
Matt is a good, good guy.
A stand up guy.
A good Giant.
He deserved better.
boly
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Aug 18, 2017 13:26:03 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Aug 18, 2017 13:26:03 GMT -5
Matt will go down as one of the best San Francisco Giants. Surely he's in the top 10 among SF starters, isn't he?
The Giants were perhaps unfortunate that physical problems took the highly successful careers of both Matt and Tim Lincecum and turned them astray.
Take a look at these ERA's: 3.65, 3.76, 2.89, 3.14, 2.88 and 2.79 from Matt. But followed by 4.00, 4.18, 5.79, 5.64 and 5.19. 2.62, 2.48, 3.43 and 2.74 from Tim, but followed by 5.18, 4.37, 4.74 and 4.13.
Injuries are a part of the game, and with pitchers, they're a big part.
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Aug 18, 2017 15:05:17 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Aug 18, 2017 15:05:17 GMT -5
Top 10 SF Giant pitchers?
Good question!
Off the top of my head I can come up with:
Marichal (obvious) Gaylord (obvious) Bum (obvious) Timmy (obvious)
Now it gets cloudy.
I'd "like" to put Sad Sam Jones on that list... but his career in SF was too brief, so I can't.
Rick Rueschel? No. Only 2 full years. Jack Sanford? Too brief before he got hurt. Jim Barr? he certainly deserves a look.
I would have to agree, then, Rog. Cain has to be considered in the top 10 All Time SF Giant pitchers.
boly
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Aug 18, 2017 15:10:32 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Aug 18, 2017 15:10:32 GMT -5
Think back to 2011, when even though they didn't make the playoffs, Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner and Vogelsong posted ERA's of 2.74, 2.88, 3.21 and 2.71. And even Jonathan Sanchez was at 4.26 when healthy.
Speaking of a quick collapse, Jonathan's ERA was 2.73 at the end of April, but was 5.00 over the rest of his injury-shortened season. The following season his ERA was 8.07, and the year after that, 11.85. Then 67.50 in 2/3rds of an inning in 2014.
I haven't seen that Jonathan has pitched in the continental U.S. since, but after a 6.81 in the Puerto Rico Winter League, he has bounced back with 2.72 and 2.75 the past two winters. Still doesn't allow many hits, strikes out a lot of batters and walks a lot. Doesn't give up many homers at all now.
It's hard to imagine Jonathan back in the majors, but if he has another good winter, I wonder if he would get a shot, perhaps as a lefty specialist. Despite the quick and horrid ending to his major league career, Jonathan limited lefty hitters to a .218 batting average. He'll be 35 next season.
He's likely done, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if the Giants scouted him this winter. They've missed Javier Lopez, and Jonathan doesn't appear to have put many miles on his arm since leaving the majors.
I hadn't thought of Jonathan for a long, long time. But I'm glad he came up here. Despite what Allen said, Jonathan was a pretty good pitcher for a while.
And, amazingly after the way his major league career ended, he's been quite good the past two winters in Puerto Rico.
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Aug 18, 2017 17:07:37 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Aug 18, 2017 17:07:37 GMT -5
Jonathan's career always puzzled me.
Yeah, he always had command problems, but then, a large portion of long, slender, lefties do.
But he lost EVERYTHING else so quickly.
Makes me wonder what else was wrong with his arm/shoulder/elbow.
boly
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