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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 23, 2017 16:20:35 GMT -5
Arroyo, after a really fast start, took a nose dive off the high board and did a massive crash and burn about his 3rd week with the club.
Austin Slater is more or less at that same point, where Christian started to struggle, but I don't see him slowing down, as Christian did, nor do I see him getting fooled and over matched as much.
At the moment, after 17 games, Slater has 65 ab, 2 dbl, 1 triple and 2 HRs with 12 RBIs
Arroyo with 125 at bats, was 5-0-3, with 14 RBIs
So, though it's way too early to say for sure, Slater "seems" to be in better shape with pitch recognition than Christian.
Slater continues to surprise me, as I'm still struggling with his swing.
Both he and Arroyo have nice, short, quick, compact strokes... which I absolutely love and preach! But for whatever reason, Slater doesn't chase off speed stuff as much as Christian did.
Bottom line for me; right NOW, Slater is the better player.
Right now.
But I think both have the chance to be pretty good; as in the Brandon Crawford/Joe Panik mold of pretty good.
I'll take that in a heart beat..
That's why I want to see what Ryder Jones and even Shaw can do... though I must admit, I think it's too early for Shaw.
Maybe in September, but not just yet.
Beede? Time to give him a look.
boly[/font][/font]
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Post by Rog on Jun 24, 2017 4:07:43 GMT -5
I don't know whether Austin will also hit a wall, but he has started out quite a bit better than Christian, whose timeliness of hits concealed the fact that he wasn't getting on base well even early on. Christian hit his peak on May 2nd after nine games, hitting .278 with a .444 slugging percentage. That's not too bad, but his on-base percentage was a horrid .297.
I think the key with Christian is that he needs to have the confidence to take more pitches, swinging only at "his" pitch until he has two strikes. Christian hit 92% of the balls in the strike zone that he swung at, but he hit only 28% of his balls in play hard.
If Christian learns to be more selective, he'll probably strike out a bit more -- although not necessarily. More on that soon. But by waiting for better pitches to hit, he will almost certainly hit them better. Taking more pitches will get him to two strikes more often -- or will it?
Probably. But he swung at 35% of pitches outside the strike zone. Laying off more of those pitches could offset the pitches he takes for strikes, and he wouldn't get in two-strike counts a whole lot more than he already has.
At this point in his career, Christian has a more than acceptable 9% swinging strike rate. What he needs to do is swing at BETTER strikes. The Giants may have to be patient with Christian so he can learn to be more patient himself.
As for Beede, calling him up instead of Gregorio might be a big disincentive to the Giants' minor league pitchers. Gregorio's ERA isn't too much more than half of Beede's.
Something must be wrong with Derek Law. He blew the save tonight for the River Cats, giving up two runs on a hit and FOUR walks.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 24, 2017 9:08:14 GMT -5
Roger, you're talking in contradictory points when you speak of Arroyo's hitting.
First you speak of his confidence and how he needs it, (Lord, every player does!), then you segue into his chase rate out of the strike zone and other stuff.
It's contradictory because it ALL goes back to one thing: confidence.
Period.
When he first came up NO ONE was talking about his lack of confidence... and he was hitting well.
Pitchers began adjusting and HE was unable to adjust with them.
That goes to "pitch recognition."
He got to the point that as soon as the ball left the pitcher's hand... he was hacking.
That's a total LACK of seeing the spin; and believe me, you CAN see the spin.
Not seeing the spin KILLS confidence because that goes to pitch recognition.
Now I never played at that level, but I played at a high level, and I can tell you this; sometimes, as the pitch was on the way my mind saw and said: "Top to bottom spin; breaking ball..."
Or.."Bottom to top; fastball. Away. Lead with the hands..."
And then WHACK!
If I can see it, and I fell far short of the Show, then THEY can see it.
You keep throwing out numbers as if they tell the story and explain why.
They don't.
All they point out are results, not the WHY.
And the WHY is more important.
In the classroom I constantly preach that knowing the answer isn't enough because if that's all you can do, your chances of succeeding decline proportionately as things become more challenging.
The WHY is more important because if you know the WHY, it can be applied in similar situations.
Thus I don't give a rat's patootie about the numbers.
I can see what he's doing.
I care about the WHY.
The WHY is infinitely more importantly because it allows me to FIX the problem.
And Arroyo will.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jun 24, 2017 23:26:35 GMT -5
It's really tough to see the spin quickly enough at the major league level.
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Post by Rog on Jun 24, 2017 23:34:20 GMT -5
You keep throwing out numbers as if they tell the story and explain why. They don't. All they point out are results, not the WHY. Rog -- They point out PART of the why. For instance, if a hitter is going out of the zone a lot, that is probably part of the "why" he isn't hitting well. That doesn't explain WHY he's going out of the zone. I would have to go back and look, but I'll bet pitchers began throwing Christian more secondary pitches. Maybe they found a fastball hole, but I'll bet it was changing speeds, locations and movements. You're saying he doesn't see the spin, and that's tough to do quickly enough at the major league level. That's why guys don't hit .400. But just as I haven't explained the WHY of why he's going outside the zone, I don't think you've explained why he's not seeing the spin. I think it's mostly because it's really hard to do at the major league level. Christian was hitting over his head at Sacramento, giving us a bit of false hope. I suspect he'll hit, but I doubt he'll be anything exceptional. The Giants just aren't coming up with those guys. The key is to get a superstar or at least a star with their likely high draft choice next summer. The Giants built this team through their picks of Lincecum, Bumgarner and Posey. The rest of the players have filled in around them. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3926/early-thoughts?page=1#ixzz4kz8W2G4i |
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Post by Rog on Jun 24, 2017 23:39:36 GMT -5
When he first came up NO ONE was talking about his lack of confidence... and he was hitting well. Rog -- Christian NEVER hit well with the Giants. His peak was after nine game with a .278 average and a .742 OPS. He got a clutch hit or two among his hits, making him appear to be a better hitter than he truly was showing. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3926/early-thoughts?page=1#ixzz4kzAV2VXc |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 25, 2017 11:26:15 GMT -5
Rog-It's really tough to see the spin quickly enough at the major league level.
***boly says***
That's not what Kruk and Kuip say, Rog, and it's not what Joe Morgan and others said.
You can and you do, but the hitter has to recognize it quickly.
If you can't, you're screwed.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jun 25, 2017 12:26:50 GMT -5
Rog-It's really tough to see the spin quickly enough at the major league level. ***boly says*** That's not what Kruk and Kuip say, Rog, and it's not what Joe Morgan and others said. You can and you do, but the hitter has to recognize it quickly. If you can't, you're screwed. Rog -- That's why I said it's tough to see it quickly enough. Hitters wouldn't look so bad so often if it were easy. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3926/early-thoughts#ixzz4l2IOd7VE |
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