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[klaiggeb]

2-10 while I was gone... pretty much what I expected, 0-1 in my return.

Haven't read the board yet but IMHO, it's time to move people.

I'd rather watch the kids play than continue to follow this crap.

boly

[Rog]

First of all, great to have you back Boly.

Secondly, I've got to agree with you and wonder aloud if the Giants aren't misjudging the situation. I have read that they believe this is a one-year aberration, but they've been so horrid for such a long time now that I can't agree with them, as much as we all hope they're right.

Sadly, the evidence is strong that they aren't. It appears they are making the same kind of mistake we were making a year ago when we declared the 2016 Giants the best team in SF Giants history. Since last year's All-Star break, they have gone just 56-86, putting them on pace to win just 8 of the next 20 games that will bring them to 162 games since the break.

That would mean that in a 162-game period, the Giants would have lost 98 games. Only one season in their history have they lost 100 games. This year they are on pace to do so again -- and if they don't win more than six of their next 20 games, they will have lost 100 games in a 162-game period. This could be one of the worst Giants teams we've seen.

[klaiggeb]

I think you nailed it, Rog. You really did.

Aberration my aging white fanny!

As you pointed out, 56-86?

They are deluding themselves.

Seriously.

They are.

Panik, from what I see in his average, is starting to hit.

Pence is not.

Belt is not

Nunez can't stay healthy.

Span's inconsistent .264 is unforgivable.

Moore has been terrible.

Cueto has been ridiculous! 92 hits in 86.2 innings?

That is not a top of the rotation number(s)

Jeffy the Stubborn has been inconsistent beyond belief. He IS the living Jekyll and Hyde. (sp?)

Approaching the 1/2 way point and our top RBI guy has 28!

Twenty-Freaking eight?

That's ridiculous!

For the longest time, I, too, thought this season was just a fluke.

Not any more.

Not after 162 games.

Uh huh.

Too many players having down years.

We need to re tool.

boly

[Toppgunn11]

Let's not forget a most glaring weakness...the batting coach, Mr. Hensley...this team won 3 World Series titles with pitching and defense...This career 200 hitter has never been able to make in game adjustments with his players, much less in series adjustments.  Every time a new prospect comes up hitting like crazy, they get near Bam Bam and it's over in no time.  When Bonds assisted in spring training last year, they came out raking for about a month or so, then "Bam Bam" got ahold of them...It's crazy, you don't hear anything about Meulens when the team hitting sucks, but the second someone comes out of a slump, he gets the credit?  Where is the criticism when they continue to have month-long slumps throughout the lineup. When are Bochy/Giants going to figure this out?  They have the best hitter basically ever at their fingertips and don't use him?  By the way, while we're at it, paying Belt all that money was a huge mistake, as he has never been anywhere near a consistent threat.  Draws walks and has the biggest hole in his swing possible...Paaleeze, Giants, get a clue.  Posey to first, Susak (who you let get away) to catch, problem solved.  Letting the players run the asylum...don't let me even go there with Cain and the wonderful bullpen....enough already.

[Rog]

Very nice to have you with us, Topp Gunn. Join us any time.

It's tough to criticize Meulens when we have no way of knowing what he's doing or not doing with his hitters.

What we do know is that the team isn't hitting, and that is his responsibility. We know that AT&T Park depresses hitting. This season the Giants' OPS is .712 on the road compared to just .625 at home. Teams usually it better at home, so the Giants' hitting isn't quite as bad as it appears from its overall offensive totals.

(What that says about the pitching, which with the help of the park holds opponents to a nice .662 OPS at home while allowing a scary .860 on the road, isn't as encouraging.)

Pat Burrell was such a bad hitter with Tampa Bay that he was released despite a big contract. He came to the Giants and raked. Cody Ross took off when he joined the Giants.

Regarding Belt, his contract was considered reasonably favorable by most around baseball when he signed it. He got off to a flying start in 2016 but, like the Giants themselves, has floundered since the 2016 All-Star break. For all his difficulties, he has more RBI's during that time than any other Giant.

Had the Giants put Posey on first and caught what I thought was a fine prospect in Susac, they would have suffered greatly behind the plate. Since leaving the Giants, Andrew has batting an unfathomable .125 in AAA in 2015 and .151 in AAA this season. One can argue either way on moving Buster to first base.

One reason they haven't is that for a decent period, Belt was their best hitter aside from Buster, and Brandon happens to play a near-Gold Glove caliber first base. The primary reason though is that they -- and Buster -- believe he helps the team most when playing behind the plate.

As for the pitching, Dave Righetti is considered one of the game's top pitching coaches. One problem the Giants are having is at closer, where it is possible Mark Melancon is pitching hurt.

The Giants are playing poorly in nearly every manner. There is likely plenty of blame to go around -- from the front office to their future Hall of Fame manager to the coaches and to the players themselves. From the outside, it's tough for us to assess where the blame lies.

In part it is because most of the Giants have been injured and/or are having down seasons. When they have won their World Series, seemingly all have gotten hot at the same time. For the past 11 months, they've been really cold.

[Rog]

Too many players having down years.

We need to re tool.


Rog -- I hope it's a case of too many players happening to have down years at the same time. I hope the Giants are able to turn themselves around by re-tooling rather than rebuilding. I lien more toward the rebuilding, but in reality something in between may well be the way to go.

I wish the guy who told me before the season that he believed the Giants needed to rebuild would come back to where I work so I could learn more from him. He's the only person I know what felt that way BEFORE the season began. I might be able to learn a lot from him. He either got lucky, or he's a pretty good analyst of the Giants.

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[klaiggeb]

Topp... firstly, glad you've joined us! Hope you continue to post with us.

I have to say... I've had that exact same thought about Muelins.

Thing is, I'm not sure that he's to blame.

When Arroyo came up, he had a hot 2 weeks.

Slater has done well, too.

I've been in and around baseball as a player and coach for going on 59 years and I have NEVER, EVER seen the things that have been happening going on for so long.

Yesterday was another great example.

Melancon made great pitches... bloops and seeing eye hits... He should have been long out of the inning.

Like Panik's line drive DP game ender the day before.

But that same nonsense has been going on for the entire season.

One would THINK... things would even out.

However, as I always said; the never, ever do.

In my time, I've never seen anything like this.

boly