Enough is a g.. damned 'nuf!

[klaiggeb]

Another fine job by a starting pitching.

Another great job of situational hitting.

Another outstanding day with major league hitters looking absolutely clueless.


1-Nunez opened the game DEMONSTRATING why I do not EVER want him leading off.

1st pitch of the game swinging.

Moron.

That jackass has no clue of the job of a leadoff hitter.

None.

Absolutely none.

I can see his mindset every time he comes to the plate: "They don't pay me to walk. They pay me to hit."

Wrong.

They pay you to HIT, but to also, be SMART.

He ain't.


2-Crawford.

In the last week he's now reverted back to what he was when he first came up. Clueless.

Chasing crap up in the zone.

Chasing crap out of the zone.

That at bat in the 6th with 2 on and 2 out was worse than awful. It was pathetic. It looked for all the world like a guy with his head somewhere else but NOT at the ball park.

3-Posey

Kruk says Posey says he likes his swing.

Really.

He's happy with singles that mostly have no pop.

And 2 RBIs?

I don't even want to hear about the 7 games he's missed.

Panik has 7 RBIs and HE usually hits 8th!


I don't want to hear about Kruk's late movement causing the problem.

For crying out loud, these guys played WIFFLE ball as a kid and you can't get more late movement than with a wiffle ball!

That's a horse crap excuse!



I've had just about all of this that I can take.


The only Dodger game I'll get will be the Monday game on ESPN, and honestly, there's a huge, HUGE part of me that's glad.

At least I won't have to watch any more of their half assed efforts.

And yes, Roger, they ARE half assed efforts.


This is a supposedly good team, that, almost to a man they don't even look like their heads are in the game.

They look preoccupied. Like they're having trouble focusing on what their jobs are.

This is NOT the same mentality we saw when the club rallied together in 2010 when Melky pulled his schtick.

This started last year, in the 2nd half because what we've been watching is EXACTLY the team we saw in the 2nd half of last season!

Exactly!


Inability to hit.

Inability to situationally hit.

Inability to hit with power.

Inability to pitch

Inability to even play defense worth a tinker's damn.

Heads up their collective fannies.


I've had enough.

They can all kiss my aging white fanny.

Every single one of them.

One ticked off.

boly

ps: why are YOU ticked off?

[Islandboagie]

Why am I ticked off?

I'm ticked because the Giants refuse to believe young players can help at the big league level.

I keep hearing that Arroyo isn't the answer. He might not be the answer to ALL our problems, but he's probably the best third baseman in the whole organization. Why aren't we calling him up?

I'm pissed because Tomlinson had a very good season off the bench for the Giants last season and how was he rewarded? He was replaced by "has beens" and "never were"s. That's a shit poor way to run your club.

I'm pissed because we see players like Upton and Stubbs as the answer and ignore Duggar and Slater.

I'm pissed because Denard "the tard" Span is still a Giant.

I'm pissed that Conor Gillaspie puts up great at-bats when we need him to and he's still not given a chance.

Finally, I'm pissed because I see us reverting back to what we were prior to 2007. Old ex All-Stars or underachievers with unwarranted big contracts "punching the time clock" and making dinner plans before the game is over. Not diving for balls, not running out grounders, not advancing runners...and definitely not putting up spirited at-bats. These weak swings and swinging at first pitches is disgusting to watch.

I'm not talking about Posey, Crawford, Belt, Pence etc...

I'm talking about Aaron Hill, Jeff Samardjiza, Denard Span, Chris Marrero, among others. Those are guys who haven't yet become true Giants. How long do we have to wait until it happens?

[Rog]

If Brandon Belt had less power, he might make a good lead off man. As it stands, his power would be somewhat wasted if he led off.

[Rog]

Brandon Crawford is far from clueless. He's in a slump, but he's far from clueless.

The one thing he's not doing is walking, but he has struck out less than usual too.

[Rog]

Buster has hit the ball pretty well this season. He's striking out more than usual, but his walks are also up a bit. He has hit the ball softly only 6.5% of the time, which is outstanding. The least he's hit the ball softly is 10.8% in his MVP season.

Most batting coaches suggest trying to hit the ball up the middle. Brandon has done so nearly half the time. He's done so more than 10% more often than in any season in his career. His line drive percentage is 10% higher than in any season of his career.

Buster isn't hitting like 2012, but he's had a nice bounce back from a tough 2016 season.

[Rog]

I'm ticked because the Giants refuse to believe young players can help at the big league level.

I keep hearing that Arroyo isn't the answer.


Rog -- The Giants have given a LOT of young players a shot. I believe you thought Parker and/or Williamson could handle left field. The facts suggested they couldn't. Perhaps Williamson will become healthy and finally do so. Don't bet on it.

I haven't heard anyone say that Arroyo isn't the answer. Many think he in fact is. It would be nicer if he played left field.

Kelby Tomlinson had a decent season off the bench last year, not a very good one. His OPS was just .700. He's a decent fielder at second base, but he's not especially good elsewhere.

I didn't like the signing of Denard Span (although I trusted the Giants' judgment, which in this case was a mistake). But he's OK against right-handers (although he's slumping against them too now) but a wreck against southpaws. I think his fielding has improved since mid season of last year. I do think his days of good base stealing are behind him.

Conor Gillaspie is an average hitter who just can't hit southpaws. The guy's hitting .176 this season with a .426 OPS. Would you rather have him playing than Nunez? Seriously? Than Arroyo? Than Belt?




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[rxmeister]

I disagree with you on Gillaspie, Rog. I agree he shouldn't play against lefties, but against righties he should be in there. I'm surprised you're making your point with short sample sizes. Last year he got off to a slow start too, and my son started calling him a bum. I told him the guy can hit but his sporadic at bats were preventing him from getting into a groove. Then injuries struck and he started to play a lot more. My son now calls him Conor "The Hit Man" Gillaspie! They have absolutely got to get him in there against right handed pitching on a regular basis.

[klaiggeb]

Roger, you call it anything you want, but RIGHT NOW, Crawford looks clueless.

He does.

It's that complicated and that simple.

I've SEEN him in slumps... this is something else.

This LOOKS like his mind is elsewhere.

boly

[klaiggeb]

And as to Posey, Rog, he's hitting the softest .300+ I've seen in some time.

Not driving the ball.

Not squaring up many pitches.

How many doubles does he have?

How many HRs?

I won't even address his RBIs because you frequently discount them.

And I've seen almost every game he's played because when he was out, I was gone.

boly

[Rog]

This LOOKS like his mind is elsewhere.


Rog -- Given the recent death of his sister-in-law, you may be right on the money.

[Rog]

I disagree with you on Gillaspie, Rog. I agree he shouldn't play against lefties, but against righties he should be in there.


Rog -- You know when I disagree with you, Mark, I'm wrong! Seriously though (maybe I was serious before), we were talking about slightly different things.

I believe it was Boagie who first suggested a platoon of Conor and Kelby at third base, with Nunez moving to the outfield. I supported that, at least with regard to Conor. Over his career he's been an average hitter (.264/.733) against righties. Last season the average third baseman hit .266/.774 overall. I preferred that platoon to one of Parker and Williamson.

But the Giants are now doing what we wanted. Arroyo.



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[klaiggeb]

I only got to see some highlights, and the highlights were of Christian on defense. Which looked awfully good to me.

Soft, quick hands.

Accurate, fairly strong arm.




Can someone comment on his at bats?

Did he look over matched?

Was he "on" the pitches from Ryu?

Was he tardy on fastballs?

Did he make some solid contact?


I'd guess that Gillaspie will be at 3B tonight, and if I was him, and I WASN'T at 3B, I'd be in Bochy's office wanting to know why not.


Personally, I like a platoon of Gillaspie and Arroyo UNLESS:

1-Arroyo shows he can handle all types of pitching

2-Gillaspie stinks, which I think is unlikely.

My impression of Connor is that he's pretty darned good with around 300-350 at bats/year. But more than that is too much for a variety of reasons, some of which could be that those abs would also come vs LHP.

boly

[Rog]

You're right about the lack of extra base hits from Buster, Boly. But he has been hitting the ball hard, which was my point. His hard-hit ball is pretty close to his career average, and his line drives are up. I agree with you that he hasn't really been DRIVING the ball, but I'm not sure he's exactly that type of hitter now. Don has pointed to Buster's declining power, and while I don't know the cause, he's right.

I'll take the hitter Buster has been this season, or at least the results.

As an aside, the other day he turned a double into a single by not running hard on a bloop he hit down the left field line. He watched the ball instead of running. As you well know, I'm not too fond of that. Once you've hit the ball, you don't have any control over it. But you do have control over how fast you RUN.

Which does bring up one small thing in Buster's loss of (statistical) power. He's not getting any faster, which means he's less likely to stretch singles into doubles.

But overall, since 2012 he's somewhat consistently lost power. As you point out, this season it has thus far been well lower than ever though. But I've been liking his contact overall. I'm pretty sure at least some of the power will come back.

For perspective, his isolated power has gone from .213 in 2012 to .156 to .179 to .153 to .147 to .106 this season. That supports your concern about his power this season. My projection for his isolated power at the end of the season? .145. I'm not sure he'll ever again have the power he showed in 2012, but I think it will be significantly higher than his outlier .106 so far.

[Rog]

Mark brings up a point we've discussed or at least alluded to here. Can a hitter get his rhythm without playing regularly? Is a guy hitting so-so because he's playing infrequently, or is he playing infrequently because he's only a so-so hitter? Probably a little of both, but I think it's more the latter.

The key for a hitter is to hit well when given the chance. Christian Arroyo forced his way into the starting lineup. So did Buster Posey and Joe Panik.

I doubt many remember, but Joe Panik was on the verge of sharing time with Matt Duffy after Matt was called up. But after just a game or two of that developing, he started hitting like a banshee. He forced his way into the lineup.

Conor Gillaspie got to play fairly regularly in his first two seasons with the White Sox. His average was a little higher overall than his career average, but his OPS was actually a bit lower. Then he lost his job and was eventually traded for cash.

As long as Conor is protected from southpaws, he's a decent hitter. And it may be that he's even able to hit against southpaw flame throwers such as Aroldis Chapman. The worst type of pitcher for Conor to hit against is the soft-throwing southpaw. His OPS last season against southpaws was only .591, and his OPS against finesse pitchers was just .600.

When Conor pinch hits and isn't in a good position to be pinch hit for himself, the opposing manager should bring in a southpaw or a finesse pitcher to pitch to him. If it's a soft-throwing southpaw, ouch!

[Rog]

I'd guess that Gillaspie will be at 3B tonight, and if I was him, and I WASN'T at 3B, I'd be in Bochy's office wanting to know why not.


Personally, I like a platoon of Gillaspie and Arroyo UNLESS:

1-Arroyo shows he can handle all types of pitching

2-Gillaspie stinks, which I think is unlikely.


I'll be very surprised if Christian doesn't play tonight, although possibly it could be at shortstop. If he is playing third base and Conor came into the manager's office, I would simply tell him that I appreciate his contributions, which have been significant, and that Arroyo was brought up to see what he could do in extended play. Bruce might say something like, "This isn't a reflection on your play. You're still one of the guys we count on. But we're off to a slow start and have we've had a lot of injuries. I don't want to use them as an excuse, but we need a change, and the kid's been hitting over .400 for the River Cats. Let's give him a chance and see what he can do."

I doubt Conor is the type to storm the manager's office -- especially when he's hitting .158.


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[donk33]

why would Gillaspie expect to play against Kershaw??? That is why they brought Arroyo to the bigs....it hasn't been mentioned hers, but Arroyo had a big "Productive at bat" when he moved the runner to third, where he scored on a SF...big run....It is nice to see the Giants finally bring up someone who is in the midst of good hitting spell in the minors....they left Ellison down there and didn't play him when he finally came up....they left Lollis in the minors when he was hitting close to ..400 and called up several guys who were slumping...then when the frustrated Lollis whent into a slump, they called him up and shoved into a game against a tough left hander...he K'd and was sent right back to the minors...he has never been the same since....

[klaiggeb]

I hadn't known that Kershaw was pitching tonight, Don.

I don't read the papers, and since I didn't get the game, I just didn't know.

Therefore, if I'm Bochy, I throw the kid out there and see how he does.

I'm more worried about Stubbs.

I know he hits LHP better... but he makes such infrequent contact.

And I don't know why.

I was watching video of him and he has a nice, flat, compact swing.

He's a puzzlement to me.


boly

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