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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 19, 2017 9:53:27 GMT -5
I just don't get it.
I really don't.
Nunez ran a lot the first few games... then, nothing.
Last night, runners on 1st and 3rd, Hundley up, no one out, and a submariner with a SLOW delivery to the plate on the mound, and a BIG DP potential at the plate... and Nunez doesn't run.
What the...?
What good is speed if you don't use it?
To ME, not stealing was flat out stupid!
It was bad strategy.
IF he's thrown out, you've still got Hundley with a chance to hit a SF.
But no.
We played stationary baseball.
To ME, that's asinine, and it's infuriating to have a weapon and NOT use it.
It's the same as telling a power hitter to bunt with the bases loaded when you're down by 3.
I HATE passive play.
I flat out hate it!
Dumb.
Just dumb.
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 19, 2017 10:58:46 GMT -5
The answer is pretty simple, Boly, Salvador Perez is pretty good at throwing out runners. Stealing a base against a catcher that can throw out runners at a high percentage shouldn't be considered automatic, unless you can steal it off the pitcher. My guess is Nunez wasn't getting a good read on the pitcher's move.
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Post by Rog on Apr 19, 2017 12:10:45 GMT -5
Darn good explanation, Boagie. I do understand Boly's concern, but base stealers often steal them in bunches, just like home run hitters hit home runs like bananas. Last year's major league steals leader, Jonathan Villar, is one behind Eduardo with four steals -- and he stole three of them in one GAME!
Frankly, I wasn't expecting as many steals from Eduardo as he has provided. He's on pace for over 50 steals, more than 10 more than his career high of 40 last season. Eduardo has stolen at a much faster clip this season than he did when he came to the Giants last season.
Is this a case again of looking at only the half-full cup?
That said, I do understand Boly's concern. But steals often come in bunches. He knows that.
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Post by Rog on Apr 19, 2017 12:11:55 GMT -5
Boly is right that the situation provided the right time to steal. But Boagie may well be right as to the reasons Eduardo didn't try.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 19, 2017 15:33:21 GMT -5
Boagie, IF that submariner was quick to the plate, I'd agree.
But with his slow delivery, and as fast as Nunez is, you HAVE to give it a go.
As I said, the DP possibility with Hundley was too great to ignore and IF Nunez is caught, it's STILL a SF situation.
Not aggressive enough for me.
Not nearly.
You DON'T NOT run because the catcher can throw.
You just don't.
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 19, 2017 17:15:41 GMT -5
I don't necessarily disagree, Boly. I'm just telling you, in my opinion Salvador Perez was likely figured into the decision of NOT going. Whether you agree or not, catchers with good arms DO affect the running game.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 20, 2017 9:49:09 GMT -5
I know. And you're right, Boagie.
I just don't like the passive strategy.
Heck, as long as you've known me through posts, that's one of my constants: be aggressive!
boly
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Post by Rog on Apr 21, 2017 10:02:40 GMT -5
If Hundley does hit into a double play, the run still scores. As it turned out, Nunez did get to second when Joe Panik walked. The problem wasn't base stealing strategy. It was that with no outs, Hundley struck out, and with one out, Marrero did the same.
I do like your idea, Boly, but in a game where one run would have put the Giants ahead in a low-scoring game, if Nunez gets throw out, the Giants have only one chance to score the go-ahead run from third with an out. By not going, they retained both their chances. They simply couldn't put the ball into play.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 21, 2017 10:41:02 GMT -5
what you suggest is what the Giants did.
All I'm saying is I would not have played it that way UNLESS Nunez notified me he "couldn't" get a read.
boly
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