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Post by Rog on Jan 5, 2017 17:10:59 GMT -5
I keep seeing in multiple places that the Giants are or should be seeking to upgrade third base. My question is, isn't Eduardo Nunez pretty good there?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jan 8, 2017 11:55:13 GMT -5
I totally agree with you, Rog. I simply am stunned that so many want to see Nunez play elsewhere.
He's not a very good SS.
He proved OUTSTANDING at 3B last year.
I don't get it.
boly
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Post by donk33 on Jan 9, 2017 0:04:11 GMT -5
dk...in almost all ratings I have seen so far, the so called experts rate the Giants weak at third.....
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Post by Rog on Jan 10, 2017 0:45:59 GMT -5
Eduardo is a tough player to project. I will say that.
Offensively, he wasn't very good until last season, and even then he built up most of his stats during the first half. He steals a ton of bases, but last season Joe Panik was rated slightly the better base runner.
Defensively, Eduardo hadn't played well at any position until somehow Ron Wotus helped turn him into a very good third baseman. I don't think he is as good defensively as Boly does, but I do think he's good to very good now. Just not very good to excellent. Or at least not excellent. I think he makes some plays look a little harder than they truly are.
But I have no doubt he's good. I looked it up, and I believe after his first four or so games with the Giants, he didn't make a single error the rest of the way. And he did indeed make a lot of spectacular plays. I simply think that he made some of those look more spectacular than they truly were.
But Eduardo's tough to project, and perhaps that's why the question has come up. Personally I'm happy with Eduardo at third and think he could become the Giants' best defensive center fielder if given that chance. Not sure about that last point, but with his speed, athleticism and arm, I think he could become a plus center fielder. And I consider Denard to be a slight minus defensively in center.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jan 10, 2017 11:02:12 GMT -5
Most of Nunez' problems are not with his glove, but rather his throws.
He has that goofy, under armed, 3/4 throw that I don't like.
But he has softish hands, and great range.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jan 10, 2017 16:24:05 GMT -5
The good news is that with the Giants, Eduardo had only one error per 46 assists at third base last season. That compares, for instance, with Conor Gillaspie's one error every 25 assists over his career. Eduardo made both his errors in his first four games or so with the Giants. After that, he didn't err with either his glove or his arm.
He does have a funny throwing motion. But he was reasonably effective with it last season, and it does sometimes allow him to get rid of the ball more quickly.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jan 11, 2017 10:50:56 GMT -5
Rog, I'm not going to argue this point.
But here are some facts about throwing.
1-When throwing side arm or 3/4, the ball sails, runs and/or sinks.
2-The more submarine the throw, the more action on the ball and the less control because it moves so much.
I believe in what Brooks Robinson taught about HOW to avoid a 3Bman's most frequent problem; throwing errors.
1-Don't half ass the throw
2-Don't over think the throw
3-Set up, and throw it hard.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jan 11, 2017 15:08:14 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said here, Boly. If Eduardo ever does move to the outfield, he'll need to begin to throw overhanded, and that is indeed the most accurate way to throw.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jan 12, 2017 10:30:37 GMT -5
I've seen him throw over hand, and do so accurately.
thing is, in my experience and opinion players throw like he does because they get lazy
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