Well... one question answered...sort of

[klaiggeb]

Well, awhile back I asked the question, "how many saves DO you have to blow to be removed as closer.

Well... we sort 'a got an answer; 8.

Sort 'a.

We all call Bochy lots of things. At least I do.

Great at handling people.

Outstanding manager of the bullpen...

Blah, blah, blah...

Well, now I'll add one more: Stubborn.

Knowing Casilla is not doing well, Knowing he DOESN'T pitch Lamb well... he stayed with Casilla... only to have our fireSTARTER blow another save.

Nice going, Bruce.

You know, it's one thing to show confidence in a guy... to let him know you're behind him.

But you went too far with Santiago weeks ago, and you really crossed the line last night.

You "say" you think we still have a chance... but your actions say other wise.

What you showed me last night were the actions of a stubborn child refusing to make a change.

And the team almost paid for it.

Losing to the WORST bullpen in baseball would have been even more humiliating than this 2nd half has been already.

You got lucky.

Don't count on that luck again.

boly

[Rog]

Knowing Casilla is not doing well, Knowing he DOESN'T pitch Lamb well... he stayed with Casilla... only to have our fireSTARTER blow another save.


Rog -- I too would have removed Casilla when Lamb came up. And I would have done it as the Giants did in the 12th with Gearrin. Bring Lopez in to replace Casilla and move Santiago to left field. Simple matter then to move Casilla back to the mound after Lamb to face the right-handed hitters.

Would have been a bold move, of course, but one I have been recommending for decades -- and a move the Giants finally made in the 12th inning.

So why did Bruce leave Casilla in to pitch to Lamb, when Jacob was the dangerous (pinch) hitter of the inning? He likely was trying to rebuild Santiago's confidence. But if he truly wanted to do so and be more conservative than having a pitcher in left field, why not bring in Nathan to start the 10th, then bring in Lopez to face Lamb, followed by Casilla to end the inning? That would have given Casilla the chance for the save without his having to face the dangerous lefty hitter Lamb and perhaps facing as few as one hitter.

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[klaiggeb]

Rog, I totally agree with you, and THAT is pretty much what I said in my email.

But that said, this is NOT the time of the year when a manager can afford to do that.

Also, no way on God's green earth I move Santiago to LF as he did Gearrin.

Gearrin is a much, MUCH better athlete, and Casilla simply does not move that well, nor have I really ever seen many natural baseball fielding instincts from him.

I thought the better play was Lopez to face Lamb, and mix and match the best you could from there.

boly

[Rog]

Also, no way on God's green earth I move Santiago to LF as he did Gearrin.

Gearrin is a much, MUCH better athlete, and Casilla simply does not move that well


Rog -- The idea in moving a pitcher to the outfield or other position is to put them in the place where the ball is least likely to be hit. If the hitter hits the ball there, you're simply hoping the pitcher won't embarrass himself too much.




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[donk33]

Sept 12, 2016 22:38:33 GMT -5 Rog said:

Also, no way on God's green earth I move Santiago to LF as he did Gearrin.

Gearrin is a much, MUCH better athlete, and Casilla simply does not move that well


Rog -- The idea in moving a pitcher to the outfield or other position is to put them in the place where the ball is least likely to be hit. If the hitter hits the ball there, you're simply hoping the pitcher won't embarrass himself too much.

dk...ah, for the days when the pitchers used to chase fungos during batting practice. This gives you a better idea as to who could field fly balls...

aside...the funniest shifting of players around during a ball game was with Joe Amalfitano during his first game in the bigs...he came to the Giants as a bonus boy out of high school...he got off the plane and joined the Giants in the middle of a game. the Giants ran out of players when the game went into extra innings and in came Joe....with a right handed batter up, Joe played second...left hander..he switched to third...back and forth he went until the game ended...the Giants did their best to keep Joe away from the ball....and I can't remember if they did...but it was fun to hear(no TV)..