Your're our last hope, Obi-Wan...Pittsburgh

[klaiggeb]

I was actually foolish enough to think we could sweep, or at least take 2 of 3 from Arizona, figuring we would clobber Rubby.

Yeah. That worked out well.

I was actually foolish enough to think Obi-Wan Pittsburgh could actually beat Greinke, or take 2 of 3 from LA.

Yeah. That started out well.

I was actually foolish enough to think our bats would stay hot on this home stand.

Yeah, that worked out well.

I was foolish enough to believe we could use this weekend to close the gap the 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 games behind, and actually still have a chance.

Yeah. That's working out well.

I think I'll just leave it at the first part... I was foolish, because that pretty well sums it up.

A very disappointed, but not surprised,

old boly

[sfgdood]

just accept the inevitable, old Boly...I have. I figure if something completely crazy and unlikely happens it will be a pleasant surprise. But at this point it's got to now be more than crazy...it'll take a MONUMENTAL collapse of the entire Dodgers team, including Greinke and Kershaw.

[klaiggeb]

I agree.

Problem is, I'm not sure I can do that; just 'accept' the inevitable... which I knew was going to happen back in February.

I'm kind of like Captain Kirk: I don't believe in a no win scenario.

boly

[sfgdood]

well, in that case, I'd stock up on Tums and pepcid

[klaiggeb]

After watching the pitching debacle of today, I think I've seen the light.

What a frickin' joke.

I'm sure Roger and others are going to argue that it just "looked" worse than it was, but from where I sit... Leake's effort wasn't much of an effort at all.

From where I sat, his heart didn't really look like it was in it.

boly

[sfgdood]

They were all saying the right things but after losing last night with Bum on the hill, they pretty much know it's over now

[Rog]

I haven't seen the game yet, so I don't know what I saw. You'll appreciate this, Boly. I spent 13 hours yesterday driving my friend with Parkinsons Disease to our church so he could see what it was like.

But here is a question I have to ask. You said that Mike didn't look like his heart was in his pitching, but why wouldn't it be? The Giants are close to dead, but the equipment hasn't flat-lined quite yet. There chance going into yesterday's game was very, very slim, but it hasn't flickered out completely.

But let's suppose Mike doesn't CARE about his team (although I have no reason to believe that). Every outing he makes now could be worth a million or more dollars when he becomes a free agent in two months. So why WOULDN'T his heart be in the game, even if he were being selfish?

If he in fact did lose heart, did he lose the game because he'd lost heart -- or did he lose heart because he was pitching so poorly?

[klaiggeb]

I'm not saying, or even implying that 'he didn't care.'

I said, and I still believe, his heart wasn't in it.

By that I mean I think he was 'seeingthe writing onthe wall; that no matter what he did, it wouldn't be enough.

Thus, he wasn't as focused on the game as he should have been.

I've seen it before. I just didn't expect tht from Leake.

boly

[klaiggeb]

Put another way, Rog, I EXPECTED to see him pitching as though his pants were on fire; as though his very LIFE depended upon it.

Like Peavy did.

But he didn't

boly

[Rog]

Once again I'll ask the question, did Leake look lackadaisical because he was pitching poorly, or did he pitch poorly because he was lackadaisical? I don't think we know the answer to that one. I guess what I should ask is, if we do know the answer, HOW do we know it?

[klaiggeb]

How do we know?

All I know is what I SAW from him this outting, and what I've SEEN from him the other 12 times I've seen him pitch

Do we know for sure, no.

But I Know what I saw, and I know pitching.

You see it your way, I see it mine.

boly

[Rog]

I don't necessarily disagree with you, Boly. I'm simply asking how you -- or we -- know.

[rxmeister]

I read something written by Matt Duffy which talked about the professionalism of Buster Posey. He said Posey came back to the dugout the same whether he struck out or hit a home run, and it impressed upon the rookie the way a major leaguer is supposed to act at all times. I know fans like their players to be emotional, like breaking their bat when they strike out, or yelling at hitters like Bumgarner does, but different strokes for different folks as they used to say. The players who look the same whether they're winning or losing look professional when they're winning, or uncaring when they're losing. It doesn't mean that someone like Leake isn't burning up inside when things go wrong, it's just the way he is.

[klaiggeb]

Your point is well taken, Mark, and concerning Leake, could very well be true.

Not everyone is like Peavy, Hunter, or Madison.

And to be clear, I would NOT want a team filled with guys like that... but I DO want one or three.


And to be honest, I just read that Leake was/is dealing with some elbow stiffness, so I probably have to retract my statement that his heart wasn't in it.


What ticked me off, and I mean TICKED ME OFF about that outting was that he had been, and has been so consistant in getting the ball down

And against AZ, his suckage was off the charts.


I do NOT trust professional athletes to leave it all out on the field. I've seen too many cases where they just phone it in.

Some do leave it on the field, and NEVER take an at bat, or pitch off.

Will Clark comes to mind from the past.

With this group, Duffy, Posey, Pence, just to name 3 never, IMHO, half ass it.



Others, as was written a LOT about Kevin Mitchell, frequently had to be "talked into playing" during the season.

I remember when Mitch was with us and the players constantly reporting that often, Kevin did NOT want to play... but Mays pestered him in to playing so he did.

boly