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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 26, 2015 18:04:10 GMT -5
And now Crawford's down.
How many more indicators do we need about how this season is likely to turn out?
Cain, Pence, Pence, Pagan, Pence, Panik, Affeldt, Crawford....
With what we're throwing out there tonight, I'm not sure we could be a college team.
boly
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 26, 2015 21:54:38 GMT -5
You left out Aoki, Lincecum, Susac, Hudson and Aoki
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 27, 2015 1:53:29 GMT -5
After the Cubs opened up an 8-0 on Tuesday night I saw signs. Crawford's at-bat in an 8-1 game was a BIG sign that they aren't going to roll over. Crawford ended up striking out, but since that at-bat I've seen a different team, at the plate and on the mound.
Thank god the Giants don't have the same mindset as the posts I've been seeing here. Duffy wasn't sniveling when he rolled his ankle. He walked it off, stole second then tagged up and moved to third on a fly ball. You want signs? That's a sign. A sign that you should never count these guys out. Some of you did before the season even started, you were wrong. Some of you are now, and you'll be wrong again.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 27, 2015 2:44:36 GMT -5
My initial feeling before the season was the FO didn't build up the roster enough to avoid a similar fate to the odd numbered year seasons recently. As of now we are on the outside looking in. Pence and Panik are hurt and not real close to coming back. Cain is getting lit up pretty regularly. Heston is taking "me" time. Blanco, Crawford and Duffy are banged up. Can things change? Certainly...but the signs as Boly says, are not looking good.
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2015 7:56:01 GMT -5
Love the way Peavy battled last night, and the bullpen was tremendous. What a difference a day makes! And our best hitter and pitcher going today.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 27, 2015 9:37:04 GMT -5
Agree, Mark. That's what I love about Peavy and Pence; As Bochy says; "They leave it all out on the field."
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 28, 2015 7:20:14 GMT -5
And Bum, Byrd and Kelby put on a show yesterday and suddenly the Cubs don't look so unbeatable. Haven't checked their schedule, but being in the toughest division makes me think they're catchable in September.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 28, 2015 8:58:28 GMT -5
And I still contend they got hot too soon.
Add that to their young age... I just don't see them there when the final bell rings.
And as to their line up... frankly, I'm not impressed.
I'll give them Rizzo, and Bryant... but it stops there.
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 28, 2015 10:49:08 GMT -5
If by "final bell" you mean the World Series, I agree. If you mean the post season, I disagree. They'd have to collapse pretty hard to miss out on the wild card. Even if the Giants get hot, it's much more likely they win the division at this point, rather than a wild card spot.
I agree they're too young and inexperienced to get through the post season. The Cardinals are too strong, the only team that can beat them are the Giants.
I don't think its a bold prediction to say the World Series will come down to two likely matchups, the Royals and the Cardinals, or the Royals and the Giants.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 28, 2015 12:13:58 GMT -5
The Cubs cannot be caught unless they pull yet another monumental choke like past Cubs teams have been famous for...but I don't see that happening. IMO, the Giants will NOT be a WC team. Catching the Dodgers for the Division is a lot more doable but the injuries are piling up and Bum cannot pitch EVERY day.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 28, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -5
Boagie:
By final bell, I mean, the end of the season.
I do not see them getting into the post season, and I've stated why many times.
Personally, I think we have a decent chance of beating LA, and winning the division, with LA getting the other Wild Card.
Why?
1stly, We SHOULD be getting healthy, and THAT changes the line up. Put back in Pence and Panik and EVERYTHING changes. (assuming of course, that Crawford returns at full strength)
2ndly, They are starting to get dinged. The injury, or rather, repeat injury to Puig will have an impact.
3rdly, the Dodgers just do not play well as a team; ie. lack of chemistry.
4thly, their bullpen, or lack there of, is going to eat them alive
5th-The culture the Giants have grown. They're badly banged up right now, and are, for the most part, still playing everyone tough.
We have huge holes... but guys ARE, generally, stepping up. Every interview I see with Tomlinson or Byrd, what they talk about is the camaraderie and the culture in the clubhouse. They EXPECT to win, and know how to win.
Good enough to win a World Series?
I'd say the chances are incredibly slim.
But as Jim Carey said in Dumb and Dumber: "So there's still a chance...!"
and let's be honest, Tomlinson has been just this side of outstanding with the bat, and I LIKE his improved defense.
He ain't Joe Panik, but as a back up, he works!
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 28, 2015 14:16:22 GMT -5
With all due respect your scenario of the Giants winning the west and the Dodgers winning the second wild card is very unlikely. That could really only happen under two circumstances. Either the Giants get red hot and stay red hot for the rest of the season, or the Cubs collapse.
The Cubs are 20 games over .500, them collapsing isn't likely. It's possible, but not likely.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 28, 2015 14:34:05 GMT -5
I'm with Boagie...the Cubs wouldn't need to just fold, they would need to collapse...like in EPIC fashion. I'm talking like 7-23ish.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 28, 2015 15:30:02 GMT -5
I say they're going to come back to earth via a short losing streak and miss out on the playoffs.
Just my opinion.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 28, 2015 16:57:15 GMT -5
a short back to earth wont do it...it will take a major choke at this point with their large lead this late in the season
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 28, 2015 19:51:40 GMT -5
They certainly have the pitching to prevent it, that's for sure.
But I am NOT sold on their offense.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 1, 2015 8:21:58 GMT -5
My initial feeling before the season was the FO didn't build up the roster enough to avoid a similar fate to the odd numbered year seasons recently. Rog -- If the Giants hadn't been racked by injuries, that likely wouldn't have been the case. Heck, while the road has suddenly steepened, they're still alive. All they have to do to get it started is beat Greinke and Kershaw! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3009/more-signs#ixzz3kUcHsXZb |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 1, 2015 14:58:05 GMT -5
But if we had the pitching like we had in 2010, or 2012... the injuries wouldn't have hurt so much.
I mean seriously, we ARE scoring runs...and the pitching we USED TO HAVE used to make a few runs stand up.
But this mish-mash?
We're simply not good enough to over come the owies.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 4, 2015 14:06:46 GMT -5
They certainly have the pitching to prevent it, that's for sure. But I am NOT sold on their offense. Rog -- I'm curious as to why not. At catcher they've got a solid veteran in Miguel Montero (14 home runs and a .758 OPS) plus one of the league's top rookies in Kyle Schwarber (41 runs and 38 RBI's in 48 games). Schwarber is playing at a 40/120/110 clip! Their first baseman, Mike Rizzo, is one RBI behind Buster Posey and could be a 30/20 home run and steals. Surrounding the keystone, Addison Russell (.684 OPS) and Starlin Castro (.600 OPS) have been big disappointments. Third baseman Kris Bryant has four more RBI's than Buster Posey even though Bryant wasn't called up until April 17th. Despite the late call up, he'll probably reach 100 RBI's. The outfield is manned by Schwarber, Chris Coghlin (.774 OPS), Dexter Fowler (.778 and a possible 20/20 season) and the injured Jorge Soler (.710 OPS). When Soler returns, Coghlin will likely play a lot of second base. The Cubs rank only #10 in runs scored, but they scored 141 runs in August after Schwarber was called up. With the players that the Giants and Cubs have healthy now, I would rank the Cubs' offense clearly ahead of the Giants'. This is overstating things slightly, but this season Bryant and Schwarber haven't been all that far off the 1958 and 1959 Rookie of the Year seasons of Cepeda and McCovey. Cepeda and McCovey hit for much better average. Bryant and Schwarber will drive in and score more runs. We can argue that runs and RBI's are based in part on team stats, but doesn't that then argue ON BEHALF of the Cubs' offense? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3009/more-signs#ixzz3knU6qTpj |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 4, 2015 14:12:35 GMT -5
Rizzo is the ONLY proven hitter.
The rest? Just guys.
Schwarber? Who knows? Still a rookie.
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Post by Rog on Sept 9, 2015 13:16:46 GMT -5
Rizzo is the ONLY proven hitter. The rest? Just guys. Schwarber? Who knows? Still a rookie. Rog -- Kris Bryant isn't just a guy. If the Giants had him to play the outfield as he is now doing with the Cubs, they'd still be in it. Despite missing the first half month of the season, he's played at a 4.2 WAR. Bryant is tied for 6th in the league in RBI's, one behind Rizzo. Since Bryant was called up, he has more RBI's than the Cubs' "only proven hitter." Rizzo is a better hitter than Bryant, but a year or two from now that may not be the case. But we're not talking about a year or two down the road. We're talking about when the Cubs swept the Giants. Schwarber has slumped and been injured since then, but when the Giants played the Cubs, Schwarber had arguably been the league's best hitter during his time in the majors. The threesome have each hit in the overall range of Buster Posey. Rizzo and Bryant have more RBI's than Buster. Rizzo and Schwarber have higher OPS. And the three have combined to hit into the same 16 DP's as Buster has alone. When you get up into Buster territory, as this threesome has, you're pretty good. I'm not certain of this, but I believe Bryant and Schwarber have been the best rookie hitters in what is being called "The Year of the Rookie." Schwarber has done so for only a third of a season, but he's been exceptional during that time. Despite his recent slump,in 164 at bats he has a combined 79 runs and RBI's. That's a run or RBI every 1.8 at bats. Buster is hitting for the 2nd-highest batting average of his career, and he has a run or RBI every 3.3 at bats. Among full-season players, Bryce Harper is the National League leader with a run or RBI every 2.4 at bats. In other words, during his third of a season, Schwarber has clearly been the best at scoring or driving in runs in the National League. In fact, he's easily been the best in the majors. Rizzo may be the Cubs' only proven hitter, but if the Giants had Bryant and Schwarber, they might well be in first place and have the best future of any team in baseball. Bryant is 23, and Schwarber is 22. And while neither is yet proven over a full season, in the words of Duane Kuiper, "Then can hit!" Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3009/more-signs#ixzz3lGUVk7Wr |
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Post by Rog on Sept 9, 2015 13:17:43 GMT -5
They, not then, can hit. But they can hit then, or now, or just getting out of bed.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 9, 2015 16:18:35 GMT -5
I'll give you Bryant, Rog... but he's a rookie.
Schwarber? How many points did HE lose off of his AVE when they figured him out?
Bryant and Rizzo.
Then, just a bunch of guys.
sorry, I still feel that way.
They're winning mostly because their pitching keeps them in the games.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 10, 2015 9:57:09 GMT -5
For those who wanted the Giants to sign Jon Lester, he has allowed 42 stolen bases this season -- in 50 attempts. Still, he's had a decent season. But not as good as expected.
Perhaps in part because of all those stolen bases. He'll almost certainly work on that and improve significantly over the winter. He had allowed just 41 steals over the past three seasons.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2015 16:50:59 GMT -5
How many stolen bases did Robb Nen allow?
A ton.
Lester is afraid to throw to 1B.
Still, I'll take him over everyone we have NOT named Madison.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 10, 2015 23:51:13 GMT -5
It was posted above that the Cubs were 20 games above .500. Entering today, they were 22 games above. Apparently they didn't collapse.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 11, 2015 9:48:03 GMT -5
I agree.
So stuff my with strawberry jam, powder my fanny and call me a jelly doughnut.
I was wrong.
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