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Byrd II
Aug 29, 2015 1:42:18 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 29, 2015 1:42:18 GMT -5
Rog, I'm sure you're right that pitch and inning count is important to young arms, but that's because that's the way they're developed.
In the minors they coddle them, then when they are stud pitchers in the majors they are required to pitch 170-200 innings. They just aren't being seasoned to pitch that many innings, thus all the arms blowing out. Sorry, under no circumstances does that make sense.
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Byrd II
Aug 29, 2015 10:28:27 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Aug 29, 2015 10:28:27 GMT -5
I'm with you, Boagie.
I think it was Mark who said it best: "You don't train for a marathon by running sprints."
boly
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sfgdood
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Byrd II
Aug 29, 2015 13:41:05 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Aug 29, 2015 13:41:05 GMT -5
while that may be true, I don't believe marathon runners train by running 26 miles every day
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Byrd II
Aug 29, 2015 18:03:12 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Aug 29, 2015 18:03:12 GMT -5
That's true. But I can tell you how our Cross Country team trains, Randy, and it ISN'T by running sprints.
They run a couple of miles.
boly
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Byrd II
Sept 4, 2015 11:35:13 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Sept 4, 2015 11:35:13 GMT -5
I don't think anyone truly knows about how to treat young arms, and it may well vary from arm to arm. I recommend the book "Saving the Pitcher" by Will Carroll, although the book is now 11 years old and wouldn't include the very latest. The more I ready though, the more I realize no one has all the answers.
But they're learning. Hopefully the pace of advances will escalate.
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Byrd II
Sept 4, 2015 16:39:44 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 4, 2015 16:39:44 GMT -5
I agree, Rog, no one has all the answers.
But then, that's not the quesiton.
I see it this way; NOT using a muscle group atophies the muscle group.
Want to get stronger and better, use it more.
I then, agree with Mike Marshall: Pitch more, not less.
boly
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Byrd II
Sept 9, 2015 15:08:02 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Sept 9, 2015 15:08:02 GMT -5
I see it this way; NOT using a muscle group atophies the muscle group. Want to get stronger and better, use it more. Rog -- When one reads that, it makes great sense. So does this: Overusing a muscle group can injure the muscle group. Want to stay healthy? Use it less. That's why I say that no one has all the answers, and the solution is likely different from pitcher to pitcher. Here are a couple of truths: . Throwing less puts less strain on the pitching muscles, joints, tendons and ligaments. . Throwing less allows a pitcher to be more effective, since he doesn't have to strain himself as much. Thus, we're seeing pitchers pitch in shorter stints, and pitching has never been better. Vida Blue was discussing umpiring the other day. He said that even 10 years ago, pitches didn't move like they move today. Vida was talking about umpiring, but his comment shed a lot of light on pitches and pitching. Even 10 years ago, pitchers didn't throw as hard as they do now. Faster pitches with more movement are almost certainly harder to hit. Bigger, faster, stronger, better conditioned, better diet, better coaching and shorter stints have led to that. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/3006/byrd-ii?page=2#ixzz3lH0YguUE
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Byrd II
Sept 9, 2015 15:34:30 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Sept 9, 2015 15:34:30 GMT -5
This is one of the first things I came across when I put "Training for Distance Running" into my computer.
Famed running coach Arthur Lydiard once said, "If you want to be a successful runner, you have to consider everything. It's no good just thinking about endurance and not to develop fine speed."
I believe the best distance runners do a combination of endurance and speed work. My personal thought about pitching -- and it's not a particularly informed opinion -- is that long tossing pretty much every day is a good idea. As to how long a pitcher should pitch in his short spurts (of a game or a season) is I think a question with a lot of different opinions.
On a somewhat related topic, I have stated that I didn't think relievers should pitch more than two days in a row and should pitch at least once every three days if possible. I think the best recipe for a reliever would be to pitch every other day.
With regard to how much a pitcher pitches, how many pitchers end a season rusty as opposed to how many end a seasons tired?
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