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Apr 16, 2015 0:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 16, 2015 0:57:46 GMT -5
I'm tired of watching this crap. I usually defend Sanchez, but him swinging at first pitches is pure stupidity. Perhaps he got hit in the head one too many times.
Even though Randy has created a love affair with Maxwell, and doesn't put any importance in Perez's one at-bat, I don't have faith in Maxwell, and the one at-bat he had tonight in the 8th would seal the deal on his walking papers for me. Swinging at a fastball 3 feet off the plate, really? He's a joke, but he's not alone. Just about the entire team is shitting the bed right now. The only position players that get a pass are Aoki, Pagan and Duffy.
I'm with you on one thing, Randy, Duffy should be in AAA, at least then he could play with a decent team.
As for our broadcast team...Arenado or however the f*ck you spell his name, hit a good pitch from Lincecum. That was a breaking pitch well below the knees. Kruk and Kuip acted like it was a hanger. Then Pagan singles off a similar pitch and they hail him as the second coming of Ted Williams. I can't listen to them anymore, especially Krukow.
Oh, before I muted the T.V., that obnoxious wench came on the broadcast and has some fantastic news about Cain which I was so excited to hear! Matt Cain is about a week away from picking up a baseball! I'd be more excited if I didn't hear this same report close to a week ago...is time standing still in Giants land, or are they just trying to pull the wool over our eyes yet again? Unfortunately she didn't have any word on Freddy Sanchez or Scutaro's rehab, I'm hoping they'll join the team the same time Cain does, sometime in mid-never.
Maybe when Cain retires, he can replace Krukow, so I can take my T.V. off mute.
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Post by sfgdood on Apr 16, 2015 1:18:20 GMT -5
Who said I have a love affair with Maxwell? He's a scrap heap project who never has done great in the big leagues. But he has done better than Perez, and he has pop (Perez doesn't).
I was happy for Duffy's HR...but his other ABs show he does in fact have some things to learn...too anxious, especially in the 1st inning.
Lincecum himself called it a bad pitch. But just as much as the location--according to Tim--it was the fact that it was a third straight breaking ball. Arenado had it timed. In that situation, only a bouncer would have been good location. I do agree though that the excuses by K&K are getting old.
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Post by rxmeister on Apr 16, 2015 7:39:34 GMT -5
It wasn't a terrible pitch at most times, but it was an 0-2 pitch, and in that situation it was way too good. Remember when everyone argued with me when I said Hector Sanchez was terrible? Welcome to the club! Tim's desire to throw to only Hector borders on the insane. Let's take one of our top two hitters out of the lineup to make Timmy happy. I would take Lincecum out of the rotation when Cain returns because his rotation spot doesn't allow us to field our best lineup. As for Maxwell, he's a scrap heap player, but if rather see him up there than half the team right now. How sad is that?
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Apr 16, 2015 10:52:30 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 16, 2015 10:52:30 GMT -5
I hate the idea of wasting pitches, but he probably should have bounced it. It still wasn't in the strike zone, and it had good movement, so I think you have to give credit to Arenado there. I'm fairly certain any of our hitters wouldn't have squared up that pitch, of course, most of them would have trouble squaring up a beach ball on a tee right now.
As for Sanchez and Lincecum, I don't know how it's still assumed that Tim is the one who wants Hector to catch. Bochy has stated that it was a decision he made, not Tim.
That said, after I've calmed down from my rant...our pitchers look pretty good, other than the homerun to Arenado, Lincecum looked good. Even Kontos looks solid right now. That's something to be hopeful about, I guess.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 16, 2015 13:01:02 GMT -5
You're echoing my thoughts on Sanchez, boagie. I said from the begging I didn't like his swing.
It's a beer-ball, softball swing.
Lincecum's 0-2 pitch wasn't a terrible pitch, but, as Krukow said, it caught toooo much of the strikezone. No to mention that Nolan is a low ball hitter.
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Apr 16, 2015 13:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 16, 2015 13:36:25 GMT -5
Randy- I was happy for Duffy's HR...but his other ABs show he does in fact have some things to learn...too anxious, especially in the 1st inning.
Boagie- I meant to touch on this during my previous post but forgot. In the first inning Duffy worked the count to 3-2 and swung through a pitch over the plate. I don't think that's being anxious. Perhaps he does have more to learn in AAA, but I don't think patience is something he needs to work on.
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Post by sfgdood on Apr 16, 2015 13:47:28 GMT -5
Ahh but at the beginning of that inning, the pitcher hit Aoki in the back and Duffy began his PA by swinging wildly when A) the pitcher was clearly wild and/or nervous; and B) the lineup needed him to get a read on what the pitcher was featuring. Duffy helped him out by swinging at the first two pitches, the first of which was WAY out of the zone. Hey I like him but he's young and obviously still learning now.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 16, 2015 14:06:05 GMT -5
Yeah, that was an awful at bat by Duffy, Randy. I totally agree.
It does show that he has a LOT still to learn.
Still, I like the kid a lot.
Starter? Not likely, but he could be a super utility guy.
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Post by Rog on Apr 16, 2015 20:55:45 GMT -5
Boagie -- I don't have faith in Maxwell, and the one at-bat he had tonight in the 8th would seal the deal on his walking papers for me. Rog -- I was the one who said Justin was a marginal major leaguer. But he's played plenty well enough to remain on the roster for now. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2798/screw#ixzz3XWlfV868 |
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Post by Rog on Apr 16, 2015 20:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by Rog on Apr 16, 2015 21:01:56 GMT -5
Boagie -- I hate the idea of wasting pitches, but he probably should have bounced it. Rog -- With first base open, he could have bounced four in a row. It's ironic, isn't it, that Don complains about Buster Posey's calling for high fastballs with 0-2 counts? Buster is trying to change the sight line, possibly inducing a flail at an unhittable pitch. At the worst, if it is reasonably accurately thrown, it sets up another low pitch. That certainly couldn't have worked out worse, could it? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2798/screw?page=1#ixzz3XWmgkfsW |
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Post by Rog on Apr 16, 2015 21:11:02 GMT -5
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Apr 17, 2015 2:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 17, 2015 2:37:13 GMT -5
On the Lincecum-Sanchez battery, Bochy said, “It kind of worked out that way. It’s gotten to the point where (Sanchez) has been catching him a lot, and I might just keep it that way. It wasn’t something planned. But the way it’s worked out, the two have been together now for a few starts. Hector’s going to get some starts, so why not keep him with the same guy?”
One more thing: “Timmy’s a little rough on the catcher, there’s no getting around it. He beats him up pretty good some games.”
On whether Lincecum has preferred either catcher, Bochy said, “He’s never said anything, who he’s comfortable with. Whoever’s catching him, he’s fine with, Buster and Hector. No, that’s not part of it at all. This is more how it worked out.”
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Post by Rog on Apr 17, 2015 11:02:52 GMT -5
Boagie -- On the Lincecum-Sanchez battery, Bochy said, “It kind of worked out that way. It’s gotten to the point where (Sanchez) has been catching him a lot, and I might just keep it that way. It wasn’t something planned. But the way it’s worked out, the two have been together now for a few starts. Hector’s going to get some starts, so why not keep him with the same guy?” One more thing: “Timmy’s a little rough on the catcher, there’s no getting around it. He beats him up pretty good some games.” On whether Lincecum has preferred either catcher, Bochy said, “He’s never said anything, who he’s comfortable with. Whoever’s catching him, he’s fine with, Buster and Hector. No, that’s not part of it at all. This is more how it worked out.” Rog -- That's outstanding backup for your point, Boagie, and I greatly respect it. Let me just say that Tim is happy with the way things worked out. The one thing I like about Hector's catching Tim is that Hector seems to take charge more emotionally. I don't think Hector is as good mentally as Buster, but I think Tim's emotional "feel" approach may be somewhat in conflict with Buster's more analytical approach. Don was the first one to talk about how Tim preferred Hector, and back then I challenged his idea. With what I know now, I think he was right. This is an area in which I'm fairly confident but not certain about the situation. For the reasons Bruce mentioned, I think it has worked out for the better. Then again, I wonder if Tim would have thrown a different two-strike pitch to Arenado Wednesday night if Buster had been catching. The other pitchers seem for the most part to prefer Buster. If Tim prefers Hector, that's probably the best time to rest Buster. Over time, I'd like to see Buster learn third base and for Brandon Belt to learn left field better, so they could be in the lineup together more often even when Hector catches. Boagie's idea of having Andrew Susac learn third base along with Buster seems to make all kinds of sense. I agree with Boly though that Andrew may well not be able to play the position. One thing I will say is that if Susac and Posey shared the hot corner, I'd be looking to bunt a fair amount if I were the opposition. And if I were the Giants, I'd want a defensive replacement (Matt Duffy?) ready. In that scenario, Matt might also want to learn to catch for emergencies. Or the Giants could simply bring back Pedro Feliz! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2798/screw#ixzz3XaA4fnDH |
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Apr 17, 2015 13:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 17, 2015 13:46:34 GMT -5
The idea that Tim ever suggested he prefers Hector over Buster is a fictional idea, orchestrated by the Timmy and/or Buster haters. There was never ANY evidence of it being true. Bochy, Timmy, and Buster have ALWAYS maintained that there is zero favoritism of one or the other. If you still believe in this "conspiracy theory" even after reading all the quotes, I have to wonder about your sanity.
Do we forget that Buster caught Tim in the 2010 post-season? Do we forget he caught one of his no-hitters?
I'm sorry, I know you guys like to think the Giants clubhouse is tabloid worthy, but reality needs to set in on this topic eventually.
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Post by donk33 on Apr 17, 2015 14:08:18 GMT -5
Boagie -- On the Lincecum-Sanchez battery, Bochy said, “It kind of worked out that way. It’s gotten to the point where (Sanchez) has been catching him a lot, and I might just keep it that way. It wasn’t something planned. But the way it’s worked out, the two have been together now for a few starts. Hector’s going to get some starts, so why not keep him with the same guy?” One more thing: “Timmy’s a little rough on the catcher, there’s no getting around it. He beats him up pretty good some games.” On whether Lincecum has preferred either catcher, Bochy said, “He’s never said anything, who he’s comfortable with. Whoever’s catching him, he’s fine with, Buster and Hector. No, that’s not part of it at all. This is more how it worked out.” Rog -- That's outstanding backup for your point, Boagie, and I greatly respect it. Let me just say that Tim is happy with the way things worked out. The one thing I like about Hector's catching Tim is that Hector seems to take charge more emotionally. I don't think Hector is as good mentally as Buster, but I think Tim's emotional "feel" approach may be somewhat in conflict with Buster's more analytical approach. Don was the first one to talk about how Tim preferred Hector, and back then I challenged his idea. With what I know now, I think he was right. This is an area in which I'm fairly confident but not certain about the situation. For the reasons Bruce mentioned, I think it has worked out for the better. Then again, I wonder if Tim would have thrown a different two-strike pitch to Arenado Wednesday night if Buster had been catching. The other pitchers seem for the most part to prefer Buster. If Tim prefers Hector, that's probably the best time to rest Buster. Over time, I'd like to see Buster learn third base and for Brandon Belt to learn left field better, so they could be in the lineup together more often even when Hector catches. Boagie's idea of having Andrew Susac learn third base along with Buster seems to make all kinds of sense. I agree with Boly though that Andrew may well not be able to play the position. One thing I will say is that if Susac and Posey shared the hot corner, I'd be looking to bunt a fair amount if I were the opposition. And if I were the Giants, I'd want a defensive replacement (Matt Duffy?) ready. In that scenario, Matt might also want to learn to catch for emergencies. Or the Giants could simply bring back Pedro Feliz! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2798/screw#ixzz3XaA4fnDHdk...I can't understand the Posey -Sanchez comments by most of the board...Sanchez shows more leadership and pitch calling ability in one inning than Buster shows in the whole season...Posey is a robot who sits back, puts fingers down and waits for the pitcher to agree to one .....Sanchez stays right on the "same page" as his pitchers and is not too lazy to go to the mound and take the pitchers "by the hand" and help him thru the game...I thought his catching of the rookie was a masters work in progress.....as far as swinging at the first pitch...most managers want their pinch hitters to be aggressive...Sanchez hit two first pitches to the deep outfield, so one has to assume he had a good pitch to hit...and he slightly missed it....no one commented on Posey swinging at the first pitch last night and had weak out...but no one complained....in fact...I'm sure Posey swings at as many first pitches as anyone on the team...and I never did hear why did Sanchez catch Hudson the last game he pitched...pretty early in the season to giveBuster so much rest...or is he hurt....I don't know either catcher, but I think the world gives Posey too much credit for "being analytical" ...he gets shook off way to much.... |
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Post by donk33 on Apr 17, 2015 14:14:40 GMT -5
Boagie -- I hate the idea of wasting pitches, but he probably should have bounced it. Rog -- With first base open, he could have bounced four in a row. It's ironic, isn't it, that Don complains about Buster Posey's calling for high fastballs with 0-2 counts? Buster is trying to change the sight line, possibly inducing a flail at an unhittable pitch. At the worst, if it is reasonably accurately thrown, it sets up another low pitch. That certainly couldn't have worked out worse, could it? dk...when the high pitch is "always thrown on 0-2 it does little to change the sight line......if a batter is looking for a low pitch and gets a high fast ball, he is more likely to take the high pitch....and th e Giants' pitchers don't appear to be too adapt at throwing a good, high fastball...... Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2798/screw?page=1#ixzz3XWmgkfsW |
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Post by donk33 on Apr 17, 2015 19:37:36 GMT -5
Boagie -- I hate the idea of wasting pitches, but he probably should have bounced it. Rog -- With first base open, he could have bounced four in a row. It's ironic, isn't it, that Don complains about Buster Posey's calling for high fastballs with 0-2 counts? Buster is trying to change the sight line, possibly inducing a flail at an unhittable pitch. At the worst, if it is reasonably accurately thrown, it sets up another low pitch. That certainly couldn't have worked out worse, could it? dk...when the high pitch is "always thrown on 0-2 it does little to change the sight line......if a batter is looking for a low pitch and gets a high fast ball, he is more likely to take the high pitch....and th e Giants' pitchers don't appear to be too adapt at throwing a good, high fastball...... Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2798/screw?page=1#ixzz3XWmgkfsWdk...as to the swinging at the first pitch....career wise Sanchez is batting .361 (30 for 83) when he hits the first pitch....Posey is .414 (96 for 232)...maybe it should be mandatory that our ctchers swing at the first pitch....  |
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Post by rxmeister on Apr 19, 2015 9:31:37 GMT -5
Boagie, I know what Bochy says about the Lincecum- Sanchez thing, but I think taking the bullet is what a good manager does, and Bochy is a good manager. I don't think that Timmy and Buster don't like each other though, I think Timmy just feels he clicks more with Sanchez than Buster. The good news is that Andrew Susac has been recalled, and hopefully this is the end for Sanchez as anything other than the role he's best suited for. Cheerleader.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 19, 2015 9:46:44 GMT -5
Mark, I think you summed it up perfectly! Including the part where Sanchez assumes his role as cheerleader.
I've often thought that Susac was sent down to GET at bats because his ST injuries slowed him down.
Sanchez didn't really win the job, he got it, IMHO, because Andrew had been hurt.
Still, I LIKE keeping 3 catchers for as long as we can. That gives Bochy a lot more flexibility.
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Post by donk33 on Apr 19, 2015 12:54:17 GMT -5
Boagie, I know what Bochy says about the Lincecum- Sanchez thing, but I think taking the bullet is what a good manager does, and Bochy is a good manager. I don't think that Timmy and Buster don't like each other though, I think Timmy just feels he clicks more with Sanchez than Buster. The good news is that Andrew Susac has been recalled, and hopefully this is the end for Sanchez as anything other than the role he's best suited for. Cheerleader. dk...and oddly enough, Susac is catching Hudson...the second catcher in a row to catch Hudson, other than Posey.... |
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