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Post by rxmeister on Mar 31, 2015 18:51:41 GMT -5
Gary Brown has been designated to make room on the 40 man for Justin Maxwell. Sorry, Randy. Congratulations to Justin Maxwell though, who I'm guessing will be platooned with Blanco in RF until Pence returns. Gary Brown will never be forgotten though, as playing bongos on his head brought the Giants extremely good luck in the playoffs!
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 31, 2015 19:24:27 GMT -5
IMO it's an admission of failure by the development department. They had a kid with huge talent and they screwed him up. I hope he comes back to burn the Giants sorry asses...maybe that way they will see what needs to be changed in the system.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 31, 2015 22:42:11 GMT -5
There's actually a few guys I'd have DFAd before Brown. Kontos for one...and among the OFers, Jarrett Parker is the one I'd have exposed. I've never been too impressed with Jarrett.
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Post by Rog on Mar 31, 2015 22:50:06 GMT -5
Randy -- IMO it's an admission of failure by the development department. They had a kid with huge talent and they screwed him up. Rog -- Scouting reports questioned Brown before he was even signed. He is a very athletic player and had a very nice college career. I'm sure the Giants were hoping they could mold him into a fine player, perhaps something like Billy Hamilton is becoming. But apparently Gary has been a little hard-headed, as this quote from yougottalikethesekids.com indicated: Thursday, November 14, 2013 A Suggestion For Gary Brown's Batting Stance... Shawshank Scutaro, of course! I'm not much for batting stance tips. Like Doug Mapson says "Don’t forget, we’ve got instructors we pay a lot of money to in order to help these young hitters make the adjustments." Mapson Q&A WEST COAST SCOUT OF THE YEAR DOUG MAPSON, that is... Generally I like quieter stances, I like guys who are short to the ball with compact swings. But I also think that Ted Williams should ring out in your ear, what he said to Yaz back in the day "Your swing's great kid, don't let them change a thing". Swings are unique to each player, which is what makes that Batting Stance Guy so much fun to watch. (Giants fan to boot? Alright alright...) However... We have a major problem with HeadStrong Gary Brown, and its interrupting his quest to be Downtown Gary Brown, patrolling Mirabelli's Alley and causing chaos on the basepaths: his swing is too noisy, he holds his hands too close to his body, and he is getting killed by Righties pounding him inside with the good stuff. Here is something that was posted (not here) about Brown right after the 2010 draft: A 22-year old hitter with little plate discipline has a very high likelihood of struggling against tougher competition. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2776/gary-brown-dfad#ixzz3W1ca7odt |
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Post by Rog on Mar 31, 2015 22:54:52 GMT -5
I'm not impressed with Jarrett Parker either. I'm not positive about this, but wasn't Jarrett the Giants' 2nd-round draft pick the year Brown was its first?
In retrospect, I think Gary would have been better served had he accepted more quickly the batting changes the Giants recommended to him. It's too bad. He's really fun to watch.
It's probably not fair to blame the Giants' development staff given that Brown was apparently not receptive to their suggestions.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 31, 2015 23:00:15 GMT -5
It's not JUST Brown. Every year I see the San Jose Giants dominate the CAL League and all the guys who look studly here, hitters and pitchers, have mostly turned to crud after tutelage in Richmond and Fresno.
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Post by rxmeister on Apr 1, 2015 6:45:12 GMT -5
I look at it as a failure of the scouting system, not the player. They shouldn't have wasted a first round pick for him, and if it's true they could have gotten Beltran for him instead of Wheeler, that's a horrendous mistake, although with Wheeler out with TJ it's been said the Giants thought he was an injury waiting to happen.
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Post by Rog on Apr 1, 2015 8:31:48 GMT -5
Randy --It's not JUST Brown. Every year I see the San Jose Giants dominate the CAL League and all the guys who look studly here, hitters and pitchers, have mostly turned to crud after tutelage in Richmond and Fresno. Rog -- I think it is good to pay more attention to strikeouts and walks and less to the stats we usually look at. Look at players you thought were good for the Little Giants. Then check out their strikeouts and walks. Often we can get insight into which players are more likely to keep up their Class A+ pace. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2776/gary-brown-dfad#ixzz3W4276aTH |
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 1, 2015 14:05:29 GMT -5
I agree w/ this one. It's a failure... if it can be called that, of the scouting department.
that funky swing that Gary has... those hands so tight to his chest...THAT should have been a point of contention since before they signed him.
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Post by rxmeister on Apr 2, 2015 7:44:33 GMT -5
Failures like that show themselves in other areas too. They didn't just waste a number one draft pick. They could have traded him for Beltran instead of Wheeler, as I said before, and don't forget that Angel Pagan was traded for to be a one year stopgap until Brown was ready to take over. When Brown wasn't ready it cost them 42 million to bring Pagan and his myriad of injuries back. That's quite a price for a mistake in the draft.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 2, 2015 10:51:06 GMT -5
I agree with your point on the Wheeler/Beltran trade, now it would appear Brown would have been the better choice, even though Wheeler just had TJ surgery. Actually, a more appropriate value for Beltran would have been a dirty mop bucket, but what's done is done.
As for Pagan, even with injuries, that contract made more sense as we started seeing Brown struggle. I remember the talk here was confusion as to why they'd sign Pagan to a contract when Brown was going to be our future center fielder. I said then that it wasn't a bad contract because nobody can predict the future. Of course, I couldn't predict all of Pagan's injuries either, so I guess both sides were wrong.
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Post by Rog on Apr 3, 2015 19:50:58 GMT -5
Randy -- There's actually a few guys I'd have DFAd before Brown. Kontos for one. Rog -- George is a lot closer to Giants' bullpen than Gary is to their bench. George could make the team; he could be traded; the Giants might hope to be able to sneak him through and have him pitch at Fresno. Gary might not be claimed (unless he already has been; I've been sick in bed, not simply sick (out of bed) as usual). If he isn't he can choose to return to Fresno. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2776/gary-brown-dfad#ixzz3WITuHIo5 |
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Post by sfgdood on Apr 3, 2015 19:56:30 GMT -5
Gary's a Cardinal now
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Post by Rog on Apr 3, 2015 20:05:42 GMT -5
Mark -- Failures like that show themselves in other areas too. They didn't just waste a number one draft pick. They could have traded him for Beltran instead of Wheeler, as I said before, and don't forget that Angel Pagan was traded for to be a one year stopgap until Brown was ready to take over. When Brown wasn't ready it cost them 42 million to bring Pagan and his myriad of injuries back. That's quite a price for a mistake in the draft. Rog -- Very good point. And it goes even further than that. If Brown had made it, they wouldn't have needed to go with the platoon of Gregor Blanco and Andres Torres in left field in 2013, instead moving Angel there with Gary in center. They wouldn't have needed to sign Mike Morse a year ago (although that worked out well). They wouldn't have needed to sign Nori Aoki this year (which will hopefully work out well). They wouldn't have been in such desperate need for starting pitchers for the 2013 season and might not have re-signed Tim Lincecum, or held out for a lower dollar figure so they could also sign someone to complement him. How often have we thought about the slow chain reaction to a move that is made or isn't made? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2776/gary-brown-dfad?page=1#ixzz3WIVq7rne |
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Post by Rog on Apr 3, 2015 20:09:23 GMT -5
I guess if a team signs someone who has been removed solely from the 40-man roster, all a team needs to do by claiming him is put him on their own 40-man roster, not their 25-man.
Gary is expected to start in center field for the Memphis Redbirds, per this article on cardinalfarm.com:
In what will likely appear to be a minor move, the Cardinals have claimed outfielder Gary Brown off waivers from the San Francisco Giants, according to Alex Pavlovic. Brown was designated for assignment a couple of days ago when the Giants added Justin Maxwell to their 40-man roster.
Brown was a former first round pick by the Giants in the 2010 MLB Draft out of Cal State Fullerton. Brown has 7 major league plate appearances, all coming in 2014. He has 550 minor league plate appearances and has a slash line of .277/.342/.415/.757 with the majority of his at bats coming from the center field position.
The Cardinals had plenty of room on their 40-man roster to add Brown and he appears to be Tommy Pham‘s replacement in center field for the Memphis Redbirds while Pham is recovering from a strained left quadricept.
Brown, 26, is known for his speed an defense. As Baseball America wrote late last year, Brown has plus speed but his base running instincts lave something to be desired. He is a plus defender who could see time as a late inning replacement.
In 2013, Brown was ranked as the fourth best prospect for the Giants by Baseball America. In their write up, Baseball America compares Brown to former major leaguer Randy Winn. There is more in there about hi splus defense and his great speed but poor base running.
Brown’s best minor league season was in 2011 when he was with the Giants Advanced Class A team. He hit .336/.407/.519 and had 14 home runs, 80 runs batted in, 115 runs scored, and 53 stolen bases. Quite a year for any player, Brown had a wRC+ of 138. From there Brown’s weighted runs created dropped to 95, 104, 72, and 88.
As I mentioned earlier, Brown will likely be the starting center fielder for the Memphis Redbirds as Tommy Pham has been sidelined indefinitely with his quad strain. The Cardinals appeared to be lacking a center field option at the Triple-A level. I would not expect much as there are reasons why Brown was DFA’ed by the Giants. What I would expect is solid defensive play and a nice depth chart piece in the system that will allow others (like Charlie Tilson perhaps) to play at the appropriate level.
This is a blow to the already small prospect status of Tommy Pham. Whether the Cardinals believe Pham will be out longer or that they have lost faith in him due to his injury concerns, it looks like he has been replaced for the time being. We will see what kind of ripple this causes in the Cards system.
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Post by Rog on Apr 3, 2015 20:12:36 GMT -5
There is one thing I have always wondered about the Beltran trade. Before the trade it was said that the Mets were asking for Brown or Wheeler in return. Clearly the Giants would have tried hard not to part with either prospect.
But when the deal came down, did the Giants have their choice of trading either Brown or Wheeler, or did the Mets demand Wheeler?
I suppose we'll never know the answer to that one.
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