sfgdood
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Mar 29, 2015 17:38:21 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Mar 29, 2015 17:38:21 GMT -5
So both Gary Brown and Juan Perez have been sent down to AAA. Unless I'm missing something, that pretty much means Justin Maxwell will start the year as the 5th outfielder. Interesting. I wonder would the Giants send Ishikawa down if Maxwell outhits him by a lot (as he has in the Cactus League) when Pence is ready to return to the roster? The final infield spot seems to be between Duffy and Adrianza. I would go with Ehire because he is out of options and Duffy showed with a couple brutal blunders today that he could use more seasoning in the minors.
Also, Hector Sanchez has beaten out Andrew Susac as the backup catcher and Hunter Strickland will also (thank God) start the year in Sacramento.
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Mar 29, 2015 21:02:50 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Mar 29, 2015 21:02:50 GMT -5
I've watched Perez hit a lot... and I don't like his stroke, or the way he sort of "shuffles his feet" as he swings.
Maxwell has a much, much more repeatable stroke.
Ishi I'd like to keep to have him off the bench.
And Santiago? He wouldn't break camp with me; I go with Susac.
Then again, they may be wating for Hector to play himself off the roster, or on to someone elses via a trade.
As for Duffy.. Man! Nice piece of hitting AGAIN today as he poked that shot to RF.
I also liked the way he handled himself at 3B.
He's much smoother there, IMHO, than what I've seen of him at SS.
He's better than Adrianza with the bat by a lot... but he has options.
I'm betting he goes down.
boly
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sfgdood
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Mar 29, 2015 21:40:22 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Mar 29, 2015 21:40:22 GMT -5
I'm a little bit surprised you go with Susac over the experienced Sanchez (Benito Santiago retired long ago and I believe he now is on tour with his doppelganger Carlos Santana). Last year you chose Perez over Brown--who are basically the same player (no hit, mucho speed and good gloves both)--and yet this year you choose the younger Susac, who had a very poor spring. No comprendo
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sfgdood
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Mar 29, 2015 21:44:53 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Mar 29, 2015 21:44:53 GMT -5
Duffy has been the best hitter in camp...but his options and the fact that Adrianza likely wouldn't make it through waivers, is working against Matt breaking camp with the Giants. As for how he looks at third, he let an easy one get right by him today. He also got doubled off first on a soft slow liner to SS...not very good at all. He needs some seasoning. Remember he has had no time in AAA. He should be playing every day, not riding pine in SF
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Mar 30, 2015 5:55:01 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 5:55:01 GMT -5
Remember that we said that the better prospect Matt Duffy was, the more chance he would start the season in the minors. Although I am surprised that Andrew Susac went back down, the same is really true of him.
Let Duffy and Susac get regular at bats and be ready to come up sometime during the season when they might be needed more. With Sanchez and Susac, moving them back and forth between the Giants' top two California towns might keep both sharp. The Giants likely don't have that benefit with Adrianza.
Maxwell's major league life is extended by Hunter Pence's injury. The really tough call is Machi vs. Kontos. The loser of the battle will likely be traded, especially if it's Machi. Cordier will likely start the season on the DL, delaying his decision -- perhaps until another pitcher becomes injured. Otherwise, I see Cordier as the first man out in the three-way battle for the final bullpen spot.
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Mar 30, 2015 5:58:37 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 5:58:37 GMT -5
Duffy's most likely position would seem to me to be second base. He doesn't have the expected pop of a third baseman, and his fielding isn't strong as a shortstop. As the season goes on, it is possible he will be called up and do some platooning with Joe Panik. The Giants were just beginning to do that last season when Joe exploded.
Maybe the Giants will trade Arias at some point. It would seem to me though that unless he survives this entire season though, that Adrianza eventually will be the odd man out.
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Mar 30, 2015 6:01:44 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 6:01:44 GMT -5
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Mar 30, 2015 6:05:26 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 6:05:26 GMT -5
Right now Andrew Susac is the heir apparent to Buster Posey behind the plate. If Hector Sanchez performs well as Buster's backup and the young catcher the Giants drafted a year or two ago (Garcia?) progresses well, Andrew could become a valued trade chip.
Tim Lincecum's future might also affect Hector Sanchez's future. Tim likes pitching to Hector and in fact did so far more effectively last season than pitching to either Buster or Andrew. If Tim leaves the rotation, Hector's immediate value drops.
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Mar 30, 2015 6:23:21 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 6:23:21 GMT -5
Hunter Pence's injury gives Justin Maxwell extra time to prove himself. Two things augur against him though.
The Giants will face few southpaw starters while Pence is out, likely lessening Justin's opportunities. The Silver Hammer has struck out once every 2.7 at bats in his major league career after striking once every 3.2 AB's in the minors.
On the other hand, baseball is in need of new nicknames. If he can hit with power, Justin could certainly become the Silver Hammer.
The Giants may already have had the best nicknames of any recent team. Panda, Baby Giraffe, Freak, Captain Under Pants, Horse, Mad Bum, Crazy Horse are pretty good. Even Buster isn't horrible, if uncreative.
And now we find out that Casey McGeehee or McGayhee is really just Casey McGee. Perhaps Bobby would make a good nickname.
By the way, how good a season does Tim Hudson need to have this year in order to make the Hall of Fame? His 9-13 record last season hurt his cause, in that it moved him four more games away from 100 wins over .500. Only 23 of the 74 Hall of Fame pitchers have won at least 100 games more than they lost.
Tim has won 90 more. It would take a really lucky season for him to get there. I wonder if he wound up say three or fewer short after this season if he would tough it out one more year.
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Mar 30, 2015 6:27:20 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 6:27:20 GMT -5
Randy -- the younger Susac
Rog -- This is surprising, but Hector is the younger by only four months.
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Mar 30, 2015 6:32:57 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 6:32:57 GMT -5
Apparently the Giants will face mostly southpaws while Hunter Pence is out, which will help minimize his loss a little. While Pence is out, the Giants will usually have five lefty hitters and a switch hitter in the lineup. They may well have two switch hitters (Sanchez and Adrianza) and a lefty swinger (Ishikawa) off the bench.
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Mar 30, 2015 8:15:14 GMT -5
Post by rxmeister on Mar 30, 2015 8:15:14 GMT -5
Let's face it, the Giants are making decisions based on who has options and who doesn't, but I don't have a problem with that because all teams do the same. Susac is better than Hector, but he's only a phone call away. Hector is also a foul ball off the mask away from no longer being a catcher. As for Matt Duffy vs. Adrianza, I feel like that's a decision where the Giants will go away from the norm and choose Duffy. Duffy has had a sensational spring with the bat and Adrianza has done little. The options thing saved Adrianza last year, but I don't think they'd do it two years in a row when the player has shown nothing. Duffy is also a right handed option when you have left handed middle infielders in Panik and Crawford. The dropoff in offense is minimal (or even non existent) when you sit them for Duffy, but a problem when you play Ehire. I go with Kontos over Machi and although it looks like Maxwell has deservedly made the team, Bochy has said that Sabeam is still looking into trades.
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Mar 30, 2015 9:22:53 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 30, 2015 9:22:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the Giants would like to acquire another outfielder. The Giants won't face many lefties early in the season, so if the Giants are having a hard time trading Adrianza or want to get Matt some AAA work, it might be a good idea to start the season with Ehire and see what happens.
If the Giants could trade Ehire for even a fringe outfielder, that might be a good way to go. Right now the Giants' need is more in the outfield than closer to home plate.
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Mar 30, 2015 12:20:25 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Mar 30, 2015 12:20:25 GMT -5
I think it is wrong to say the option thing "saves" a player. What it does is forces the team to make a decision to either fish or cut bait on a player. Either the Giants believe Adrianza is valuable enough to hold on to or they will trade him because it's not likely that Ehire would survive waivers.
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Mar 30, 2015 13:21:48 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Mar 30, 2015 13:21:48 GMT -5
Apparently the Giants will face mostly southpaws while Hunter Pence is out, which will help minimize his loss a little. While Pence is out, the Giants will usually have five lefty hitters and a switch hitter in the lineup. They may well have two switch hitters (Sanchez and Adrianza) and a lefty swinger (Ishikawa) off the bench.
Dood - you're sugar-coating crap again.
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Mar 30, 2015 13:31:30 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Mar 30, 2015 13:31:30 GMT -5
I'm a little bit surprised you go with Susac over the experienced Sanchez (Benito Santiago retired long ago and I believe he now is on tour with his doppelganger Carlos Santana). Last year you chose Perez over Brown--who are basically the same player (no hit, mucho speed and good gloves both)--and yet this year you choose the younger Susac, who had a very poor spring. No comprendo
***boly says***
Entonces, te explico.
I was never a Brown fan. I think his swing is all over the place, and needs to be more compact. To my eye, he's trying to jerk the ball too much.
Though I don't like the way Perez shuffles his feet, I think he has more upside... for the moment, than Brown.
Now IF Gary cuts his swing down, maybe I'll change my mind.
As to Hector and Andrew:
1-I don't like Santiago's HUGE, beer-ball/softball upper cut.
2-I much prefer Susac's defense over Hector's. Hector boxes too many balls, and, as is my complaint with Posey, he's not fluid back there.
3-From my observations, I see Susac as being a considerable more consistent hitter, based upon his stroke.
4-I think Susac's release is quicker and he's much, much better at blocking balls.
boly
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Mar 30, 2015 13:38:50 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Mar 30, 2015 13:38:50 GMT -5
fair enough. I like Susac better too, but having seen both Brown and Perez I still like Gary to end up with the better career than Juan. I think another factor with Hector is they want him to catch Timmy.
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Mar 30, 2015 17:06:10 GMT -5
Post by donk33 on Mar 30, 2015 17:06:10 GMT -5
Randy -- He also got doubled off first on a soft slow liner to SS...not very good at all. Rog -- True. The rule is not to get double off on a ball hit to the left side. I wouldn't expect Matt to make that mistake often at all. He might not make it again the rest of his career. dk..that had to be the most confusing play I've seen in sometime...Kuiper said the umpire gave the safe sign to indicate the hit was a ground ball and not a liner...if so...and I don't agree....you have to assume the throw to second would have meant that Matt was forced at second and the throw back to first was to get the batter out...but the first baseman came off the bag to tag Matt....so, by Kuiper call, Matt was cau ght twice for the double play.....to me, the liner was caught, the throw back to second was to catch the runner off base...and the umps sign indicated the runner got back to second, safely...the throw to the first caught Matt off the bag and called out....Kuiper had no interest in getting the call correctly... Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2773/hmmm?page=1#ixzz3VrjHnWjC
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Mar 31, 2015 7:51:24 GMT -5
Post by rxmeister on Mar 31, 2015 7:51:24 GMT -5
DK, is that a picture of you in your youth? Looking good! Must have drove them chicks (or broads) wild back in the day!
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Mar 31, 2015 21:25:53 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 31, 2015 21:25:53 GMT -5
Rog -- Apparently the Giants will face mostly southpaws while Hunter Pence is out, which will help minimize his loss a little. While Pence is out, the Giants will usually have five lefty hitters and a switch hitter in the lineup. They may well have two switch hitters (Sanchez and Adrianza) and a lefty swinger (Ishikawa) off the bench. Dood - you're sugar-coating crap again. Rog -- If sugar-coating is stating facts, you're right on the money. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2773/hmmm#ixzz3W1KpyRE3
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Mar 31, 2015 21:30:36 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Mar 31, 2015 21:30:36 GMT -5
Matt was really messed up on that play. Whether the ball hit the ground or not, he played it in such a way that he was out either way.
The umpire should say "It's down," if the ball isn't caught and "that's an out or that's a catch" if it is. The problem is that in a major league game, it's tough if not impossible for the players to hear what the ump says.
A question: If a ball hit down the line is foul, the umpire yells "foul," puts his arms up and points to foul territory. If the ball is fair, he merely points to fair territory. Does anyone know why he yells on the foul ball and remains silent when it is fair?
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Post by rxmeister on Apr 1, 2015 6:54:22 GMT -5
Getting back to Duffy, he singled in the winning run yesterday and has hit .385 this spring as compared to Ehire's .244. If this isn't the factor that decides the competition rather than options left, why even bother playing spring training games?
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Apr 1, 2015 10:01:43 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Apr 1, 2015 10:01:43 GMT -5
Once again...there are lots of factors. Do you see Duffy supplanting any of the current starting infielders this year? If not, then why not give him regular starts in Sac and hold on to a guy who would likely get snatched up quickly by another team? It's never just about who had a better Spring. You should know that much by now.
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Apr 1, 2015 10:48:49 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 1, 2015 10:48:49 GMT -5
You make good points Randy. But what about Adrianza? He's 25, clearly not progressing as far as Duffy has. He's not going to get playing time to prove himself, he's only going to get older and less likely to ever sick in the majors. I think to be fair, the Giants should let him go and give him a chance to find his place elsewhere. I know we focus on stats and money a lot, but sometimes there is a human element to some of these decisions.
It makes sense for the Giants and Adrianza to cut ties. And as far as I can tell, Duffy doesn't have much more to learn at AAA. If you're worried about Duffy not getting playing time, I would rotate him around the infield and get him a lot of at-bats early on. I would love to see him steal a starting job from McGehee.
Again, I realize that none of this is likely to happen.
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Apr 1, 2015 11:19:12 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Apr 1, 2015 11:19:12 GMT -5
I think it's too early to say Adrianza will NEVER be this or do that. I realize Ehire is not the Wizard but lots of people said Ozzie Smith would never be a hitter. One thing we know about Adrianza is he can pick it clean. There will always be a market for middle infielders that can do that. However if you want Duffy to stay with the team on the pine then it might behoove Sabean to be on the phones now with teams in need of a slick fielding middle infielder because if you DFA Ehire you will lose him with no compensation, and all you invested in him all these years would be for nothing.
As I said before, if I truly want Duffy on the bench, then I personally would shop Arias and keep Adrianza. Matt and Juaquin are very similar, tall rangey right handers...Adrianza is a different egg, a switch-hitting speedy glove man. Adrianza's speed off the bench is even more in need since Perez has been sent down, Brown has been DFA'd and Blanco is now starting. I either send Duffy down or I shop Arias. Either way I keep Adrianza who is out of options.
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Apr 1, 2015 12:32:53 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Apr 1, 2015 12:32:53 GMT -5
Randy -- Do you see Duffy supplanting any of the current starting infielders this year? If not, then why not give him regular starts in Sac and hold on to a guy who would likely get snatched up quickly by another team? Rog -- Good thinking. Keep the extra piece while allowing Duffy to develop by playing every day in Sacramento. That still leaves several options for Matt down the road, including performing something of a platoon with Crawford and Panik. Or taking over as a starter in the event of an injury. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2773/hmmm#ixzz3W50dzbw2
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Apr 1, 2015 12:40:43 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Apr 1, 2015 12:40:43 GMT -5
Boagie -- It makes sense for the Giants and Adrianza to cut ties. And as far as I can tell, Duffy doesn't have much more to learn at AAA. If you're worried about Duffy not getting playing time, I would rotate him around the infield and get him a lot of at-bats early on. I would love to see him steal a starting job from McGehee. Again, I realize that none of this is likely to happen. Rog -- This seems a very good scenario. But it might be even better after Matt gets regular at bats in Sacramento. Saving Arianza as a utility man doesn't prevent anything less than an eventual starting job for Matt. Meanwhile, the Giants can see how Ehire performs, while maintaining all its assets. If Adrianza performs well enough, possibly he or Arias could be part of a mid-season trade once the Giants identify their position of biggest need. Both players would remain available should the Giants pull off a big trade involving Duffy or Panik. As for Duffy's taking over for McGehee in the event that Casey gets off to a start as slow as spelling his surname, it would seem Matt would be better prepared if he were to play some third base in Sacramento. I think Matt still has woefully little experience at the position. Although more than Travis Ishikawa had in left field! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2773/hmmm?page=1#ixzz3W51ngnOw
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Apr 1, 2015 12:46:11 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Apr 1, 2015 12:46:11 GMT -5
Randy -- I realize Ehire is not the Wizard but lots of people said Ozzie Smith would never be a hitter. Rog -- Look at their K/BB ratios. Ozzie was a hitter waiting to happen. Ehire (236K/407BB) not so much. Even earnly in his major league, Ozzie could draw a walk and avoid striking out. Every season with San Diego he had at least as many walks as strike outs. Ehire has 27 K's and 6 BB's. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2773/hmmm?page=1#ixzz3W53XILQo
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