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Post by rxmeister on Dec 19, 2014 22:04:00 GMT -5
The Giants have their third baseman and he's a ....third baseman! They could have done better, but they also could have done worse. The good news? He hit .287 last year and they got him for nothing, minor league pitchers Kendry Flores and Luis Castillo. The bad news? Four HR in over 600 at bats, made 20 errors and let the majors in GIDP with an unbelievable 31! Watch out MLB, we have the mighty Casey!
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 19, 2014 22:26:17 GMT -5
Welcome to the bottom of the barrel
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 19, 2014 23:58:09 GMT -5
Randy ever the optimist!
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 20, 2014 0:02:15 GMT -5
yeah I'm sorry...an old guy who once was a power guy but no longer hits homers...once a good glove guy but now kicks the ball all over the field...never had much speed and has even less now...he's the gem Sabean was holding out for, obviously. Be still my heart!
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Post by donk33 on Dec 20, 2014 0:16:31 GMT -5
he only made 7 errors in 2014... he played in Japan in 2013 and hit 28 homers...maybe they could trade ball parks with the Japanese team he played for....
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2014 7:13:28 GMT -5
Florida is a tough park to hit in unless your name is Mike Stanton, not that AT&T is any easier. I'm not worried about the defense too much because they'll pull him for defense like they used to do to Pablo when he was struggling defensively. Like I said, as a one year stop gap he's not a bad choice and they've still got money to spend.
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Post by Rog on Dec 20, 2014 10:58:38 GMT -5
I made at least one mistake which Don corrected. I said McGehee was injured in 2013. That was an assumption. I should have done my homework. I have no idea then why Casey's power dropped off so noticeably.
I'm glad Don pointed out that Casey made only 7 errors last season. I don't think he's nearly as good a third baseman as Pablo was last year, but making only 7 errors shows him to be sure-handed and accurate.
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Post by Islandboagie on Dec 20, 2014 12:37:48 GMT -5
Rog- I have no idea then why Casey's power dropped off so noticeably.
Boagie- Yeah, it's a real head scratcher. Maybe Melky Cabrera has an idea why Casey's power numbers dropped off? Or better yet, his ex teammate, Ryan Braun, might have an idea.
Either way, people make mistakes. I'll be happy if McGehee hits like he did last season. And if Sabean lands a good left fielder (Colby Rasmus?) I'll be very happy with our lineup.
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Post by Rog on Dec 20, 2014 15:35:15 GMT -5
Boagie -- I'll be happy if McGehee hits like he did last season. And if Sabean lands a good left fielder (Colby Rasmus?) I'll be very happy with our lineup. Rog -- I could live with another similar year from McGehee, but I'd love to see him trade in about 10 double plays for home runs. I think he's actually a pretty professional hitter. Rasmus is an intriguing case. Although I think he's been mostly a lead off man, he has decent to good power but doesn't get on base much. He's very fast, but he doesn't steal bases. He strikes out a TON and has hit for a decent average only when he posts a Batting Average on Balls In Play over .350. He is projected to go .233/.300/.417/.717, which shows a lot of power but very little ability to reach base. He was decent his first two seasons, but he's been pretty bad three out of the last four, as he's begun to strike out more and more. Last season he struck out once every three at bats. That's Adam Dunn-like -- without the walks or the power. To me, Rasmus is kind of a Gary Brown with more power. Lots of strikeouts, doesn't get on base much. He doesn't steal many bases, and he isn't as good a fielder. I'm more interested in the somewhat less expensive Oaki, who is projected to go .279/,343/.371/.714. Their OPS are projected to be almost the same, but Aoki will almost certainly keep the line going better and make fewer outs. Last season Rasmus had only 0.23 walks per strikeout, while Aoki was almost four times as good at 0.88. No Giant was close to Aoki's 0.88 ratio. The nearest was Buster Posey at 0.68. The only Giants hitters with a worse ratio than Rasmus were Hector Sanchez, Tyler Colvin, Ehire Adrianza and Juan Perez. I see your argument, and you could be right. But I would prefer Aoki and Chris Denorfia for about the same money. I think Rasmus, a former #28 overall draft choice and highly rated prospect, has more upside, but right now I don't think he's as good a player as Aoki. 0.23 BB/K is horrible, whereas Aoki's 0.88 is very, very good. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2635/giants-trade-casey-mcgehee#ixzz3MTGRwqGo |
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 20, 2014 16:03:26 GMT -5
Rasmus, Aoki and Denorfia huh? What a genius Sabean would be if he could land one of those studs. Why was I so worried about them waiting as long as they have?
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2014 18:53:00 GMT -5
I guess you have to go to the source to see why the power dropped off. McGehee said it was simply a matter of him learning how to hit in Japan. Instead of trying to jack everything like in previous years, he learned to use the whole field. The more I hear the more I like. He's one of those chemistry guys who will run through a brick wall for you, and the Marlins fans talked about how many times they walked Stanton intentionally to get to him and he made them pay. They're very upset to see him go.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 20, 2014 19:08:42 GMT -5
Well that could be true or it might be an excuse. We'll find out on the field which it is. Either way I am NOT encouraged by his GIDP number
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 21, 2014 7:52:13 GMT -5
The DP number is ridiculous, but another thing I read about was the steadfast refusal of the Marlins manager to use the hit and run while he was hitting. We've seen Bochy do that many times to avoid DP's and I'm guessing he'll do it with Casey At The Bat.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 21, 2014 12:40:59 GMT -5
the use of the hit & run will be a sure sign that Bochy has given up all hope for any power out of McGehee.
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Post by Rog on Dec 21, 2014 19:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by Rog on Dec 21, 2014 19:57:12 GMT -5
Randy -- Well that could be true or it might be an excuse. We'll find out on the field which it is. Either way I am NOT encouraged by his GIDP number Rog -- I think everyone here is discouraged by 31 GDP's. But that is a dozen more than Casey's previous career high, so he'll likely improve in that regard. I am encouraged though that you admit that we'll find out on the field about Casey. I was afraid you already had your mind made up. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2635/giants-trade-casey-mcgehee?page=1#ixzz3MaFekFM9 |
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Post by Rog on Dec 21, 2014 20:12:59 GMT -5
Randy -- the use of the hit & run will be a sure sign that Bochy has given up all hope for any power out of McGehee. Rog -- Or it could mean that Bruce is trying to stay out of the double play. Or that he wants Hunter Pence to run more often. It certainly won't be a SURE sign that Bruce has given up hope for power. Aren't you at ALL impressed that last season Casey drove home 25 runners in 28 attempts with a runner on third base and fewer than two outs? That he hit .319 with RISP? That he hit .312 with runners on base? That he hit .296 with two outs and runners in scoring position? That he hit .321 with two outs? That he hit .311 in late and close situations? That he hit .305 in tie games? That he hit .285 in high leverage situations and .304 in medium leverage? That he hit .300 in the eighth inning, .309 in the ninth inning and .333 in extra innings? That he batted .311 against relief pitchers? That he goes back up the middle as hitters are taught and had 100 hits to center field. (He had 39 to left and 38 to right, so he isn't the easiest guy to defend.) I think you'll find, Randy, that as Mark said, the closer you look, the more you'll like. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2635/giants-trade-casey-mcgehee?page=1#ixzz3MaGNmRrq |
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 21, 2014 20:29:13 GMT -5
I know all about McGehee, he's not a mystery. There's plenty of tape on him. I'll only be impressed if he shows me last year's power lapse was a fluke. If not, he's a punchless Judy which is not good for a third baseman.
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Post by Rog on Dec 21, 2014 21:51:47 GMT -5
Randy -- I'll only be impressed if he shows me last year's power lapse was a fluke. Rog -- Miami was pretty happy with McGehee's hitting last season even with the power lapse. But chances are he'll bounce back to at least SOME degree. By the way, I'm not expecting to be impressed with Casey, but I expect him to do a workmanlike job. Probably a little better than a workmanlike job. If we want to compare Pablo to McGehee, Pablo is going to win. By quite a bit. But there are many other positive factors about this year's hitting, as have been noted. It's how the overall lineup works that is more important. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2635/giants-trade-casey-mcgehee#ixzz3MafF1l2z |
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 21, 2014 22:56:03 GMT -5
Randy -- I'll only be impressed if he shows me last year's power lapse was a fluke.
Rog -- Miami was pretty happy with McGehee's hitting last season even with the power lapse
Dood - so happy that they cut him loose for two crappy pitching prospects.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 22, 2014 9:25:54 GMT -5
Pablo wins by a lot I agree, but figuring Pablo is 5/95 and McGehee is 1/3.5, you have to ask yourself if he's that much better. The Giants can make this a no brainer by wisely using the extra funds that having Casey over Pablo brings.
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Post by Rog on Dec 22, 2014 10:32:34 GMT -5
Randy -- I'll only be impressed if he shows me last year's power lapse was a fluke. Rog -- Miami was pretty happy with McGehee's hitting last season even with the power lapse Dood - so happy that they cut him loose for two crappy pitching prospects. Rog -- After the trade for Martin Prado, the Marlins no longer needed McGehee. Didn't you know that? The two relievers are strikeout per inning pitchers who are likely rated as high or higher than Gary Brown. Flores in particular I've seen ranked higher than Gary. Remember, the Giants may have traded for only one year of Casey. He seems excited to back near where he grew up and went to college though, so I suspect if he has a good year he'll be back. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2635/giants-trade-casey-mcgehee#ixzz3MdmXCtNj |
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Post by Rog on Dec 22, 2014 10:48:29 GMT -5
Mark -- The Giants can make this a no brainer by wisely using the extra funds that having Casey over Pablo brings. Rog -- The Giants have more or less used the money to acquire McGehee and re-sign Peavy and Romo, thus filling three of their four holes and having perhaps as much as $10 million left for a left fielder. The Giants have spread their risk and kept their commitments to no more than two years, whereas they would have been committed to Pablo for five years. In total dollars, they have spent less than half what Pablo would have cost. They acquired five total years of commitment, just as they would have done with Pablo, but at less than half the cost. We talked about how Pablo saved the Giants from themselves. Given that they committed $50 million dollars less, he very likely did. That $50 million dollars might be enough to sign Yoan Moncada, who will likely turn out better than Pablo. I worry that the $50 million won't be enough, and much if not most of it would have to be spent right away, but it is possible Moncada will turn out to be the best of the Cubans signed to date. Meanwhile, if the Giants can scrounge up a trade for a good outfielder, they may well have the money to do so. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2635/giants-trade-casey-mcgehee?page=1#ixzz3MdopeoLW |
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Post by Rog on Dec 22, 2014 10:53:03 GMT -5
With the money that is available I suspect some here would still be unhappy even if Pablo had been signed. But looking at the situation realistically, I truly believe the Giants have fared better thus far with the trio they have signed.
Some here aren't going to agree with me, and there is no way to know until it plays out, but two things are fact: The Giants would have received five seasons from Pablo, and they will receive the same number of seasons from the trio. And they have saved $50 million by doing so.
Those are facts. Just about every thing else we have read here is conjecture.
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