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Post by rxmeister on Dec 17, 2014 14:57:09 GMT -5
Despite the fact that both Romo and his dad desperately wanted him to be a Dodger (oops Dood!) the Giants have re-signed Sergio to a 2 yr 15 million dollar deal. Welcome back to one of our three time world champions!
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 17, 2014 15:33:26 GMT -5
Major mistake by both clubs. The Dodger bullpen is a mess and the Giants have equal cheaper options in the minor leagues. The offseason of missteps continues. Of all the holes that needed filling this one was the one that was easiest filled in house. 7 days till Christmas Eve and all the best available talent is pretty much gone. #Sabeanfail
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Post by Rog on Dec 17, 2014 15:45:43 GMT -5
The Dodgers must not have wanted him. Imagine the shock to his dad!
I'm not particularly a fan of this signing, since I think the Giants have other, more important needs to fill, but it was a very reasonable deal in today's market. For the money and the term, I can't be too upset. Sergio likely even gave the Giants a bit of a hometown discount, and we haven't seen enough of that.
This deal should still leave the Giants with enough money to sign James Shields, should that turn out to be a joint direction. Perhaps this deal lessens those chances, but it may also be a case of the Giants' wanting to sign Romo and having to match or come close to matching another offer.
If the Giants do sign Shields, they won't have much left over for left field or third base, but if they do enough back loading, perhaps they will have enough to pay someone like Chris Denorfia for a platoon and to pay a third baseman acquired via trade.
They might possibly have enough money for Jake Peavy or a comparable pitcher, the Korean infielder and someone like Denorfia, should they decide to spread the money around between their needs. Maybe Aoki or Rasmus plus a third baseman via trade.
At least the Giants have finally done something. I'm kind of neutral on the deal until we see what accompanies it. But in today's market, I definitely don't think it was an overpay. He was projected at about 3/$24.
And while I share Boly's concerns about Romo, we shouldn't overlook that his ERA in the season's most important three months -- August, September and October -- was 1.23. For three months at least, that was the old Sergio.
Let's hope we get two more years like that. While that's a little too much to expect (Sergio's career ERA is 2.51), even with all his troubles last season, he struck out more than a batter per inning, had a 4.92 K/BB ratio, and a 0.95 WHIP. He blews five saves, but put in the context of 23 saves and 11 holds, that's actually pretty good.
Sergio can close, or he can set up. He has done more of the latter, but he has also shown he can perform the former. In a period of about two calender years, he had about 70 saves, a bunch of holds and 10 blown saves. Again, pretty darn good.
He hasn't been as good the past two seasons, and has been declining since his fabulous 2011 season, but he's still one of the best set up men or closers in the game.
Sergio was as good as usual against right-handed batters last season, but he did fare about 100 OPS points above his career average against southpaws. He still pitched well last season, and if the Giants occasionally give him some platoon help from Javier Lopez, perhaps he can pitch close to his career averages -- which would be excellent.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 17, 2014 15:45:56 GMT -5
I called this one. And I hope my other predictions don't come true.
this one I can at least live with, as it's not outrageous money.
But if we go, as Randy says, bargain basement... I'll not be happy, and most Giant fans won't either.
boly
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Post by Rog on Dec 17, 2014 15:51:09 GMT -5
Randy -- Major mistake by both clubs. The Dodger bullpen is a mess and the Giants have equal cheaper options in the minor leagues. The offseason of missteps continues. Rog -- I'm wondering how the off season of missteps can continue when this is the first step! Man, you're negative, Randy. I'm not thrilled, but you act like your dog just died. For the money they spent, the Giants likely got decent value. I would have preferred they spend it on another position, but I don't think there is much question they are stronger today than they were yesterday. Let's not forget either that adding Sergio back into the bullpen could give the Giants an extra trading chip with their bullpen depth. Again, let's see what the overall plan is. Why do we keep getting into premature speculation? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2627/giants-re-sign-sergio-romo?page=1#ixzz3MBquwzJk |
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 17, 2014 17:09:29 GMT -5
The Giants obviously thought their best "in house" option this past year was Hunter Strickland and how did that work out in the postseason? I agree they have some big relief arms in the minors, but there's still room for them on a staff that employs Kontos and Machi, and this is just a two year deal. I'm happy to have Sergio back. He's been a great Giant, and he's a fun guy if you've been watching games and teams need that chemistry. Oh, yeah, he can pitch too. I'll withhold judgement on the money they spent today until I see what else they do or don't do.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 17, 2014 17:52:55 GMT -5
Rog -- I'm wondering how the off season of missteps can continue when this is the first step! Man, you're negative, Randy.
Dood - you forget the signings of the GREAT Justin Maxwell and Travis Ishikawa.
Again, let's see what the overall plan is. Why do we keep getting into premature speculation?
Dood - the pickins are already slim. The cupboard's nearly bare...except of course for the likes of the GREAT Chris Dinorfia and Nori "Chokey" Aoki.
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Post by Rog on Dec 17, 2014 22:51:21 GMT -5
Boly -- I called this one. And I hope my other predictions don't come true. this one I can at least live with, as it's not outrageous money. But if we go, as Randy says, bargain basement... I'll not be happy, and most Giant fans won't either. Rog -- The Giants still have close to $25 million to spend. Does that sound like going bargain basement? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2627/giants-re-sign-sergio-romo#ixzz3MDZdFy7t |
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Post by Rog on Dec 17, 2014 23:25:10 GMT -5
Dood - the pickins are already slim. The cupboard's nearly bare...except of course for the likes of the GREAT Chris Dinorfia and Nori "Chokey" Aoki. Rog -- Dinorfia is a platoon player, but Aoki is of starter quality. Which player would you prefer? .283/.334/.419/.753 or .287/.353/.387/.741? Fairly close, isn't it? The former is ... Angel Pagan. The latter ... Nori Aoki. Given that OBP is generally considered to carry over one and a half times the weight of SLG, it become REALLY close. Of the two, I would rather have Pagan. He is the better base runner and fielder (although Aoki is also pretty good in those categories). Calling Aoki "Chokey" is disgusting. Other free agents who are available include Max Scherzer (highly unlikely), James Shields (decent chance, perhaps more than decent), Jake Peavy (fairly likely if the Giants strongly pursue him) and Colby Rasmus (possible, but I haven't heard of any interest). Let's not forget that the Giants have said they would likely fill third base via trade and have explored trades for the other openings, as well. You mentioned Denorfia, who isn't great, but isn't really a bad platoon candidate, either. He would be most likely in a scenario where the Giants sign Shields, which would give them one of the top four free agents, according to Jon Heyman. If the Giants miss out on Shields and instead sign Peavy, they will have more money left for third base and left field. Here is where some of the players signed or left are rated among the crop of free agents by Heyman. I'll leave out Scherzer, who is #1 but highly unlikely, and I've already mentioned Shields at #4. Asdrubal Cabrera #21 Jake Peavy #23 Sergio Romo #25 Ryan Vogelsong #28 Nori Aoki #35 Aaron Harang #43 There are players out there. Let's just wait and see what the Giants do before we panic. If there was no reason to panic in early August of 2012, there should be no reason to panic now. Hey, I'm not saying this will turn out well. On the positive side, Brian Sabean has a nice track record. On the negative side, there certainly aren't as many pieces out there as there were. On the positive side, there will be trades available. On the negative side, the Giants still have three big holes to fill. My point isn't that this will turn out well and that you'll be wrong. My point is that it's too early to tell (much as was the case in early August of 2012). Just admit you were wrong in 2012 and that you might be wrong this time too. And then you'll be right with the rest of us in hoping that you ARE wrong. Certainly it could go either way. Yes, the Giants are off to a very slow start. That could mean they'll finish close to last in the off-season. Or it could mean they'll be like Mine That Bird in the Kentucky Derby. Will the Giants lag behind the field the entire race, or will they be Silky Sullivan? Either way, I don't think they're horsing around. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2627/giants-re-sign-sergio-romo?page=1#ixzz3MDaAvd3S |
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Post by Rog on Dec 17, 2014 23:34:27 GMT -5
Regarding Romo, Jon Heyman says his 0.93 WHIP is the lowest EVER for any pitcher who has pitched as many innings as he has. And his 0.95 this season was barely off his career mark and was 0.13 better than his 2013 mark.
Until we see all the Giants' moves, I really can't rate this signing (although I don't think I'll go overboard either way). But the Giants have just re-signed one of the most underrated relievers in the game, probably underrated even by this board.
We were highly critical of him in early 2010, and all he did was finish with a 0.97 WHIP. We were highly critical of him at mid season this year, and all he did was finish with a 0.95 WHIP.
Sergio's problem this past season was that he had Hunter Strickland disease -- too many home runs. But that hasn't really been a problem for him over his career. His 0.8 HR/9 is better than average.
The first half of last season Sergio was pretty awful, mostly just before the season's mid point. But the second half and in the post season, he was excellent. I think we have been overwhelmed by his mid season difficulties and forgotten how good he was in the second half.
From August on, Sergio was about as good as any reliever in the game. Why are we so down on him? We seem to become overwhelmed by small, negative samples.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 18, 2014 8:12:36 GMT -5
As long as Bochy doesn't kid himself and think Romo can get through a bunch of power hitting lefties, Sergio is still very effective. And let's not forget that while Bryce Harper was ripping Giants pitchers apart, the one pitcher who was able to get him out in key situations was Sergio Romo. I can't even picture him in another uniform.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 18, 2014 14:06:38 GMT -5
Here is where some of the players signed or left are rated among the crop of free agents by Heyman
Dood - the ratings are meaningless since they do not include the FAs that are already signed...i.e. the ones that were actually wanted. What's left is the crap that are essentially fall-back plans
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 18, 2014 14:35:19 GMT -5
Rx - Despite the fact that both Romo and his dad desperately wanted him to be a Dodger (oops Dood!) the Giants have re-signed Sergio to a 2 yr 15 million dollar deal
Dood - I think this speaks to a couple different things. I think Sergio found out not many teams were willing to offer him the closer's spot. I also think the Dodgers dropped the ball because even though I was wrong about them snapping up Romo, who nobody will convince me he does NOT want to be a Dodger, the Dogs made a huge mistake not adding a guy like Romo.
I still HIGHLY dislike Romo and his dad severely dissing SF and the entire Bay Area in such a blatant way.
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Post by Islandboagie on Dec 18, 2014 15:04:38 GMT -5
Randy- I still HIGHLY dislike Romo and his dad severely dissing SF and the entire Bay Area in such a blatant way.
Boagie- Remind me again how they "dissed" the entire Bay Area?
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 18, 2014 15:47:47 GMT -5
in ads promoting a certain german car dealership, Romo's dad and he spent 30 seconds stating in great detail how life is so much better in every way in LA than in SF. Actually it was the dad doing most of the dissing but Sergio didn't appear to be in specific disagreement on any of the points
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Post by Islandboagie on Dec 18, 2014 17:52:45 GMT -5
That was a joke, making light of the rivalry and Romo's roots in the LA area. I have a hard time taking it any other way.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 18, 2014 18:33:37 GMT -5
Maybe it's because you don't live here but people in this area don't take kindly to Socal jokes at our expense...particularly when it comes from someone who wants us to cheer FOR him.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 19, 2014 8:17:22 GMT -5
It certainly hasn't diminished the love Romo gets from all other Giants fans, Dood. You seem to be the only one bothered by it. Maybe you're missing the joke that everyone else got.
I just watched the ad and found it funny. I don't see the ad as insulting either way. In fact the only real knock at a team is directed at the Dodgers, when the father basically says the car is too expensive for him because he's not on the LA payroll, meaning he's not being overpaid like the rest of the Dodgers. By the way, Dood, I'm betting neither Sergio or his dad wrote that ad!
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 19, 2014 13:20:54 GMT -5
I know plenty of Giants fans who are not happy at all about the blatant disrespect shown by Romo in those ads. Mike Krukow grew up a Dodger fan in the San Fernando Valley. He went to many games at Chavez Ravine as a kid, cheering on our hated rivals. But from the time he was a Giants player, he has been smart enough to know not to make tasteless jokes demeaning SF and the Bay Area.
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Post by Rog on Dec 19, 2014 13:24:21 GMT -5
Rog -- Here is where some of the players signed or left are rated among the crop of free agents by Heyman Dood - the ratings are meaningless since they do not include the FAs that are already signed...i.e. the ones that were actually wanted. What's left is the crap that are essentially fall-back plans Rog -- Let's use some logic here. There are 30 teams out there that would like to improve themselves. The top 50 free agents make up less than two per team. Those ratings ARE meaningful in that if we want to take out the players who have already been chosen, it's not very tough to do so. You have never given us a plan for how the Giants should/should have spent their $30 million, have you, Randy? I have to say then that their plan is better than yours. Tell us your plan, and maybe it will indeed be better. Until then, complaining about what they are doing is merely spitting into the wind. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2627/giants-re-sign-sergio-romo#ixzz3MMu1bUNj |
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:00 GMT -5
The Giants obviously thought their best "in house" option this past year was Hunter Strickland and how did that work out in the postseason?
Dood - Strickland was rushed up from AA before he was ready mostly because Juan Gutierrez was getting shelled. I would have gone with Kontos, personally. I expect Hunter will be ready the next time he's in the playoffs.
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Post by Rog on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:58 GMT -5
Randy -- Maybe it's because you don't live here but people in this area don't take kindly to Socal jokes at our expense...particularly when it comes from someone who wants us to cheer FOR him. Rog -- Then that's our problem, isn't it? Let's ask ourselves this: If we were from another part of the country, how would we like San Francisco calling itself The City? Personally I don't think it's a big deal and like the monicker. But if others take the attitude above, they would think us highly elitist. Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor anymore? I guess that's why I love my fiance so much. We can laugh at just about anything -- including ourselves, which are our best targets. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2627/giants-re-sign-sergio-romo?page=1#ixzz3MMyVa8Yt |
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Post by Rog on Dec 19, 2014 13:30:37 GMT -5
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