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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 21, 2014 18:20:14 GMT -5
You get to make your own pick.
The Hindenburg? Titantic after it hit the iceberg?
Pick any disaster. This weekend, in sports terms, is right up there with all of them
A monumental collapse in pretty much all aspects of the game.
Like I said; this is looking more and more like One and Done...IF we even make it in.
How many called third strikes this weekend?
How many fastballs did Pence, and Morse, and Panik and others swing through?
No adjustment to the way they were pitched.
None at all.
If I had a towel in my hands, I'd be waving it.
It's like someone shoved a pea up their collective fannies, and they're all squeezing their fannies as tightly as it can so it won't fall out.
Pathetic.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 21, 2014 21:34:50 GMT -5
It now appears the Giants could lose out on the top Wild Card position, and they might even fall out of the playoffs altogether. But even though it now seems unlikely, the Giants could still have the Dodgers in their sights.
Baseball is a funny game, and people would be just as surprised if the Giants swept the Dodgers as they are now that the Padres have buffaloed the Giants.
The most likely scenario right now is that the Giants would win the second and final Wild Card spot. Odds are the Giants will make the playoffs, and it could go either way for #1 or #2 Wildcard. The Giants lose a tie, so the odds favor #2.
But if we know anything, it's that we just don't know. Almost anything could happen. A week from now we'll know.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 22, 2014 7:21:27 GMT -5
I still expect the Giants to get that first wild card on the virtue of four at home with San Diego this weekend. To say the Padres are not the same team on the road is the understatement of the year. Either way, it's Bumgarner pitching I'm sure, so I like the chances in a one game playoff at home or at Pittsburgh. As for the dreadful offense, we've seen it all year and we've also seen them snap out of it too. They could snap out of it just like that come playoff time, so I'm not going to wring my hands over this lost weekend in San Diego. One thing we know, and that's when the playoff pressure ramps up, the Giants have been there done that.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 22, 2014 11:30:59 GMT -5
Man, Rog and Mark. You guys see a silver lining that I simply do not.
Right now, my wife is hiding all sharp implements around the house.
After Sunday's loss, I was pretty much inconsolable.
As a former player, I take these choking moments personally.
I saw little to No effort to adjust to how the hitters were being pitched.
What... eleventeen hundred routine fly balls to lf?
That tells me those clowns were trying to pull running fastballs.
And I'm just as angry at Pence for swinging through and MISSING no less than 15 hittable pitches over the weekend.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 22, 2014 13:39:15 GMT -5
Boly -- Man, Rog and Mark. You guys see a silver lining that I simply do not. Rog -- I don't see a silver lining. I was mostly just presenting the facts. Incidentally, is it possible the Giants didn't choke but simply played badly? As badly as the Giants have played in their past eight games, they still have 15 wins in the last 24 games. What were we expecting? Don't we realize teams have their up's and down's? Would we have liked to see the Giants play a lot better their past eight games? Of course we would. But if people believe in being "due," which apparently is the case with some here, weren't the Giants "due" for a slump after winning 13 out of 16? One think that seems different this year is that with this recent slump, the Giants haven't played as well in September as in 2010 and 2012. But they have a week to change that. I find this eerily similar to 1962 in the Giants trail by four on the loss side with seven games left in the season. The Giants forced a playoff in 1962. There is a chance -- not a likely one -- that they will do so again. Unlike 1962, the Giants don't have to beat out the Dodgers in order to gain the postseason. Things are clearly better than they were in 1951 and 1962. Leave the sharp objects for cutting the roast beef. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2469/disasters#ixzz3E4QrAZf4
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 22, 2014 15:59:25 GMT -5
Rog, you can sugar coat it all you like. To me, their INABILITY to stop Sd from scoring and their INABILITY to hit pitchers not named Cashner... was a massive choke.
Like I said, to me it look like someone had shoved a pea up their collective fannies and they were all pinching their butt cheeks tightly so it wouldn't fall out.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 22, 2014 18:19:48 GMT -5
Boly -- Rog, you can sugar coat it all you like. To me, their INABILITY to stop Sd from scoring and their INABILITY to hit pitchers not named Cashner... was a massive choke.
Rog -- I would call it a very poor series at a very inopportune time. Remember, the Giants have still won 15 of their last 24. Shouldn't we consider the natural fluctuations of the game?
How is it that you believe in things being "due," but don't think the Giants were "due" for a slump after winning 13 out of 16?
I think most of our differences come about because I look at things more objectively, and you look at them more passionately.
I did have a bad day yesterday with the Giants, 49ers and Packers losing, just as you did with the Giants and Rams. But, gosh, I still have so many blessings I can somehow get through the day. And I know you have at least as many blessing as I do.
Perhaps I have been more conditioned by the many consecutive years in which the Giants DIDN'T win the World Series. I became a fan in 1955 and thus just missed out on their tremendous success near the beginning of my life.
Sure I'd love the Giants to win the NL West so they could get the better seed. That is particularly important in this year's format. But when the Giants won in 2010, they were the Wild Card entry and were underdogs in all three series. Yet they won it all.
Why can't that happen this year? I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but I haven't EVER expected it to happen. And I have always known they had a shot. And I don't use absolutes very often. I can't remember the last time I did so.
My point is that until we know how this turns out, we don't even know if somehow it would prove to be an ADVANTAGE to be the Wild Card instead of the NL West winner. When it ends, as it likely will, without another World Championship, there will still be a next season, and hopefully we will all be alive to see it.
I am more disturbed about the Giants' window being shorter than I had thought than how they're performing this season. And there is no reason the Giants can't somehow extend the window I am lamenting.
Let's see how it plays out. A friend of mine called it pretty closely when he said that when all is said and done, there is little left to say or do. That's the way it eventually will be. And, sadly, none of us has much to say or do about it.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 22, 2014 20:02:47 GMT -5
Again, Rog, you're sugar coating things, and also playing head games with my words.
I believe in "things being due."
And as to Kershaw, I was right. In his last start against the Cubs, I was listening on the radio and IF the Dodgers hadn't have scored so many runs, they should have lost.
He was not very good.
Terrible command, terrible sllider.
Not my words, his and the Dodger's words.
He was "DUE" and it came to pass.
We won 13 of 16. Were we due to slump?
I say, no.
Not in the stretch, Not after we'd already had such a disasterous melt down.
And I go back to what I said in another post.
A team wide melt down? Again?
A 7 deep lineup, and that shouldn't happen. Not to EVERYONE.
I love your optimism, but I can see the writing on the wall.
boly
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 23, 2014 2:56:41 GMT -5
lol Boly...if I wasn't so worried about your well-being, Id tell you right now to "don't ever change, man." When things go bad you don't believe they will ever go well again. You should know as well as any of us here that baseball is a game of ebbs and flows. Highs and lows. I remember being 42-21 to start the year and right after that we went into a deep funk. As I said before, there are no teams in this league that are unbeatable in a short series this year. It's all about getting hot at the right time...the Giants have 9 games and a few off days to get hot again.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 23, 2014 9:48:37 GMT -5
Hunter Pence looks terrible right now though. I think both he and Sandoval are starting to wear down. How about stopping the macho streak crap and giving Pence a couple of days off? If you care so much about the streak, give him a couple of pinch hitting appearances to keep it going.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 23, 2014 11:37:34 GMT -5
Randy:
I understand how I can come across that way, but it's not quite true; that I panic when things go bad and think they'll never change.
We're at the end of the season; I look for 'signs' that things are likely to change.
I also get extremely angry, more than you know, and frustrated when Major Leaguers play stupid.
Example: Last night. 1st pitch to Ishi...right down the pipe... and I mean, dead center of the plate... and he takes it.
Then, chases a pitch up and away for strike three.
As an ex coach, for a major leaguer? That is unforgiveable in THAT situation.
You've got to be smarter than that.
Count leverage; our hitters GET it, and then swing from the heels at anything even close!
That's not smart.
Pablo is a moron in that respect, but that's his history.
But everyone else?
Again, unforgiveable.
I would be a hard, hard guy to play for.
I DEMAND that brains be used.
I DEMAND that hitters have a plan.
boly
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Post by islandboagie on Sept 23, 2014 13:49:27 GMT -5
Boly, for the love of god, we only have 6 games left. You're not being nearly hard enough on these guys. We need them to win the rest. I expect a monumental rant, ripping the entire team, including Sabean and Bochy. Then i'll feel confident we can pull this out.
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Post by donk33 on Sept 23, 2014 19:30:28 GMT -5
You get to make your own pick.
The Hindenburg? Titantic after it hit the iceberg?
Pick any disaster. This weekend, in sports terms, is right up there with all of them
.dk...after all this time, I still remember The Hindenberg passing over my head on the way to its' destruction ...I went in to listen to its' landing in NJ when it suddenly blew up....I missed out on the Titanic....however, I vaguely remember the Giants blewingbig leads and missing out on the post season...
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 23, 2014 21:01:34 GMT -5
Boly, for the love of god, we only have 6 games left. You're not being nearly hard enough on these guys. We need them to win the rest. I expect a monumental rant, ripping the entire team, including Sabean and Bochy. Then i'll feel confident we can pull this out.
---boly says---
Boagie, great post! I really loved it!!!
I wish I had the mental energy left to write one.
They've broken my heart so often this year that last night, I was just out of gas.
I simply sat there and watched waiting for, and sure it would happen, for the roof to cave in.
That it didn't is a testimoney to their heart and spirit.
That impressed me, as did Blanco's 2 key hits.
Right now, I am where I was in 2012 when each time, we were down out, with NO chance to move on.
They'd exhausted me then, and I'm exhausted now.
I'll watch and I'll root, but with the spike they've driven through my heart this year... well, right now I'm not enjoying this at all.
boly
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