Umpires

[klaiggeb]

Once again, a great example of why I DISPISE them.

Why can't they just call the same zone for 9 innings?

Why can't they call the rule book?

That clown missed dozens upon dozens of pitches for both teams.

He was an equal opportunity jackass.

But of course people say, "well, that's just baseball."

Horse crap.

Call the book.

Call the strikezone the same ALL THE TIME.

This is the Major leagues.

Most of their strikezones are minor league pathetic.

boly

[Rog]

Why is this? Clearly it's because umpiring isn't nearly as easy as it looks. MLB has its choice of the best in the world. So why does it seem to some to be worse than before, even though the umpires are graded electronically almost every game?

. The primary reason is that we have instant replay today to show missed calls more clearly.

. A second one is that runners are becoming more creative in their slides (although for some reason, they often slide OVER the base with their front foot.

. A third is that the game -- from pitching speed to running speed -- happens more quickly than it did.

. A fourth is that pitchers have more pitches and movement is at least as big as it was previously -- likely bigger.

Why complain about umpires, line drives and bloop hits? It's all part of the game.

Even the best pitchers frequently miss with their pitches. If they miss by 8 inches, the ball is right over the middle of the plate. If they miss by twice as much, the pitch is on the other corner and may be a "great" pitch. Bloops fall in, grounders somehow scrape through, and line drives get caught. Players make physical and mental errors.

It's all part of the game. Doesn't mean we should like those things. But it probably does indicate we shouldn't get all riled up about them. Stuff happens. The better team doesn't always win.

[Rog]

Boly -- That clown missed dozens upon dozens of pitches for both teams.

Rog -- Take a look at each pitch on MLB's gameday. I'll be the umpire missed far fewer pitches than you think. I'm not saying he did well. I'm simply saying that "dozens upon dozens of pitches" almost certainly misses as much as any call the umpire made.

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[rxmeister]

Rog, whether Boly is exaggerating or not really isn't the issue. The technology is there to have these pitches called correctly EVERY SINGLE TIME and baseball chooses not to use it. Even when the umpire is a good one, he has his own personal strike zone that each pitcher has to conform to. One guy has a low strike zone the next guy has a high one and the next guy gives width. It's just wrong and it can be fixed so why don't they?

[klaiggeb]

Thank you, Mark.

That is precisely my point.

And Rog, I'll say again, I don't give a rat's patootie what can be seen on the "pictures" of the pitches.

Here are my points.

1-Call the same pitch the same way 99% of the time.

2-Don't float the strike zone.

3-Call the damned rule book.

the umpiring was atrocious, and gets worse every year.

Why you constantly defend these lamiods confounds me.

boly

[Rog]

Mark -- Rog, whether Boly is exaggerating or not really isn't the issue. The technology is there to have these pitches called correctly EVERY SINGLE TIME and baseball chooses not to use it. Even when the umpire is a good one, he has his own personal strike zone that each pitcher has to conform to. One guy has a low strike zone the next guy has a high one and the next guy gives width. It's just wrong and it can be fixed so why don't they?

Rog -- I think the technology is there for umpires not to be needed at all. An administrator could be on the field to solve any issues the technology didn't. I have no problem with it and would prefer it, since it would have better accuracy. But clearly baseball chooses to keep the human element.

What is the big deal either way?

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[Rog]

Mark is suggesting technology could call those pitches, and he is right on. You're saying you don't want that, but yet you despise umpires. Where is the logic?

[Rog]

Boly -- Here are my points.

1-Call the same pitch the same way 99% of the time.

2-Don't float the strike zone.

3-Call the damned rule book.

Rog -- I agree completely. But baseball chooses not to do it that way. Mistakes will still be made, but the strike zone should be the same regardless of the umpire.

So what's the big deal? Baseball chooses not to do it that way. You and I would like to see it done differently. So what? The game is still baseball.

If we don't like the way MLB is doing it, we should be writing them letters instead of complaining about it here. If enough people wrote MLB, perhaps they would begin to pay attention.

If we haven't written our letter yet -- and I know I haven't done so -- we shouldn't really be complaining that much. And let's face it, we watch just as much baseball now as we would if baseball did some of the things we suggest.

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[Rog]

Boly -- the umpiring was atrocious, and gets worse every year.

Rog -- This is your opinion, but I don't believe you have much of anything to back it up.

Boly -- Why you constantly defend these lamiods confounds me.

Rog -- Because I'm far more objective about the situation than you are. You "dispise" them. I wish they would do a better job but also realize there is a human element. I don't so much defend them as argue against your overstatement -- such as "that clown missed dozens upon dozens of pitches." That flat-our isn't true and great erodes your argument.

I believe an argument should start with facts, not emotion. I can be passionate, but I try not to let it get in the way of being objective. Perhaps that is because of all the games I have tried to adjudicate fairly. Perhaps that is simply my personality. Perhaps that is the way I was brought up.

But I can watch a game on multiple levels, and I enjoy that.

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[Rog]

By the way, I still do love you, Boly, but occasionally we do disagree!

[klaiggeb]

I know, Rog. We can disagree and not be mad at each other.

I contend the cheat, and they do it on purpose, favoring a hitter or pitcher or team for whatever the reason.

boly