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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 17, 2014 10:27:42 GMT -5
Without Pagan tonight, here's my line up vs what I think Bochy will do;
boly
Blanco(reluctantly 1 hole)
Panik
Pence
Posey -1B
Sandoval
Susac
Crawford
Perez
Bochy
Perez
Panik
Posey
Pence
Sandoval
Arias -1B
Blanco
Crawford
We'll see, but Bochy seems to be almost REFUSING to play any kid other than Panik, down the stretch.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 17, 2014 13:45:25 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled with Arias' playing first base. I think a lot of that is because I expect some power from my first baseman.
But, really, the guy's hitting the heck out of the ball, and some of the starters may prefer to pitch to Buster. I too come up with lineups I think may be better than Bruce's, but I don't always know all the facts -- not to mention he probably knows more about baseball than I do anyway.
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 17, 2014 15:12:41 GMT -5
As to Bochy REFUSING to play kids down the stretch...Panik, Perez and Susac are in today's lineup
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 17, 2014 15:41:13 GMT -5
Susac is in the lineup?
Color me STUNNED, Randy! Flat out stunned!
Then again, remember, my comment said that OTHER than Panik... he wouldn't play any kids, so he doesn't count.
I also said Bochy WOULD have him in the lineup.
When I said "kids" I meant rookies. Perez is, basically, a 2nd year player, even though he lacks the qualifying at bats.
Brown has had, what, 2? 3?
Other than Panik, Susac is it for the kids.
And I think THE ONLY reason he's in the game is to give Buster an extra "day off," so to speak.
But I'm still stunned.
boly
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Post by Rog on Sept 17, 2014 16:40:21 GMT -5
Sometimes it is one's point of view. One person might say, "Other than Panik, Susac is it for the kids." Another might say, "Look at the Giants, playing not one but two rookies in a key game down the stretch."
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 17, 2014 21:27:02 GMT -5
Actually Arias started at 2B and Panik had the day off, coming in later to hit for Arias against a righty. A rookie, Matt Duffy, was the hero today though!
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Post by donk33 on Sept 18, 2014 0:48:22 GMT -5
Actually Arias started at 2B and Panik had the day off, coming in later to hit for Arias against a righty. A rookie, Matt Duffy, was the hero today though! dk...Crawford had a pretty good game, too.... I think Bochy reads this post...I said they should give Crawford the Posey treatment, some rest one day in 5..or something, as he was playing tired...since he went to the bench, he has come back strong.....I think the same thing has happened to Panik...he looks like he has a tired bat......I think Pence needs to rest occasionally...I admire his working so hard, but he is getting over powered..... |
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 18, 2014 7:07:38 GMT -5
I think we've been reminded that over the course of a 162 game season, a player will usually find his own level. We saw it with Blanco and Arias, who struggled so much early, but now have numbers more in line with their usual career numbers. Brandon Crawford is not a good hitter, but he's better than .220. As DK said, with the proper usage he should have a hot finish as he finds his usual level of production.
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Post by Rog on Sept 18, 2014 11:36:25 GMT -5
What Mark said here makes good sense. That is pretty much what was said here in late August when he was hitting in the .220's. The comment was that he wasn't going to turn the corner long-term, but that he would at some point bounce back this season.
As Mark pointed out, that's essentially common sense, which we often lose track of when a player or team is really struggling.
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Post by islandboagie on Sept 18, 2014 17:37:19 GMT -5
I also remember a lot of dissapointing season for Posey talk.
I've always maintained that Posey is a strong finisher. 2010, 2012 and now this season Posey has stepped it up considerably during the second half. 2011 he was injured and he had a poor second half in 2013. I claimed in 2013 that the lack of being in a pennant race took that strive away from Posey, Rog disagreed and felt that all athletes are essentially like robots and don't respond to competition. Which brings me to something I heard recently... During one of the recent telecasts Kruk and Kuip were talking about a discussion they had with Posey and the topic of the difference between 2013 and this year came up. Posey admitted that the pennant race played a big part in him having a strong second half.
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 18, 2014 18:12:01 GMT -5
I cant agree with this Boag...some guys get reps as strong starters or bad starters or weak finishers but there are no absolutes because as you did, people can always come up with an excuse for a year that goes against the rep. I think even Buster didn't buy in because he was proactive with a new offseason workout regimen to improve on his poor 2013 second half.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 19, 2014 8:29:40 GMT -5
Randy said what I was going to. Posey wore down down the stretch in 2013, and worked out hard this offseason so it wouldn't happen again. I agree though, Bogey, being in a pennant race is a strong factor too. A highly motivated player is going to perform better.
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 19, 2014 12:07:44 GMT -5
I think Buster is professional enough to be motivated whether the team is in the hunt for the playoffs or not
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Post by Rog on Sept 19, 2014 14:17:51 GMT -5
Don -- I think Bochy reads this post.
Rog -- That's what I heard him say on the Bruce Bochy Show the other day!
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Post by Rog on Sept 19, 2014 14:30:03 GMT -5
Boagie -- I claimed in 2013 that the lack of being in a pennant race took that strive away from Posey, Rog disagreed and felt that all athletes are essentially like robots and don't respond to competition.
Rog -- That's an intriguing take on what I said. Here is how Randy put it:
Randy -- I think Buster is professional enough to be motivated whether the team is in the hunt for the playoffs or not
Rog -- Was I talking about professionalism or being a robot, Boagie? By the way, in order not to offend, I posted this very robotically! R2D2, over and out. That's a Roger.
Boagie -- Which brings me to something I heard recently... During one of the recent telecasts Kruk and Kuip were talking about a discussion they had with Posey and the topic of the difference between 2013 and this year came up. Posey admitted that the pennant race played a big part in him having a strong second half.
Rog -- On the face of it, I'm surprised Buster would say that. What I think he was saying though was that he was caught up in the moment of this pennant race. I think he was motivating the pennant race, not that he lacked motivation in 2013.
I would love to see this whole thing in full context, even though I realize that is almost impossible.
Just Wednesday I was thinking how much we love players who can "come up big" in the crucial moments. That usually leads me to ask, what is wrong with these guys? Do they need a big moment in order to motivate themselves? What is their problem the rest of the time if they can't come up with the same kind of effort?
Do I like guys who come up big in the clutch? You bet I do. But those are the guys who also come up big at other times, as well. If not, why can't that player give himself the same motivation when there is less at stake?
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Post by donk33 on Sept 19, 2014 20:00:56 GMT -5
Randy said what I was going to. Posey wore down down the stretch in 2013, and worked out hard this offseason so it wouldn't happen again. I agree though, Bogey, being in a pennant race is a strong factor too. A highly motivated player is going to perform better. dk...the stretch for Posey in 2013 started at the all-star game....and continued on at the start of 2014... |
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