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Post by islandboagie on Aug 11, 2014 21:53:44 GMT -5
I guess Robin Williams watched the series with Kansas City.
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Post by Rog on Aug 12, 2014 1:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 12, 2014 7:12:58 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with joking about sad things to feel better, Rog. I made a similar joke to my son last night. That's the way people cope with bad news. Robin Williams was a legend and we all feel the same loss with his passing.
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Post by Rog on Aug 12, 2014 8:06:26 GMT -5
After thinking about it, Robin isn't likely to have been bothered by the joke and probably would have enjoyed it himself. The Giants on the other hand ...
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Post by islandboagie on Aug 12, 2014 14:09:45 GMT -5
I don't discredit your first response, Rog. Perhaps it was a little tacky and too soon.
However, the punchline of the joke was aimed at the despicable way the Giants played against the Royals, not Robin Williams' passing.
Just so we're clear..I was a big fan of Robin Williams. I grew up with Happy Days and Mork and Mindy. I saw just about all his movies purely because he was in them. Great talent, great energy, and a great man.
I didn't just carelessly throw out a joke because someone died. I RARELY comment on anything outside of the Giants here, but his passing was meaningful enough for me that I feel it was worth mentioning here. After all, he was a Giants fan, a Bay Area native, and on a larger scale, in my opinion he was the greatest entertainer in this era. Not because he had the best stand up routine (because I can think of better) and not because his movies were the best (I can think of better ones) it's because he never broke character. He was always funny, enlightening and entertaining. He will be missed.
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Post by islandboagie on Aug 12, 2014 14:32:26 GMT -5
This topic I think raises the question...who are the top 10 comedic entertainers of the past 30 years? I was thinking top 5 but I think you could make an argument for more than 5 being the best overall.
I'm on my lunch break so I can't put too much thought into it, but some names stick out (Steve Martin, Bill Murray, Gene Wilder...ect.)
Anyone care to give their top 10?
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Post by Rog on Aug 12, 2014 15:54:54 GMT -5
I overreacted, Boagie, but it's nice to see you understand.
As for the top 10 comedic entertainers, I'm not that well versed, although clearly Robin belongs in the group and for me, heads it.
I'm big on Michael Keaton. 30 years might be stretching it, but Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther series was a personal favorite.
Two movie notes:
. I don't track movies much, but I'm very eager to see "When the Game Stands Tall" as soon as it comes out a week from Friday. It's based on the fabulous De La Salle football team, but I suspect it will be a movie one doesn't have to be a sports fan to get a lot out of.
. If you are looking for a Red Box movie or a Pay Per View movie online, I don't think you can do much better than "Instructions Not Included." My fiance HATES subtitles, and almost walked out when the movie had a lot of them at the beginning. But she stuck with it, and now says it is her favorite movie. It's certainly one of mine, as well.
It's a marvelous comedy -- but also far more.
I would enjoy feedback on either movie if anyone here sees either of them.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 12, 2014 20:31:54 GMT -5
It's time to blow this ship up and start from scratch. Either due to the erosion of body parts or the erosion of talent, the Giants teams that won us rings this decade are done doing that. We need to cut the cord and start anew, even if that means going through some rough rebuilding years. The Giants scouting has proven it sucks...get rid of most of them. The old broken down vets are past their time. We should get rid of most of them too. Trades for some young up and comers would help--maybe not right away but soon. We need to make some deals with an eye to the future because the past and present is freakin DEAD. And if you arent going to spend big money on a huge name INTL talent, then start spending more money scouting the young ones that could become that
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 13, 2014 11:06:23 GMT -5
Randy--It's time to blow this ship up and start from scratch
---boly says---
Which is exactly what I said a month ago, Randy.
Time to re tool. Start over.
A lot of these clowns HAVE TO GO, starting with Lincecum and Blanco, and continuing on with Hector Sanchez and Crawford.
But of course, you know they won't.
boly
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Post by Rog on Aug 13, 2014 13:17:16 GMT -5
There is a good chance that the Giants' 2015 team will look much different than the one that began this season. But how does Brian Sabean go about doing that?
He likely can't trade Tim Lincecum's contract.
Gregor Blanco has very little trade value.
Hector Sanchez could bring back a little, but probably not a lot.
Crawford would have the best trade value. Assuming Joe Panik can handle the keystone, the Giants would have Matt Duffy and Ehire Adrianza as shortstop possibilities.
Coming off an injury, Matt Cain's contract would make him tough to trade.
Pablo Sandoval, Ryan Vogelsong, Mike Morse and Sergio Romo are free agents at the end of the season, and Tim Hudson will be a free agent a year after that.
Some of the relievers have trade value. Angel Pagan and Brandon Belt have value.
If we're going to blow it up and start over again, do we trade Buster Posey? Hunter Pence? Madison Bumgarner?
If the Giants are truly a 42-21 team, why would we want to start over?
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2014 15:25:04 GMT -5
I want Lincecum gone too but I doubt we can trade his contract and mainly because he still has this "I want ONLY Hector to catch me" thing going on. I KNEW when they started this whole personal catcher thing that it would be a disaster and it has been. Tim needs to stop being such a crybaby and grow some BALLS already.
Release Blanco if we have to. He plays great in the field, but he can't hit to save his life.
If you like Crawford but hate Blanco, I don't really get that. Both are mainly all glove, no hit...although Brandon isnt even fielding anymore.
I disagree that Matt's value will be harshly impacted by the surgery. We may need him to make a few starts to convince people but the bone chips removal is a very non-invasive procedure and most teams know this. We could get a good number of prospects for him, I'd wager.
Basically I'm saying nobody should be untouchable...including Sabean, Bobby Evans and Jim Barr. We need to spend, spend, spend. On FAs, both international and domestic...and especially on scouting and development. The latter division has let us down BIG time!!
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 13, 2014 17:58:27 GMT -5
Randy---If you like Crawford but hate Blanco, I don't really get that. Both are mainly all glove, no hit...although Brandon isnt even fielding anymore.
---boly says---
HOpefully you've noticed I've SOURED on Crawford.
I thought he would be a .260/.270 guy with 10-12 HRs...
He's regressed.
I'm not saying Duffy is the guy, all I'm saying is that Brandon's EARNED a spot on the pine.
Bad at bats, no plan when he goes up there, long swing.
Right now, he sits, Duffy plays.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 14, 2014 10:36:18 GMT -5
How did this thread about Robin Williams become a thread about the team? Focus, gentlemen!!
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Post by donk33 on Aug 14, 2014 11:57:34 GMT -5
Randy---If you like Crawford but hate Blanco, I don't really get that. Both are mainly all glove, no hit...although Brandon isnt even fielding anymore. ---boly says--- HOpefully you've noticed I've SOURED on Crawford. I thought he would be a .260/.270 guy with 10-12 HRs... He's regressed. I'm not saying Duffy is the guy, all I'm saying is that Brandon's EARNED a spot on the pine. Bad at bats, no plan when he goes up there, long swing. Right now, he sits, Duffy plays. boly dk...I, too, soured on Crawford's hitting, but I give 2 thoughts on his problem...1. Too many triples and homers early on..he started to hit long ball instead of just hitting the ball hard...2. he tires when he plays every day. He needs a break ..maybe 1 day a week....Bochy admitted he needed more rest, but when he was hitting lefties, he decided not to rest him...funny, after his and Panik's recent time on the pine, Bochy puts the two LH batters back in the lineup to face one of the top LH pitchers...why did they bring Duffy back if not to play him in that spot?  Another example of the Giants screwing around with a prospect...Duffy plays SS his whole pro career...just before they call him up to the majors from AA, they move him to 2B for 2 games, then back to SS, and then to 3B...he is called up and put in the game as a 2B.....and if he fails, Rog will say he got his chance..BS... |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 14, 2014 12:54:03 GMT -5
Don, I don't get what they're doing with Duffy either. Now don't get me wrong, I DON'T mind him learning the other infield spots. But like you... IF they're going to bring him up, you can't sit him for 4 days, and then run him out there to play.
Kids can't and don't learn that way.
boly
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Post by Rog on Aug 14, 2014 15:26:55 GMT -5
Don -- if he fails, Rog will say he got his chance..BS..
Rog -- Matt is a good enough prospect that he will get more of a chance than most rookies. Let's not forget that Matt is just 23 years old.
By the way, what does BS stand for? Brilliant Statement? Thanks for the compliment, but I thought the comment was pretty routine myself.
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Post by Rog on Aug 14, 2014 15:30:47 GMT -5
Boly -- IF they're going to bring him up, you can't sit him for 4 days, and then run him out there to play.
Rog -- The Giants DID sit Matt for five days, but then they played him for 3 straight. Remember, they were going to send him down except for an injury. Right now, Matt is here to help in the best way possible more than he's here to develop.
His time will come. In fact, he's just an injury away from being pretty much an everyday starter.
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Post by Rog on Aug 14, 2014 15:36:28 GMT -5
Six years ago I said Brandon Crawford wasn't going to be a good hitter, even though he was hitting .371/1.045 at the time. I've been criticized for that prognostication -- and I could still be wrong -- but now our overall opinion of Brandon at the plate has dropped from fair to poor.
Do you know how counter-intuitive it is to say that a guy won't be a good hitter when he is just 22 years old and is hitting .371?
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 14, 2014 18:27:35 GMT -5
And Rog, it appears as if, once again, you've hit it right on the bullseye.
For me, this was Brandon's make or break season with the bat. Either he improved, and proved me right, or he didn't, and proved me wrong.
You called it. Well done!
boly
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 14, 2014 21:01:18 GMT -5
Rx - How did this thread about Robin Williams become a thread about the team? Focus, gentlemen!!
Dood - correct me if I'm mistaken here but weren't you one of those who wanted ONLY baseball posts here?
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Post by islandboagie on Aug 14, 2014 21:39:31 GMT -5
Six years ago I said Brandon Crawford wasn't going to be a good hitter, even though he was hitting .371/1.045 at the time. I've been criticized for that prognostication -- and I could still be wrong -- but now our overall opinion of Brandon at the plate has dropped from fair to poor.
Do you know how counter-intuitive it is to say that a guy won't be a good hitter when he is just 22 years old and is hitting .371?
Boagie- Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say he wouldn't be able to hit well enough to stick at the major league level?
I have been one of Crawford's biggest supporters, but I never really expected great success with the bat. However, its worth noting that Crawford's OPS is the highest it's ever been. Of course, most of his good hitting came in April and May. Right now he's struggling, but the season isnt over, he can still turn it around and finish strong.
If you ask me, Crawford has dissapointed me most in his frequency of booting routine plays.
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 14, 2014 21:58:42 GMT -5
Dood, I want baseball posts here, but why start talking about the Giants and what they need to do when the topic of this particular post is Robin Williams? Every other thread here is about baseball, you could have put your comments on any of them. If you don't see the error in that, I'm sorry.
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Post by donk33 on Aug 14, 2014 23:45:23 GMT -5
Six years ago I said Brandon Crawford wasn't going to be a good hitter, even though he was hitting .371/1.045 at the time. I've been criticized for that prognostication -- and I could still be wrong -- but now our overall opinion of Brandon at the plate has dropped from fair to poor. Do you know how counter-intuitive it is to say that a guy won't be a good hitter when he is just 22 years old and is hitting .371? dk...and you were pretty quiet when Crawford was bringing his average up close to .300 and hurt his fingers...or when he was hitting with power this year before his slump.... |
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Post by Rog on Aug 15, 2014 1:44:31 GMT -5
Boly -- And Rog, it appears as if, once again, you've hit it right on the bullseye. For me, this was Brandon's make or break season with the bat. Either he improved, and proved me right, or he didn't, and proved me wrong. You called it. Well done! Rog -- Thanks. I wish that I had been wrong, and there is still the possibility I ultimately will do so. Brandon his well last season until his hand injury, and he got off to a marvelous start to 2014. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2410/passing-legend#ixzz3ARNRHLWa |
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Post by Rog on Aug 15, 2014 1:48:10 GMT -5
Boagie- Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say he wouldn't be able to hit well enough to stick at the major league level? Rog -- It's been a long time, but I'm pretty sure I simply said he wouldn't be a good hitter. One thing I didn't know then was how good a defensive shortstop he would become. Because of that, I don't by any means think he's been a washout as a player, but his hitting and his sometime failure to make routine plays in the field are sometimes baffling. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2410/passing-legend?page=1&scrollTo=21885#ixzz3ARNx6mDo |
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Post by Rog on Aug 15, 2014 1:54:22 GMT -5
dk...and you were pretty quiet when Crawford was bringing his average up close to .300 and hurt his fingers...or when he was hitting with power this year before his slump... Rog -- REALLY, Don, when have you ever known me to be quiet?  What I actually said back then was that Brandon was surprising me with how well he was hitting. I also asked in a post what he was doing differently mechanically and was disappointed when no one expressed an answer. I had read about a few changes, and I wondered if anyone else had noticed the same things the blogger had. One of the things I have a hard time with is that while I think there are those here who know mechanics well, there is little discussion about when a player changes his. Little discussion of how a player is changing his mechanics and is about to go into a slump or a hot streak. I recall Boly's saying last season that when he saw Brandon Belt walk to the plate in one at bat, he knew Brandon was going to hit. And indeed Brandon did hit. That type of discussion is something I wish we had a lot more of. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2410/passing-legend?page=1&scrollTo=21886#ixzz3AROszDdN |
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 15, 2014 2:42:07 GMT -5
Rx - Dood, I want baseball posts here, but why start talking about the Giants and what they need to do when the topic of this particular post is Robin Williams? Every other thread here is about baseball, you could have put your comments on any of them. If you don't see the error in that, I'm sorry.
Dood - because, as you pointed out plenty of times, this is a baseball (and more specifically a Giants) board. And furthermore it is an open forum in a free country. You will never see me complain about someone going off the original topic of any thread. If you want to talk more about Williams, you are free to do so on this thread or by creating another one.
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 15, 2014 8:53:07 GMT -5
Why create another Robin Williams thread when you're just going to change it by talking about the Giants? LOL. No problem with you Randy, talk about whatever you want.
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Post by islandboagie on Aug 15, 2014 9:33:53 GMT -5
Actually my original post was about Robin Williams AND the Giants. You guys were free to take it wherever you wanted.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 15, 2014 9:34:18 GMT -5
Rog--One of the things I have a hard time with is that while I think there are those here who know mechanics well, there is little discussion about when a player changes his. Little discussion of how a player is changing his mechanics and is about to go into a slump or a hot streak.
---boly says---
I think that, often, Rog, the changes a hitter makes are subtle, and that's why no one comments on them.
I remember Boagie mentioning "sling" in Cain's deliverly last year. No one else saw it. I saw something "funny" but couldn't identify it until Boagie pointed it out.
Someone also pointed out that all of a sudden, Belt had begun "lining up his knuckles." A fundamental to being able to get the bat to snap through a swing, and use your wrists.
Crawford opened his feet up a tad this year... but it was so subtle, unless you knew what you were looking for, you missed it.
I know I did.
I get hung up in where a hitter's hands are, because IMHO, THAT'S where their problems start.
Bottom line: fans tend to look at the results, and little more.
I would be one of the exceptions, and I think you would be too. We seem to 'see' things that others don't.
Don sees things with Posey that the rest of us don't. Doesn't make him wrong, just that his 'focus' is different than ours.
If I were asked to help Crawford, and a LOT OF HITTERS, I'd start with their hands. More specifically, that back elbow.
I've said this before. I'm from the Charlie Lau school of hitting. I do NOT want that back elbow WAY UP, as tends to be taught.
Upon initiation of the swing, it often, very often causes a subtel "loop" in the swing and thus you can't square the ball up.
You want the elbow up a tad, fine... but way up? Like Crawford and so many streaky hitters? No way.
boly
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Another example of the Giants screwing around with a prospect...Duffy plays SS his whole pro career...just before they call him up to the majors from AA, they move him to 2B for 2 games, then back to SS, and then to 3B...he is called up and put in the game as a 2B.....and if he fails, Rog will say he got his chance..BS...