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Post by rxmeister on Jul 29, 2014 16:10:15 GMT -5
Told you so! See you in 2016, Matt. In other roster news, Juan Perez and Travis Ishikawa up, Duvall down and Abreu DFA'd.
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Post by Rog on Jul 29, 2014 16:35:14 GMT -5
I wonder if bringing Travis up says anything about the timing of Brandon Belt's return? Maybe Travis merely goes back down when Brandon returns, although I think Travis would need to be DFA'd to do so.
Maybe Juan will get time against southpaws, since he will be the only right-handed hitting outfielder on the bench. Juan has hit very well at Fresno, while Travis had been hitting only so-so the last time I looked.
I wasn't sold on Duvall when he was called up, but I'm glad the Giants took the gamble with him. Adam has a ton of power, and perhaps he can get straightened out to where he CAN contribute. I'm more hopeful than optimistic.
Just a hunch on my part, but calling up Perez, who can easily be optioned again, might indicate the Giants are close on acquiring a center fielder. And Travis' left-handed bat's replacing Adam's right-handed swing might indicate that center fielder will hit from the right side. I think that would be ideal, although I just don't know who's available to fit that entire role. Less than 48 hours from now, we'll know all non-waiver trades the Giants will be making.
This year looks like a tough time to deal, but I'm almost always excited this time of year.
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Post by Rog on Jul 29, 2014 16:37:57 GMT -5
Regarding Matt, it would be nice if the Giants could somehow pick up another emergency starter. The Giants are still just another injury away from Petit, not that Yusmeiro is a total wipe out in that role.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 29, 2014 17:31:51 GMT -5
Petit seems to do better when it's a last second surprise start, so I prefer he stay out of the rotation. If another pitcher gets hurt, I'd even prefer a Kickham call up to seeing Petit. As for Ishikawa, I don't know his overrall numbers, but he's been hitting lately.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 29, 2014 20:13:36 GMT -5
2016. Good call, Mark.
And why am I not surprised.
Boagie first picked up on it last year when he talked about there being "sling" in Matt's delivery.
I HAVE pitched with a sore arm.
Bouton is right. You can throw through the pain. You just won't be very good nor consistant.
Sound like a Matt Cain scenario?
It does to me.
As to Ishikaw, Lord, I hope you're right about coming up with a RH hitting outfielder.
I'm betting it's Denorfia.
Lord I DON'T want Rios!
They may want Travis because of his experience off the bench.
Shows how badly we're scrapping the bottom of the barrell.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 29, 2014 21:28:32 GMT -5
Rios is having a good year. Why wouldn't you want him?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 30, 2014 9:19:37 GMT -5
Mark-Rios is having a good year. Why wouldn't you want him?
---boly says---
Mark, I can think of a number of reasons, starting with his defense.
Secondly, he's not a CF. We already have a guy like him in LF.
Thirdly 4 HRs? In that live yard?
No thanks. I'll pass
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Post by Rog on Jul 30, 2014 10:54:05 GMT -5
Boly -- Mark, I can think of a number of reasons, starting with his defense. Rog -- Alex used to be a pretty good defender, and he still appears to be OK. Boly -- Secondly, he's not a CF. We already have a guy like him in LF. Rog -- When was the last time Michael Morse stole 42 bases? Rios did so last year. Boly -- Thirdly 4 HRs? In that live yard? Rog -- Alex hasn't had much power this year (.127 Isolated Power, or power above batting average). But he also leads the American League in triples with 8. That shows a bit of power -- and a speed that is still pretty good (16 stolen bases so far this season). Boly -- No thanks. I'll pass Rog -- Alex bats right-handed and is hitting .305. He still appears to have above-average to good speed. He has a right-fielder's arm. The Rangers are willing to eat salary. Doesn't this one come down to how much the Giants are willing to give up? For perspective, after the 2007 season, the Giants considered trading Tim Lincecum for Rios and a couple of lesser pieces. Brian Sabean said he was going to think about it over the weekend. That was one of the longest weekends of my life. Rios is a two-time All-Star, and just two years ago he finished 15th in the MVP voting. I've never been a huge fan because he makes too many outs. But with the Giants needing a right-handed hitting outfielder, I certainly wouldn't reject Alex out of hand. Rios is 33, so should the Giants wish to re-sign him, he shouldn't be at the end of his career. How often can a team trade for a .305 hitter (.280 lifetime with above-average power)? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2389/matt-cain-dr-andrews#ixzz38y0BSnIg |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 30, 2014 12:13:28 GMT -5
Roger, I've never seen Rios play but a little.
And from everything I've read about him contradicts a lot of what you posted.
#1-He's a below average defender. The article I read stated we already had one Morse in the OF, we didn't need two.
#2-The implication was, though not a clubhouse problem, he's very self centered.
Just telling you what I've read, Rog, and I've read it in more than one place. I believe SF Gate was one.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jul 30, 2014 13:13:36 GMT -5
Boly -- #1-He's a below average defender. The article I read stated we already had one Morse in the OF, we didn't need two. Rog -- About 15 minutes ago, I came across the article you read over at The McCovey Chronicles. It said virtually the same things you had said. A couple of points though: . Rios ISN'T Morse in the outfield; he's quite a bit better. Usually if a guy plays 3500 innings in center field over his career, he's at least an average outfielder. No doubt Rios has lost some range, but he was still fast enough last season to steal 42 bases. . Rios stole 42 bases last season. Morse has stolen 6 in his 10-year career. Doesn't a comparison of the two seem questionable at best? For me, it comes down to cost. I would reject almost nothing out of hand. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2389/matt-cain-dr-andrews#ixzz38ya1aplR |
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Post by Rog on Jul 30, 2014 13:27:42 GMT -5
Here's a comparison of Rios and Morse in the field so far this season:
. They're virtually equal on routine plays (90% to 100% chance).
. Rios is at 93% on likely plays (60% to 90%), while Morse is at 71%.
. Rios is at 33% on even plays (40% to 60%), while Morse is at 0%.
. Neither player has made an impossible (0%) play or an unlikely one (10% to 40%), but Rios is at 11% on remote plays (1% to 10%), while not surprisingly, Morse has made none.
It appears Rios is somewhere around an average outfielder, while Morse is clearly below-average. Morse appears to me to be a better first baseman than left fielder. I can see Rios in right field in AT&T, while I just can't see Morse there.
I believe Grant Brisbee made an overstatement when he said Rios was another Morse defensively. Grant's not wrong too often, but I believe he is this time.
I wouldn't give up a lot for Rios, but I certainly wouldn't rule him out entirely. He'd probably cost too much, but one never knows.
It's looking like a lot of the deals that happen will go right down to the wire.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 30, 2014 16:41:34 GMT -5
Rog, if we don't come up with a CF/Leadoff guy, any 1 year deal we make is moot.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jul 30, 2014 18:37:11 GMT -5
Boly -- Rog, if we don't come up with a CF/Leadoff guy, any 1 year deal we make is moot. Rog -- Probably right. But the Giants may already have the CF/lead off guy in Pagan, and trading for Rios might not be only a one-year situation. The Giants are very unlikely to exercise his $13.5 million option for next season, but they might re-sign him at a lower price. Because of impending free agency, I don't expect Rios to command an arm and a leg in trade. The guy I like is Ben Zobrist, but I do think he'll command quite a bit. I think the Giants will pull the trigger on a lesser light than either Rios or Zobrist. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2389/matt-cain-dr-andrews#ixzz38zuB91r8 |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 30, 2014 18:50:50 GMT -5
I like Ben, too. But he's not exactly an "impact" guy, and he's not really a 1 hole hitter.
And you have so much more confidence in Pagan coming back healthy, for more than a month or two, than I do.
Back problems.
Sound familiar?
For me, one word sums it up.
S C U T A R O
Don't get me wrong, I think Panik can someday be a decent player.
As you said, a 2 hole kind of guy.
He'll need to grow into his role, and that takes time.
Maybe next year.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jul 30, 2014 19:19:46 GMT -5
Boly -- I like Ben, too. But he's not exactly an "impact" guy, and he's not really a 1 hole hitter. Rog -- I think he'd make a very good lead off man. He's gotten on base 36% of the time this year, and he can steal the occasional base. I think he may be a tiny bit too good to bat there, but I don't think it would pose a problem for him. As for impact, he's on pace for about 5 Wins Above Replacement this season and would be right up there with the Giants' leaders. Zobrist is likely one of those players who is highly underrated. Especially one considers his Swiss Army Knife qualities. Boly -- And you have so much more confidence in Pagan coming back healthy, for more than a month or two, than I do. Rog -- I'm sorry if I'm conveyed that impression. The reason I have been saying for close to a month that the Giants' #1 need is an outfielder stems from Pagan's health problems and the potential for Morse's "catching" them as well. Boly -- Don't get me wrong, I think Panik can someday be a decent player. As you said, a 2 hole kind of guy. He'll need to grow into his role, and that takes time. Maybe next year. Rog -- I've been a little disappointed in Joe's inability to take the bit and run away with it, but he also hasn't hit in the very best of luck. When he came up, I said I believed he would become a .290-ish hitter, although perhaps not this year. It still wouldn't shock me if he hit .290 the rest of the way. The Giants might be able to make better use of Joe on the hit and run. He's already an excellent contact hitter. One thing he's not going to do is hit for power -- especially this early in his career. But even though he hasn't been hitting a lick, he has kept some key rallies alive by drawing a walk. But the reason I would so much like to have Ben Zobrist is that Ben would solve the 2nd base situation -- as well as be able to play in a handful of other positions as needed. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2389/matt-cain-dr-andrews#ixzz3905V9DVqRead more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2389/matt-cain-dr-andrews#ixzz39039Xiz6 |
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Post by Rog on Jul 30, 2014 19:21:40 GMT -5
Ben Zobrist might be able to add two more wins to the Giants this season, and there aren't many players available who are likely to fare that well.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 31, 2014 10:13:19 GMT -5
From what I read this morning, Rog, is seems that teams, or maybe it was just the media's hopeful reporting, are asking for the your third born male child and THEN some for guys like Bonafacio, Zobrist and others.
Now I can see a steep price for Zobrist, but Bonifacio?
I'm not a huge fan of his, but he can play many places. He can run and he can hit one hole.
I wouldn't mind him for a 1 year rental, but he's NOT worth the farm, which is seems the team is asking.
Less than 3 hours to go, and my prediction?
We do nothing.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jul 31, 2014 12:43:09 GMT -5
Not a bad prediction. I'm kind of thinking it's 50/50, but there is no way of knowing for a while yet. If the Giants don't make a trade today, I expect them to make a waiver trade later. Brian has mentioned that as a possiblity, and the Giants have been successful with the move in the past.
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Post by Rog on Jul 31, 2014 12:46:09 GMT -5
We were talking about whether Brian Sabean or Billy Beane was the better deadline trader. I'd go with Brian, but if Billy isn't the better of the two, it's not for not trying this July.
Meanwhile, the Giants were at least timely with their acquisition of Jake Peavy. Jake's delivery looks awfully stiff-legged to me, but he appears to be one heck of a competitor. And he makes the Giants' staff even more veteran (let's emphasize experienced rather than old)!
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 1, 2014 8:25:01 GMT -5
I kept reading they were about to get Alex Rios, but it didn't happen. I think the problem there was that he was a rental to the Giants, (probably wouldn't pick up next year's 15 million team option) but the Rangers were asking for a package in line with a player that wasn't a free agent. Sabean said he would be active on the waiver wire, but I think that consists of him blocking players from going to the Dodgers.
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