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Post by Rog on Jul 26, 2014 1:29:07 GMT -5
I think Brian might be the best trade deadline GM (not sure, but I like his chances), but I don't think he's the best overall. Good overall GM who has been very good to excellent at the trade deadline IMO.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 26, 2014 9:51:46 GMT -5
My knock is at ownership not Sabean. In the offseason you can plug holes through free agency and it costs you nothing but money. When you do it at the deadline, it costs you your top prospects. Their reluctance to increase payroll really hurts the minor league system, and if they were smarter they would realize that holding onto top prospects would actually save them money in the long run, because they would be able to use these guys for years before they got expensive. I look for Kyle Crick to join Zack Wheeler on the list of ex-Giants that are excelling elsewhere.
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Post by Rog on Jul 27, 2014 2:48:19 GMT -5
Mark -- Their reluctance to increase payroll really hurts the minor league system Rog -- The Giants' payroll is nearly twice as high as it was just 6 years ago. The payroll has increased over 50% since their World Championship in 2010. That doesn't sound like a reluctance to increase payroll to me. As for trading prospects, they Giants haven't really lost much aside from Zack Wheeler. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2371/ben-zobrist?page=2#ixzz38eUtx42s
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 27, 2014 8:58:43 GMT -5
Yes, they have a high payroll, Rog, nobody is denying that. Do you ever listen to Sabean speak on KNBR though? He is constantly talking about payroll constrictions. This trade yesterday proves it even more. He gave up better prospects than he had to because he wanted the Red Sox to pay as much of Peavy's salary as they would agree to. He has stated next year that he won't be aggressive on the FA market once again, because they need to re-sign their own players. In a vacuum that is fine, but when you have a team in your division with no such payroll restrictions, it's unacceptable. You're shopping in the bargain basement section and they're shopping in Beverly Hills. We look at Peavy, they look at David Price. Yet somehow we sell out every game and they don't. Why do they want to win more than we do?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2014 9:48:59 GMT -5
That's a pretty good description of where each team shops, Mark. Well said. I'll say the same thing in a different way; The Dodgers Shop at Nordstroms (Nordys), the Giants shop at either Target, or Walmart, whichever is open at that time of night. boly
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Post by Rog on Jul 27, 2014 16:07:43 GMT -5
Mark -- In a vacuum that is fine, but when you have a team in your division with no such payroll restrictions, it's unacceptable. Rog -- I usually agree with you, Mark, and I understand what you're saying here. But when my team is in the top quartile spending-wise, I have a hard time criticizing them for not spending more. As a fan, would I like them to? Of course. I'd like to see them sign most of the free agents out there. But on the one hand, we criticize baseball teams for outspending the have-me-not's, then criticize our team for not outspending them by more. Is that logical? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2371/ben-zobrist?page=2#ixzz38hlpxJ7d
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Post by Rog on Jul 27, 2014 16:09:21 GMT -5
The Dodgers shop at Nordstrom's. The Giants shop at Macy's. Lots of other teams shop at Sears. Others shop at Walmart. A few shop at thrift stores.
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