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Randy
Jun 10, 2014 13:16:24 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jun 10, 2014 13:16:24 GMT -5
Has anyone heard from Randy?
Is he okay?
Randy, if you're still reading the board, we miss you. Please let us know you're okay.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Jun 11, 2014 8:27:35 GMT -5
Some people don't post as much when the team is winning because there's nothing to complain about. Others don't post when the team is losing, because it's depressing to talk about it. Hopefully Dood is fine and just enjoying the season. Maybe these last two nights will bring him back!
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Randy
Jun 11, 2014 10:23:26 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 11, 2014 10:23:26 GMT -5
Very humorously put, Mark! The only thing I worry about with Randy is that he's suffering from a debilitating case of Gary Brown withdrawal!
But yes, Randy. We all hope you are doing so spectacularly well that you simply don't have time for us. Just as we wish the same for Mordy, Mike, Erc and others.
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Randy
Jun 11, 2014 11:22:42 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jun 11, 2014 11:22:42 GMT -5
Erc. Whatever happened to that guy? He had some good tickets. First row of the upper deck, right behind the plate. I bought them from him a few times. My daughter loved those seats. Erc was a good guy. I hope he's well.
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Randy
Jun 11, 2014 11:57:07 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jun 11, 2014 11:57:07 GMT -5
I miss Mordy, and Erc, too, as well as Randy.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Jun 11, 2014 14:44:47 GMT -5
I can vouch that Mordy is well, speaking to him on a daily basis. He doesn't want to post for some reason, but he's fine and if you miss him, here's some texts I got from the last two losses. "Vogey not fooling anybody." "Game over." "Just awful." "vogelsuck!" That was Monday of course. Tuesday was "I hope this isn't the beginning of the end. June swoon." "Bochyass" "Awful" "Blancololol" "June swoon continues" Still miss him?
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Randy
Jun 11, 2014 16:31:26 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jun 11, 2014 16:31:26 GMT -5
That's what I miss about him. I went to a game with him once. Nice guy, very high strung. Is he still doing the day trader thing?
Have to admit the phrase "June swoon" has crossed my mind as well, especially with the Dodgers winning so convincingly the last two nights. Hope Cueto can come up big tonight.
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Randy
Jun 11, 2014 18:41:44 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jun 11, 2014 18:41:44 GMT -5
Allen---ve to admit the phrase "June swoon" has crossed my mind as well, especially with the Dodgers winning so convincingly the last two nights. Hope Cueto can come up big tonight.
---boly says---
Yeah... I had that thought, too.
But in all fairness, we've been soooooooooooooooo hot... we had to cool off.
No team can stay that hot forever.
Bound to be a few bumps.
Also, we need to remember how hot Washington has been.
I mean, for crying out loud. Span??? Span?? He's a better than average hitter, and he was on EVERYTHING!
Same with Ramos.
I guess we'll have a better feel tonight and tomorrow.
We manage to win those 2, it's a split.
boly
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Randy
Jun 11, 2014 19:54:06 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jun 11, 2014 19:54:06 GMT -5
Strasburg and Fister are pretty good too.
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Post by rxmeister on Jun 11, 2014 22:07:19 GMT -5
Giants were 6-1 in June going into this series, so I really don't see how June swoon applies. The schedule also gets much easier when Washington leaves town. That being said, Cain looks awful and we might be adding another loss to the ledger tonight. At least the Dodgers lost. And yes, he's still a day trader, making tons of money and telling me how he's broke!
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Randy
Jun 12, 2014 17:01:00 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 12, 2014 17:01:00 GMT -5
Assuming you're not just joking, those texts were amazingly revealing. Even Boly doesn't get THAT depressed during a game!
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Randy
Jun 12, 2014 19:52:29 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jun 12, 2014 19:52:29 GMT -5
Rog--- Quote like Post Options . Post by Guest on 2 hours ago Assuming you're not just joking, those texts were amazingly revealing. Even Boly doesn't get THAT depressed during a game! ---boly says--- You're close, Rog. Not depressed, trying FUMING ANGRY. I'm a very, very bad loser. I really am, and I get so wound up by the game that even with a 7 game lead, I get frustrated and short tempered. I've finally figured it out, though. All we have to do is win 130 + games, lead our division by no less than 15, and I'm fine! Yeah.... that's going to happen. boly
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Post by rxmeister on Jun 13, 2014 8:09:31 GMT -5
Nope, Rog, those were authentic. Typed them straight from my phone. Mordy is definitely one of a kind!
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Randy
Jun 13, 2014 13:42:48 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 13, 2014 13:42:48 GMT -5
When I played, there were few who hated to lose more than I. Same with the Giants.
But over the years I've mellowed a bit, and a single loss doesn't hurt nearly as much -- especially in a 162 game season.
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Randy
Jun 13, 2014 14:24:50 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by islandboagie on Jun 13, 2014 14:24:50 GMT -5
Romo's blown save against Colorado hurt. A Giants loss still ruins my night, however, it's easier to take when we're up by 7+ games.
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Randy
Jun 13, 2014 14:49:12 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 13, 2014 14:49:12 GMT -5
With the exception of Don, I've been a Giants fan through more of their losses than anyone here. One of the toughest came in 1966 IIRC when Ozzie Virgil Sr. helped pull out a late-inning or extra-inning victory over the Pirates on the final day of the season -- only to have Sandy Koufax win for the Dodgers to beat the Giants by one game. That wasn't actually a Giants loss, but you get the idea.
Naturally, McCovey's blast was a killer, and the Giants' loss on October 1, 1982 to the Dodgers comes to mind along with the Salomon Torres game 11 years later.
Trivia: Three times in the live ball era the Giants have won 100 or more games in a season. How did they fare in the postseason in those three years?
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Randy
Jun 13, 2014 16:01:40 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jun 13, 2014 16:01:40 GMT -5
I think it goes like this: 1962. Lost to the Yankees in the World Series. 2003. Lost to the Marlins in the LDS. 1993. Didn't make the postseason. Second in the division to Atlanta, who for some reason played in the Western Division.
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Randy
Jun 14, 2014 4:00:55 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 14, 2014 4:00:55 GMT -5
Outstanding, Allen!
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Randy
Jun 14, 2014 14:46:52 GMT -5
Post by donk33 on Jun 14, 2014 14:46:52 GMT -5
I think it goes like this: 1962. Lost to the Yankees in the World Series. 2003. Lost to the Marlins in the LDS. 1993. Didn't make the postseason. Second in the division to Atlanta, who for some reason played in the Western Division. dk..the worst loss I ever went through was the Dodgers beating the Giants on Mel Ott Night in 1940...Hubbell was the starter and Schhumacker was in relief...Ott made one of the greatest catches against Dolf Camilli in the Giants bull pen, 440' away.....the game ended late at night, I was a 14 year old without a penny in my pocket, all alone and in the middle of Harlem...a long way off from a place I could hitch hike back home ..40 s0me miles...walking out of the Polo Grounds, I ran into one of my Uncles...
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Randy
Jun 15, 2014 12:45:25 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 15, 2014 12:45:25 GMT -5
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Randy
Jun 15, 2014 14:49:26 GMT -5
Post by donk33 on Jun 15, 2014 14:49:26 GMT -5
Don -- Ott made one of the greatest catches against Dolf Camilli in the Giants bull pen, 440' away.. Rog -- I'm guessing that the corner outfielders cheated away from the lines similar to the right fielder at AT&T? dk..of course they did, but the Polo Grounds was a tougher play than the Phone Booth...they had the bull pen right where Ott caught the ball...and the walls were concrete.....
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Randy
Jun 16, 2014 3:16:45 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 16, 2014 3:16:45 GMT -5
Rog -- I'm guessing that the corner outfielders cheated away from the lines similar to the right fielder at AT&T? dk..of course they did, but the Polo Grounds was a tougher play than the Phone Booth...they had the bull pen right where Ott caught the ball...and the walls were concrete.... Rog -- That was a yes, right? I was simply curious as to how the corner outfielders played there -- not in any way trying to demean the catch. I think I know your answer to this, but pretty much every hitter has weaknesses. He can still be a great hitter even with them. Mel Ott was probably in the top three Giants hitters of all time. Mike Krukow told a story the other night though about how Darryl Strawberry owned him until rookie Brad Wellman told him that Darryl had a high leg kick and that because of that, he should be pitched low and inside. Kruk said he did so -- and struck Darryl out three times when they next met. He said he asked the question of Willie Mays, and Willie said that was true even with Mel Ott's high leg kick. (I'm not sure how Willie would know that, although he was indeed a student of the game.) My question is, Don, was Mel's weakness low and inside? Something crossed my mind as Kruk told that story. Wellman, whose dad was once baseball coach at Chabot College I believe, obviously knows a thing or two about the game. I realize I don't know anything about the game beyond the stats, but I have talked quite a bit of baseball with Brad on multiple occasions. Hockey too. (His younger son has played in the NHL, and it was through youth hockey that I met Brad.) Two specifics I recall discussing with him were Salomon Torres and umpire Steve Paleirmo. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2314/randy#ixzz34mstAsS1
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Randy
Jun 16, 2014 15:18:43 GMT -5
Post by donk33 on Jun 16, 2014 15:18:43 GMT -5
Rog -- I'm guessing that the corner outfielders cheated away from the lines similar to the right fielder at AT&T? dk..of course they did, but the Polo Grounds was a tougher play than the Phone Booth...they had the bull pen right where Ott caught the ball...and the walls were concrete.... Rog -- That was a yes, right? I was simply curious as to how the corner outfielders played there -- not in any way trying to demean the catch. I think I know your answer to this, but pretty much every hitter has weaknesses. He can still be a great hitter even with them. Mel Ott was probably in the top three Giants hitters of all time. Mike Krukow told a story the other night though about how Darryl Strawberry owned him until rookie Brad Wellman told him that Darryl had a high leg kick and that because of that, he should be pitched low and inside. Kruk said he did so -- and struck Darryl out three times when they next met. He said he asked the question of Willie Mays, and Willie said that was true even with Mel Ott's high leg kick. (I'm not sure how Willie would know that, although he was indeed a student of the game.) My question is, Don, was Mel's weakness low and inside? Something crossed my mind as Kruk told that story. Wellman, whose dad was once baseball coach at Chabot College I believe, obviously knows a thing or two about the game. I realize I don't know anything about the game beyond the stats, but I have talked quite a bit of baseball with Brad on multiple occasions. Hockey too. (His younger son has played in the NHL, and it was through youth hockey that I met Brad.) Two specifics I recall discussing with him were Salomon Torres and umpire Steve Paleirmo. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2314/randy#ixzz34mstAsS1dk..the story about Ott and Mays was true BS...Ott was long done as a player and a manager before Mays came around..Mel's weakness couldn't have been too bad because he hit .304, 511 homers, 1708 BB and only 896 K. in 9456 aat bats...too bad some of today's Giants don't have that weakness...in fact, despite his high leg kick, his leg came down before the pitch and never blocked his vision...
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Randy
Jun 16, 2014 15:49:17 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 16, 2014 15:49:17 GMT -5
dk..the story about Ott and Mays was true BS...
Rog -- So we could safely say the story was inaccurate?
Don -- Ott was long done as a player and a manager before Mays came around..
Rog -- Very true. Which is why I questioned the story. On the other hand, Willie played against and with players who had played with Mel.
Don -- Mel's weakness couldn't have been too bad because he hit .304, 511 homers, 1708 BB and only 896 K. in 9456 aat bats...
Rog -- We know all that, Don. In fact, if anyone didn't, I posted earlier that I believe him to be one of the top three hitters in Giants history.
Don -- too bad some of today's Giants don't have that weakness...
Rog -- Actually, wouldn't that be a GOOD thing. Whether they have that particular weakness or not, they all have at least one -- usually more than one.
Don -- in fact, despite his high leg kick, his leg came down before the pitch and never blocked his vision...
Rog -- I don't think anyone said the leg kick did block his vision. Merely that it left him vulnerable to the pitch that was down and in.
Don, you seem to be quite defensive of old-time players (such as Mel Ott in this example). On the other hand, you are highly critical of some of the good players of today, while ironically, defending some marginal players of today.
I just find it odd.
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Randy
Jun 16, 2014 22:55:49 GMT -5
Post by donk33 on Jun 16, 2014 22:55:49 GMT -5
dk..the story about Ott and Mays was true BS... Rog -- So we could safely say the story was inaccurate? Don -- Ott was long done as a player and a manager before Mays came around.. Rog -- Very true. Which is why I questioned the story. On the other hand, Willie played against and with players who had played with Mel. Don -- Mel's weakness couldn't have been too bad because he hit .304, 511 homers, 1708 BB and only 896 K. in 9456 aat bats... Rog -- We know all that, Don. In fact, if anyone didn't, I posted earlier that I believe him to be one of the top three hitters in Giants history. Don -- too bad some of today's Giants don't have that weakness... Rog -- Actually, wouldn't that be a GOOD thing. Whether they have that particular weakness or not, they all have at least one -- usually more than one. Don -- in fact, despite his high leg kick, his leg came down before the pitch and never blocked his vision... Rog -- I don't think anyone said the leg kick did block his vision. Merely that it left him vulnerable to the pitch that was down and in. Don, you seem to be quite defensive of old-time players (such as Mel Ott in this example). On the other hand, you are highly critical of some of the good players of today, while ironically, defending some marginal players of today. I just find it odd. dk..when present day players put up the numbers that Ott had, I will be quick to exalt them for earning part of their salary....by the way, the first time I wrote some of Mel's stats, you were surprised...especially his walks and strike outs...and just think what stats he might have ended up with if he didn't spend his last 4 years as a playing manager...
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Randy
Jun 17, 2014 1:30:57 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 17, 2014 1:30:57 GMT -5
dk..when present day players put up the numbers that Ott had, I will be quick to exalt them for earning part of their salary....by the way, the first time I wrote some of Mel's stats, you were surprised...especially his walks and strike outs...and just think what stats he might have ended up with if he didn't spend his last 4 years as a playing manager... Rog -- I consider Mel to be the 3rd or 4th best right fielder of all time. The one thing that is odd about his career is how after a fairly even start, he suddenly started hitting a very high percentage of his home runs in the Polo Grounds. But he retired as the National League leader in home runs, and his record stood for a couple of decades. Coincidentally, the guy with whom I would say he is competing for the 3rd position with was also a player manager at the end of his career. Aside from his ability to sustain it for a long, long time, Mel's most impressive accomplishment might have been playing well at the tender age of 17. You probably told us this already, Don, but I'm guessing Mel is your favorite player. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2314/randy#ixzz34sK6vwdX
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Randy
Jun 17, 2014 12:00:05 GMT -5
Post by donk33 on Jun 17, 2014 12:00:05 GMT -5
dk..when present day players put up the numbers that Ott had, I will be quick to exalt them for earning part of their salary....by the way, the first time I wrote some of Mel's stats, you were surprised...especially his walks and strike outs...and just think what stats he might have ended up with if he didn't spend his last 4 years as a playing manager... Rog -- I consider Mel to be the 3rd or 4th best right fielder of all time. The one thing that is odd about his career is how after a fairly even start, he suddenly started hitting a very high percentage of his home runs in the Polo Grounds. dk..while he hit a lot of home runs at home, he also had the NL career record for home runs in road games.. But he retired as the National League leader in home runs, and his record stood for a couple of decades. dk..he also had the NL.career records for runs, runs batted in, walks,etc....
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sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
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Randy
Jun 27, 2014 1:47:30 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Jun 27, 2014 1:47:30 GMT -5
I am fine, thanks for your concern, Boly. It's been a bit of a busy summer so far, but nothing bad, thankfully. I figured lots of you would be doing a severe Mordy grip right about now. I wont lie to you, I went into a severe depression when both the Sharks and Warriors fell to LA teams, both in Game 7s, both in the same week. Thankfully the Giants were playing well and were able to ease my pain a bit. I even went to AT&T a few times. As for my absence, I just don't see a lot of point in seeing Rog dominate the talk here with his endless stat-drivel. I have my text buddies like Mordy does to talk Giants with when I feel the urge. I even have been enjoying the World Cup--stop cringing, Boly...they're actually scoring more this time.
Rx...it's not that I only enjoy posting when the team does poorly...I just don't feel compelled to read others bring our collective dobbers down with doom, gloom and incessant stats-geekery. I do miss you all...even Statsrog, who can be amusing even amid his numbers overload.
Wow that Abreu guy (not to mention the Tanaka guy) seems to be pretty good. Too bad the Giants werent serious about all that international market "serious players" stuff.
Something seems to be off with the Romo slider this year. Less movement and less consistency. I'm not encouraged. Macchi looks brilliant, though, even after tonight's rough one.
As last year, Pagan is the key to the offense. When he's out of the lineup or not 100%, the productivity drops. The rest of the order seems to function fine with one missing part, but without Angel, it's hit and miss.
I've been to SJ Muni stadium for some Little Giants games but as I said before, I'm refraining from commentary on those players as my comments only get poo-pooed here. You can find another south bay guy to belittle. I'm done with that. My only scouting report is that the BBQ area is still high quality. I may be back posting at some future date...not sure yet. Just enjoying life away from the keyboard as much as I can.
As a final note, hardy congrats to my Alma Mater, Archbishop Mitty HS, producing an Olympic Figure Skater (Polina Edmunds) and an NBA lottery pick (Aaron Gordon) in the same calendar year.
Go Giants! Go Team USA!
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Randy
Jun 27, 2014 2:48:39 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 27, 2014 2:48:39 GMT -5
Randy -- Wow that Abreu guy (not to mention the Tanaka guy) seems to be pretty good. Too bad the Giants werent serious about all that international market "serious players" stuff. Rog -- I don't think that is a fair shot at the Giants, Randy. More than one source has said that the Giants were willing to pay the price for Abreu, but didn't feel right about giving him the extra season on his contract that the White Sox did. Makes sense if one thinks about it. The knock on Abreu has never been his hitting. Rather, it is his fielding that has been in question. It would make sense that Abreu would have one or more additional years of value to an American League team. As for Tanaka, the rules for his signing weren't established until very late in the signing, after many teams (including the Giants) had already spent most of their money. I would quibble with Boly on the international players though. He has been quite dubious of them, and their track record has been excellent -- especially lately. I suspect that is why the Giants are committed to becoming bigger players in the market. The bargains in the market are becoming fewer though, as teams are realizing how much talent is available. As the international players have proven themselves more and more, the cost of international players has risen. Lower perceived risk. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2314/randy#ixzz35p6eHWxq
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Randy
Jun 27, 2014 3:01:14 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jun 27, 2014 3:01:14 GMT -5
Randy -- I've been to SJ Muni stadium for some Little Giants games but as I said before, I'm refraining from commentary on those players as my comments only get poo-pooed here. Rog -- One of the reasons I am glad you are back is that you do indeed have the best opportunity to scout the players coming through San Jose for us. As an example, you liked Joe Panik, and here he is. None of us is going to be entirely right in our scouting. That's why they call it scouting instead of recording. One player I over-evaluated was Tim Alderson. I pointed out that the gun guy recorded his fastball as being slower than expected, but I thought he would fare much better than he has. Tim's AAA ERA this season is 5.90. Something happened with him, and the Giants were quick enough to recognize it to get Freddy Sanchez for him. At the time I didn't like the trade, but if not for Freddy's injuries, it would have worked better than it did. Don is right, too, that I may have undervalued Brandon Crawford's ability to adapt his swing at the major league level. So keep those scouting reports coming. Don't get defensive with them (as I feel you did with Gary Brown). We shouldn't expect you to be right all the time, nor should you expect it yourself. Brown had a TREMENDOUS season at San Jose in 2011. It's easy to see why you liked him so well. I was (and am still) considering scouting Fresno at Sacramento next week. With Joe Panik and Adam Duvall up though, I don't think it will be as rewarding as it would have been earlier. I still might try to see Edwin Escobar pitch. Man, I would LOVE it if the Giants moved their AAA team to Sacramento next season as has been rumored. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2314/randy?page=1&scrollTo=21055#ixzz35p8QK0zL
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