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Post by rxmeister on May 29, 2014 7:10:27 GMT -5
We have something the others don't, the best reliever in the game. Jean Machi, who probably only made the team because he was out of options. I cannot believe what this guy is doing, and every time he comes in I'm thinking that this might be the day he comes crashing back to reality but it never happens. And by the way, George Kontos looks terrific since returning. His fastball is up to 94 mphs and his slider is biting again. Looks like he's recovered from the ridiculous overuse of him by Bochy a couple of years ago.
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Post by donk33 on May 29, 2014 13:22:41 GMT -5
We have something the others don't, the best reliever in the game. Jean Machi, who probably only made the team because he was out of options. I cannot believe what this guy is doing, and every time he comes in I'm thinking that this might be the day he comes crashing back to reality but it never happens. And by the way, George Kontos looks terrific since returning. His fastball is up to 94 mphs and his slider is biting again. Looks like he's recovered from the ridiculous overuse of him by Bochy a couple of years ago. dk...I think Kontos has the smoothest delivery on the team...sure hope they don't change him...I wonder why he has had trouble getting hitters out....
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Post by klaiggeb on May 29, 2014 16:04:02 GMT -5
Mark---We have something the others don't, the best reliever in the game. Jean Machi, who probably only made the team because he was out of options. I cannot believe what this guy is doing, and every time he comes in I'm thinking that this might be the day he comes crashing back to reality but it never happens. And by the way, George Kontos looks terrific since returning. His fastball is up to 94 mphs and his slider is biting again. Looks like he's recovered from the ridiculous overuse of him by Bochy a couple of years ago. ---boly says--- Mark, not for the first time, you hit the ol nail right on the head; twice! Machi, as I've posted before, has closer stuff. The difference between now and then is that Fork Ball. Now they can't sit on any other pitch. As to Kontos...he impressed the CRAP outta me last night! You're right, again; Bochy did over use him badly 2 years ago. And what was that nonsense about bringing in Affeldt last night? Why? ? What in the world for??? Kontos at that point, had been lights out! No need for Affeldt, who, as I've also recently pointed out, has started to come back to reality; he's simply not as sharp as he had been. That was an assinine move, I don't care what the LH/RH stats show! What happened to "ride the hot hand?" boly
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Post by klaiggeb on May 29, 2014 16:05:16 GMT -5
Don---dk...I think Kontos has the smoothest delivery on the team...sure hope they don't change him...I wonder why he has had trouble getting hitters out....
---boly says---
Great point, Don. Smooth, very compact, very sound mechanics.
boly
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Post by allenreed on May 29, 2014 16:46:52 GMT -5
I believe Affeldt's ERA is 1.66. That's pretty hot.
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Post by rxmeister on May 30, 2014 8:31:28 GMT -5
Boly, I'm a big believer in "ride the hit hand" so I completely agree. When you start bringing in one reliever after another you're going to eventually find the one guy who doesn't have it that day, and that can cost you the game. And although I like Affeldt, I have little patience for a reliever who's brought in to face a specific batter and proceeds to walk him. That would piss me off no end if I were the manager. And Affeldt's ERA is based on 17 innings of work, a very small sample size. If Machi doesn't bail him out there, that 1.66 goes to 2.70 just like that.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 30, 2014 10:09:08 GMT -5
Allen---I believe Affeldt's ERA is 1.66. That's pretty hot.
---boly says---
If all one does is look at the numbers Allen, I'd agree.
But go back and look at his last 3 or 4 appearances.
Each one has shown a continual decline.
That's what I'm seeing.
boly
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Post by islandboagie on May 30, 2014 10:35:58 GMT -5
He wasn't sharp his last outing, but other than that I see no need for concern. Certainly no reason to think Bochy is "assinine" for bringing him in. I actually commend Bochy for realizing Jeremy wasn't sharp his last outing and pulling him fast, most managers out there would have let him stay in.
I don't know what your deal with the bullpen is, Boly, but some of your assessments don't correlate anywhere near the same realm with their performance.
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Post by allenreed on May 30, 2014 10:44:10 GMT -5
So you stop using him altogether? If he has another so-so outing do you release him?
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Post by islandboagie on May 30, 2014 22:44:08 GMT -5
Affeldt? Not even close, but I do think you could now apply those questions to the future of Huff as a Giant. In fact, I'm going out on a limb and saying Huff has pitched his last game for the Giants.
Goodbye Huff, Hello Runzler.
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Post by Rog on May 31, 2014 3:12:35 GMT -5
Boagie -- Affeldt? Not even close, but I do think you could now apply those questions to the future of Huff as a Giant. In fact, I'm going out on a limb and saying Huff has pitched his last game for the Giants. Goodbye Huff, Hello Runzler. Rog -- Runzler has fared well and has shown as a starter along the way that he can pitch long innings. Your scenario could indeed happen. Even better might be if the Giants simply go with a dozen pitchers when Matt Cain returns from the DL. That could also open up a roster spot when Brandon Belt returns. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2285/samardiza-heck-spell?page=2#ixzz33HKoFV7g
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Post by rxmeister on May 31, 2014 6:54:03 GMT -5
I'd like to see Derek Law called up instead, but I think they'll go lefty for lefty as well.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 31, 2014 10:04:00 GMT -5
Boagie--Affeldt? Not even close, but I do think you could now apply those questions to the future of Huff as a Giant. In fact, I'm going out on a limb and saying Huff has pitched his last game for the Giants.
Goodbye Huff, Hello Runzler.
---boly says--- I didn't think about Runzler, Boagie, but I SURE hope you're right!
I can't EVER remember seeing Bochy so obviously TICKED OFF at a player as he was at Huff last night.
Normally what we see is calm, with concern...
But last night? I saw anger. Almost uncontrollable anger.
A couple of times he looked like he wanted to either punch a wall, or throw a chair.
boly
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Post by Rog on Jun 1, 2014 7:22:05 GMT -5
Mark -- I'd like to see Derek Law called up instead, but I think they'll go lefty for lefty as well. Rog -- Also long reliever for long reliever. Runzler has even briefly been a starter in the past. Law is having a good but not great season in AA. He's been a bit of a disappointment to me. As for Runzler, it's tough not to get excited by his 0.75 ERA, but there is something I feel obligated to warn about. When Dan was so solid in his 2009 September callup, posting a 1.04 ERA, it was mentioned that he had walked more than a batter every two innings. It might now be prudent to mention that he's walked more than a batter every two innings. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2285/samardiza-heck-spell?page=2#ixzz33OB85qbh
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Post by Rog on Jun 1, 2014 7:37:36 GMT -5
I would think that if the Giants called Runzler up and then sent him back down later, they would risk losing him on waivers. That is what has caused them not to send Ehire Adrianza down.
Speaking of Ehire, I wonder if the Giants are keeping him as a trading piece. I think it is possible the Giants will solve their 2nd base problem with Joe Panik (0 for 4 last night and now hitting .323). I wonder if they're going to see how Marco Scutaro's latest treatment works out, and if it doesn't, hope that Panik is ready.
If Joe indeed could fill the keystone opening, the Giants might then be able to trade Ehire for a veteran utility infielder. Or if Panik fails this season, they might include Adrianza in a package for a starting second baseman.
The Giants might find themselves dealing from weakness though. As mentioned, the young pitchers really haven't, and even Fresno stalwarts Andrew Susac and Adam Duvall are presently injured. I wouldn't think the Giants would give up the 23-year-old Panik unless it were for a serious second sacker.
On the other hand, trading Joe this season might turn out to be selling high. I don't think so though. I still like that good, old-fashioned K/BB ratio. I'd like to see a bit more power.
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Post by rxmeister on Jun 1, 2014 7:54:50 GMT -5
I believe the Giants already placed Runzler on waivers once, but at the time he was pitching so poorly that nobody claimed him and he re-signed with the team. The first time he was called up I was so excited because his stuff was absolutely electric, throwing 98 mph. He was unhittable, the control problems were the only chink in his armor. Now he doesn't throw as hard and still hasn't conquered the control issues, but he's still better than Huff! I'd definitely make the move.
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Post by Rog on Jun 1, 2014 15:58:33 GMT -5
Right now David has taken the place of Yusmeiro Petit as the long reliever/emergency starter. It could be that Huff gets sent down when Matt Cain returns. The question would then be whether Runzler or another minor league reliever would replace him, or if the Giants would (finally) go with "just" a dozen pitchers.
Personally, I think even 12 is too many. To me, 13 is crazy. Because of options, it is possible a team could fill its last spot on a rotation basis, which would help keep the #11 (or at least the #12) spot fresh.
Bruce Bochy is considered a master manipulator of his bullpen. He is indeed pretty darn good. But as this and some other recent posts here have shown, he could do even better. It may be that Bruce is considered so good because other managers aren't good enough to set the bar very high. I don't know that to be the case. I haven't studied it.
But it just might be. Anyone else studied it more than I have (which wouldn't take much)?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 1, 2014 18:19:33 GMT -5
Rob--Personally, I think even 12 is too many. To me, 13 is crazy.
---boly says--
I'm with you 100%, Rog!
But I'd take it one step further.
Twelve is ridiculous, 13 absurd! Unless you're in the middle of a tough, hot stretch, that includes the Mid-West and Coors Field.
In that heat, at that altitude, you might need all the arms you can get.
boly
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