Post by Rog on Mar 26, 2014 11:05:05 GMT -5
Rog -- I've got to disagree with you on this one, Boagie. Teams are much smarter now than they were when those guys came up. They would better see the bat control as exhibited by the fine K/BB ratios.
Boagie- I figured someone might disagree. But, I remain steadfast in my comment. If a hitter is batting .250-.260 you might be correct, but .220 is a little too low to stick around for 3+ years.
Rog -- Ozzie hit .258, .211 and .230 his first three seasons. He finished 2nd in the Rookie of the Year voting and won a Gold Glove. Only in a very poor second season was his OBP lower than .310. He led the NL in sacrifice hits two of those first three seasons. He was coming off an exceptional 5 win season and was on the verge of making the All-Star team 12 straight times.
Let's look at his situation. His .258 rookie season coupled with his outstanding glove offset a horrible .211 sophomore season at the plate. The five-win season in his third year pretty much solidified him for a long while.
Omar was a little tougher case. He hit only .220, .247 and .230 those first three seasons. Still, he was just 24 years old, and his glove provided the Mariners with four wins over those three seasons. He went on to hit .295 in his third FULL season, and his role was solidified.
Boagie -- That team would likely upgrade to someone with a little pop or with more consistency. The offensive expectations of the shortstop and catcher have escalated since those two played. That's not my opinion, that's a fact.
Rog -- I certainly agree with you that the offensive qualifications have increased for both positions. If teams weren't smarter now, I would probably agree with you. But looking just at the Giants, Brandon Crawford's batting average is just .241 after three seasons, and his job is clearly not in danger.
There is even talk of Ehire Adrianza's becoming a starting player (likely with another team), and Ehire hasn't yet shown proficiency with the bat even at the minor league level.
You make a very good point here, but I don't think it considers all the facts. Teams are much smarter now, which helps them overcome the good points you brought up.
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Boagie- I figured someone might disagree. But, I remain steadfast in my comment. If a hitter is batting .250-.260 you might be correct, but .220 is a little too low to stick around for 3+ years.
Rog -- Ozzie hit .258, .211 and .230 his first three seasons. He finished 2nd in the Rookie of the Year voting and won a Gold Glove. Only in a very poor second season was his OBP lower than .310. He led the NL in sacrifice hits two of those first three seasons. He was coming off an exceptional 5 win season and was on the verge of making the All-Star team 12 straight times.
Let's look at his situation. His .258 rookie season coupled with his outstanding glove offset a horrible .211 sophomore season at the plate. The five-win season in his third year pretty much solidified him for a long while.
Omar was a little tougher case. He hit only .220, .247 and .230 those first three seasons. Still, he was just 24 years old, and his glove provided the Mariners with four wins over those three seasons. He went on to hit .295 in his third FULL season, and his role was solidified.
Boagie -- That team would likely upgrade to someone with a little pop or with more consistency. The offensive expectations of the shortstop and catcher have escalated since those two played. That's not my opinion, that's a fact.
Rog -- I certainly agree with you that the offensive qualifications have increased for both positions. If teams weren't smarter now, I would probably agree with you. But looking just at the Giants, Brandon Crawford's batting average is just .241 after three seasons, and his job is clearly not in danger.
There is even talk of Ehire Adrianza's becoming a starting player (likely with another team), and Ehire hasn't yet shown proficiency with the bat even at the minor league level.
You make a very good point here, but I don't think it considers all the facts. Teams are much smarter now, which helps them overcome the good points you brought up.
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