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Post by Rog on Jan 16, 2014 10:44:08 GMT -5
Before I get into Giants projections, has anyone seen pictures of the new, trim Pablo? He appears to be pretty fit and trim; yet, I'll bet he still weights 230 pounds or more. He's just a very thick man physically.
But as to projections, Pablo is among the Giants' hitters who are projected to do pretty well this season. I haven't had a chance to read more than a headline, but it appears the relievers are projected very poorly.
Maybe the Giants don't want to re-sign Chad Gaudin because of the airplane incident, but he's still out there, would seem to complete the bullpen and would add another backup starter to their pen. Right now they appear to be banking on Edwin Escobar as their #7 starter. They tend not to want to rush their good young starters, so that sounds a tiny bit risky.
Also, the bullpen seems to lack depth, something Gaudin provided in spades last season. I expect him to regress quite a bit this season, but it would appear he would be a fairly inexpensive Swiss army knife. Perhaps if he becomes cheap enough, the Giants will re-sign him.
Anyone know who else is out there?
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 19, 2014 11:29:03 GMT -5
The Giants signed some relievers to minor league deals, so I'm pretty sure they're done. I don't know if it was mentioned, but they signed a couple of guys who were pretty good a few years ago who haven't been so good lately, like JC Gutierrez and Kameron Lowe. Lowe was terrible last year, but decent in the past with the Brewers, while the hard throwing Gutierrez was the closer for the Dbacks at one time in 2009, going 10 for 10. Back then he was known as Juan Gutierrez, of course. He had TJ surgery in 2011 and is still making it back.
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Post by Rog on Jan 19, 2014 13:05:11 GMT -5
I agree the Giants are pretty much done, but I now think they will wind up trading for relief help at the deadline. As with just about every team, they could be vulnerable if a starting pitcher or two goes down, but fortunately their starters as a group have been remarkably healthy.
I think it would be nice if the Giants could find a LOOGY to replace Jose Mijares. I see the right side as being decent -- not great -- with Sergio Romo, Santiago Casilla, Heath Hembree and 6th starter Yusmeiro Petit. They have backups such as Sandy Rosario, George Kontos and Jean Machi.
But they're a bit think from the port side. Javier Lopez is a good LOOGY, but he's a specialist. Jeremy Affeldt has struggled with health and consistency.
As was the case a year ago, the Giants are looking for final backups for the infield and outfield.
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Post by allenreed on Jan 19, 2014 13:09:30 GMT -5
Haven't seen Pablo. I hope for his sake, that he keeps it off. Pablo's just a naturally thick guy, and I'll bet he's well muscled as well. I wouldn't be surprised if your 230 estimate was accurate. Is it possible for someone to post a picture here?
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Post by Rog on Jan 19, 2014 13:21:32 GMT -5
Pablo and I have a lot in common. He's very thick physically, and I'm very thick mentally.
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 19, 2014 14:08:09 GMT -5
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 19, 2014 14:08:52 GMT -5
I think that came out twice, or not at all! Hope it worked.
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Post by allenreed on Jan 19, 2014 17:35:22 GMT -5
Pretty good. He's flexing and sucking it in though. Not sure I would call him trim, but it's a vast improvement. Keep working Panda!
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Post by donk33 on Jan 19, 2014 19:30:00 GMT -5
I agree the Giants are pretty much done, but I now think they will wind up trading for relief help at the deadline. As with just about every team, they could be vulnerable if a starting pitcher or two goes down, but fortunately their starters as a group have been remarkably healthy. I think it would be nice if the Giants could find a LOOGY to replace Jose Mijares. I see the right side as being decent -- not great -- with Sergio Romo, Santiago Casilla, Heath Hembree and 6th starter Yusmeiro Petit. They have backups such as Sandy Rosario, George Kontos and Jean Machi. But they're a bit think from the port side. Javier Lopez is a good LOOGY, but he's a specialist. Jeremy Affeldt has struggled with health and consistency. As was the case a year ago, the Giants are looking for final backups for the infield and outfield. dk..I was surprised to see Hembree priced fairly high in on of the Fantasy mags out now....
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 20, 2014 8:43:06 GMT -5
Yeah, he's sucking it in, but you could tell by his head size in relation to his body how much smaller his body is. Unless of course he's using Barry Bonds' trainers....
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Post by allenreed on Jan 20, 2014 10:55:25 GMT -5
Can you or your wife translate the caption?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jan 20, 2014 12:38:38 GMT -5
Can you or your wife translate the caption?
--boly says---
I can, Allen.
"When one works with consistant effort and dedication, we get the results we want and remain satisfied that it was worth the effort."
boly
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Post by allenreed on Jan 20, 2014 14:15:02 GMT -5
Thanks boly.
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Post by sfgdood on Jan 22, 2014 23:06:27 GMT -5
As with just about every team, they could be vulnerable if a starting pitcher or two goes down, but fortunately their starters as a group have been remarkably healthy.
Dood - if it's a problem for EVERY team why even bring it up? I can't think of a single Giants starter with a history of arm problems. The Giants have Yusmeiro Petit slated as the long relief man/6th starter and I have full confidence in him in that role after the near perfecto last season.
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Post by Rog on Jan 23, 2014 22:22:21 GMT -5
Rog -- As with just about every team, they could be vulnerable if a starting pitcher or two goes down, but fortunately their starters as a group have been remarkably healthy. Dood - if it's a problem for EVERY team why even bring it up? I can't think of a single Giants starter with a history of arm problems. Rog -- That was the very point of the comment. I was surprised to hear that the chance of a pitcher going on the disabled list in a given is 38% or something like that. Whatever it was, it was shocking. The Giants have done clearly better than that, especially with their starters. Ryan Vogelsong does have a history with arm problems, but they are far in the past. On the other hand, there has been speculation he had a dead arm last season. I still think something happened to Jonathan Sanchez at the end of May of 2011. I can't remember a pitcher simply falling apart as he did. On June 25th he went on the disabled list for 37 days with a shoulder strain. It has never caused him to go on the disabled list, but Matt Cain is said to have bone chips in his elbow. Tim Hudson has recovered from Tommy John surgery. That said, the Giants HAVE had excellent health from their starting pitchers. Noah Lowry and Jason Schmidt had problems, but that was a long time ago. Madison Bumgarner, Cain and Tim Lincecum have been exceptionally healthy. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2169/projections#ixzz2rHUfALiM
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Post by Rog on Jan 23, 2014 22:31:14 GMT -5
Randy -- The Giants have Yusmeiro Petit slated as the long relief man/6th starter and I have full confidence in him in that role after the near perfecto last season. I was very excited about Petit when the Giants signed him to a minor league contract a couple of years ago, and he likely pitched the best game of the Giants' season last year. He did some very nice pitching with the Diamondbacks, although obviously his high ERA there indicated he pitched more bad than good games. But let's not forget how poorly he pitched for Fresno last season, particularly giving up high numbers of long balls. That said, I do like him in his proposed role. Regarding his arm health, he missed a total of 88 days with shoulder issues in 2009 and 2010. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2169/projections#ixzz2rHaW1JNc
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