sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Jan 4, 2014 2:13:13 GMT -5
From Ben Stein:
"Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured…but not everyone must prove they are a citizen. Now add this, many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens, will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens."
Think about that for a while.
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Post by alreed on Jan 4, 2014 13:55:24 GMT -5
Ben Stein! Bueller... Bueller. Good quote. Makes you think. Let's look in on our DOJ, which is run by a perjuror and a man who believes civil rights do not apply to white people. They are currently taking legal action against a group called "Little Sisters of the Poor". This is a group of nuns who go around taking care of older and terminally ill people. providing what care and comfort they can and making sure these people don't die alone. The administration's problem with them? They're Catholic and don't wnat their health plan to provide birth control or promote abortion. So h for freedom of religion. At the other hand they released Lynne Stewart from prison yesterday. Ms. Stewart was a lawyer who represented the guy who masterminded the 93 WTC bombing. Ms. Stewart was convicted of numerous felonies, including aiding and abetting terrorists, providing material support to terrorists, and passing messages from her imprisoned client to his terrorist followers abroad. She was sentenced to 10 years in July 2010, but obviously was released early. So, to sum up. our DOJ sees fit to punish people who do good works, and reward terrorists. Anything that harms the country, this administration is all for.
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Post by donk33 on Jan 4, 2014 18:12:28 GMT -5
Lynne Stewart was sent home to die...same benefit many convicts receive whom are diagnosed with terminal illness...she was convicted and stripped of all her lawyering rights and given an additional 10 years by the Black headed DOJ you love to lie about.... the insurance covers all the employees that want it, not the nuns.......I paid for insurance that covered having babies, 30 years after my wife couldn't have any more little ones...did this bother you?
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Post by alreed on Jan 4, 2014 18:36:50 GMT -5
She could die just as easily in prison, it's dome all the time. Susan Atkins (Manson family) didn't get this benefit when she was dying.
Obviously, she didn't get ten years. That was all just a normal Obama administration dog and pony show (like saying they would get to the bottom of the Benghazi thing when they were actually trying to cover it up). She got a little over three. Of course, when it was found out she was aiding and abetting an organization that was trying to kill Americans and bomb American buildings, she should have been swinging from the end of a rope. It's called treason. The same fate should have befallen Holder when it was found he was authorizing the running of guns to the Mexican drug cartels.
By asking the nuns to deal with promoting or providing birth control or abortion, or being connected to it in any way, is trampling on their religous beliefs. If they were Muslims, they would be left alone. Even though a fundamental belief of their religion is to kill all non Muslims.
Your insurance problem would sure bother me. Didn't it bother you? Why didn't you change plans? This was pre Obamacare, when you still were allowed options, right?
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Post by donk33 on Jan 4, 2014 23:39:33 GMT -5
the NUNS do not have to pay for that insurance...they were excused because of the religious factor....their organization has to offer insurance to their non-religious employees who request it....you are comparing a person who committed perjury (she served her sentence for the other crimes) with a mass murderer...I see a difference, but you don't? I know that you don't give a crap for the truth, but your Repug congress found that Holden knew nothing about the gun running...I know the Obese one never told you...
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Post by allenreed on Jan 5, 2014 12:05:18 GMT -5
There's the rub Don. They don't want to offer coverage for birth control and abortions because it goes against their religous beliefs. The Anti-Christian administration wants to force them to.
I don't know if Stewart commited perjury or not, though we know Eric Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of and participation in running guns to the drug cartels. Guns that were used to kill Americans. Stewart did help terrorists and facilitated their cause. She caused or attempted to cause, the death of Americans. Let's remember that Manson didn't actually kill anyone either, but I'm pretty sure he'll die in prison.
That's a no sale on Holder. He lied about that, lied about the the DOJ going after reporters. Even your defense of him is true, if he didn't know, he certainly should have known. So as with Obama your defense of him is that he's incompetent and derelict in his duties.
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Post by donk33 on Jan 5, 2014 15:35:52 GMT -5
There's the rub Don. They don't want to offer coverage for birth control and abortions because it goes against their religous beliefs. The Anti-Christian administration wants to force them to. I don't know if Stewart commited perjury or not, though we know Eric Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of and participation in running guns to the drug cartels. Guns that were used to kill Americans. Stewart did help terrorists and facilitated their cause. She caused or attempted to cause, the death of Americans. Let's remember that Manson didn't actually kill anyone either, but I'm pretty sure he'll die in prison. That's a no sale on Holder. He lied about that, lied about the the DOJ going after reporters. Even your defense of him is true, if he didn't know, he certainly should have known. So as with Obama your defense of him is that he's incompetent and derelict in his duties. dk..of course the fact that the gun running used to try to track down the drug runners was also used under the Bush administration, but of course he didn't have a Black ATT.Gen.....by the way, did Nixon's guys ever get out of prison.... You don't know anything, but that doesn't stop you from lying about her...she served her term for what ever she did, but was given an extra ten years for perjury...so you are comparing a mass murderess with a liar......some difference....
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Post by allenreed on Jan 5, 2014 18:14:26 GMT -5
Actually, if you read the accounts of the Manson thing, Atkins was really only involved in murdering Sharon Tate. Since she was pregnant I guess you could say she murdered two people. Of course, given the Obama's affinity for late-term abortions, I don't know if they would count that or not.
It's interesting how you always land on the side of evil people who are doing things that harm America and Americans. Here in this post you're defending two perjurors (Stewart and Holder)a person in Stewart who was giving aid to terrorists and helping facilitate terrorist acts (which you conveniently choose to ignore), and an AG who doesn't believe in civil rights for white people, helped facilitate giving guns to outlaws who used those guns to kill Americans, worked hard against the right of a free press and the first amendment, and refused to prosecute people who threatened voters outside a polling place because they were black, but is all over a group of nuns who try to comfort the elderly because they don't want to participate in something that goes against their religious beliefs. To sum up, Holder is against freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, racial equality under the law, and is for providing weapons to our enemies.
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Post by donk33 on Jan 6, 2014 1:12:49 GMT -5
Actually, if you read the accounts of the Manson thing, Atkins was really only involved in murdering Sharon Tate. Since she was pregnant I guess you could say she murdered two people. Of course, given the Obama's affinity for late-term abortions, I don't know if they would count that or not. It's interesting how you always land on the side of evil people who are doing things that harm America and Americans. Here in this post you're defending two perjurors (Stewart and Holder)a person in Stewart who was giving aid to terrorists and helping facilitate terrorist acts (which you conveniently choose to ignore), and an AG who doesn't believe in civil rights for white people, helped facilitate giving guns to outlaws who used those guns to kill Americans, worked hard against the right of a free press and the first amendment, and refused to prosecute people who threatened voters outside a polling place because they were black, but is all over a group of nuns who try to comfort the elderly because they don't want to participate in something that goes against their religious beliefs. To sum up, Holder is against freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, racial equality under the law, and is for providing weapons to our enemies. dk..you sick little man, she paid for what she did in passing messages or what ever and it wasn't ever shown that her action caused the death of any one....and you don't think a Manson babe is bad because she only killed one person.....you are so full of crap about Holder and Obama...you have a ugly repug congress just waiting for the chance to get at Obama and Holder and can't because every thing they have investigated they found they had clean hands...so why don't you put up or shut up...give your buddies in congress some facts or back off and talk baseball....or go to your dirty politics forum...
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Post by allenreed on Jan 6, 2014 11:18:34 GMT -5
She didn't pay. She was sentenced to ten years and didn'tt serve her full sentence. What she did was treason, and she should have been hanged. Why do you support Islamic terrorism Don? Especially when you as a Jew are one of the primary people they want to kill. Is it because you hate America?
Obama and Holder? Right. Everything I said about Holder is an absolute fact. The thing is, who's going to prosecute him? Himself? Our AG is supposed to have character beyond reproach. We shouldn't even have to be dealing with this kind of crap. In this administration, we always are.
Why do you support Obama, Don? He hates Jews, hates veterans, hates working class Americans. Why do you support him? Is it because he's trying to tear down our country, make us ordinary, just one of the pack?
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Post by allenreed on Jan 6, 2014 11:20:40 GMT -5
She didn't pay. She was sentenced to ten years and didn'tt serve her full sentence. What she did was treason, and she should have been hanged. Why do you support Islamic terrorism Don? Especially when you as a Jew are one of the primary people they want to kill. Is it because you hate America?
Obama and Holder? Right. Everything I said about Holder is an absolute fact. The thing is, who's going to prosecute him? Himself? Our AG is supposed to have character beyond reproach. We shouldn't even have to be dealing with this kind of crap. In this administration, we always are.
Why do you support Obama, Don? He hates Jews, hates veterans, hates working class Americans. Why do you support him? Is it because he's trying to tear down our country, make us ordinary, just one of the pack?
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Post by donk33 on Jan 6, 2014 13:49:49 GMT -5
She didn't pay. She was sentenced to ten years and didn'tt serve her full sentence. What she did was treason, and she should have been hanged. Why do you support Islamic terrorism Don? Especially when you as a Jew are one of the primary people they want to kill. Is it because you hate America? Obama and Holder? Right. Everything I said about Holder is an absolute fact. The thing is, who's going to prosecute him? Himself? Our AG is supposed to have character beyond reproach. We shouldn't even have to be dealing with this kind of crap. In this administration, we always are. Why do you support Obama, Don? He hates Jews, hates veterans, hates working class Americans. Why do you support him? Is it because he's trying to tear down our country, make us ordinary, just one of the pack? dk..you are so obsessed with your hatred towards Blacks that you fall for all the trash put out by the obese one and his followers....I don't see any thing that Obama has done that is anti-Semitic and certainly not anti vets...and his whole time in office he has been fighting to restore the middle class and trying to avoid all the wealth of the country from falling into the hands of a select few....you can espouse the comments of the right wing who are determined to get all the Jews into Israel so they can kill them all and allow the Jewish Jesus to return...talk about paradox....he is bent on ending useless wars so that there will be more vets alive in the future.....and lets get back to Stewart...her crime in passing information on to others from her client cost her career and time in prison...which she served...she then got 10 years tacked on for perjury....she has been declared terminal with cancer and she had served 2 years on that conviction.....I don't think any one should have to die in prison unless they are a danger to society...but after watching my wife go thru this in my own house under my care I may have a different grasp of this .... I haven't seen one absolute fact out of your hate filled posts against Holder and Obama....congress is run by the far right wingers and the other repugs who are afraid to buck them...they can impeach both of them if they had a shred of evidence against them...they have investigated the crap out of Holder and found nothing..I'm sure they would welcome your "truth" so they could railroad him out of office....
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Post by allenreed on Jan 6, 2014 19:00:15 GMT -5
His cutting Israel loose and his support and sponsorship of the Muslim brotherhood would certainly indicate an anti-Semetic slant. He cut benefits for vets and wounded warriors, but kept tax breaks for illegals. Shut down the vets open air memorial. Need I remind you yet again Don, that obama isn't black. He has as much ethnically in common with me as he does with any purebred black man.
Again you have paid attention to what Obama says rather than what he does. Obama hasn't done squat to help the middle class, and in fact continues to hurt them. He's a world class job killer. His latest gambit to divert attention away from the Obamacare disaster is to return to the old class welfare ploy. Income inequality he calls it. Obama has done more than anyone to exacerbate income inequality and it has worsened under his administration. Interesting for him to come out as being against something he has radically exacerbated. I guess that's for the consumption of people like you, who believe what he says and don't bother to look at what he does. He has turned thousands upon thousand of full time benefitted jobs into part time, unbenefitted, minimum wage jobs.He's caused millions of middle class Americans to lose their healthcare, and next year, when the corporate mandate kicks in, will cause millions more to do likewise. The lyrics are different, but it's the same old song. The Republicans are trying to take away your free ride, I want to keep it going and give you more. Who pays? Working class Americans.Who gets richer? The "select few", especially if they're Obama cronies.
He's ended the war in Afghnistan? Look again. More Americans have died there than did prior to his administration. Probably because Obama insists on us being soft on the enemy and finances their side of the war, sending aid to Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Egypt. Where do you think that money goes, Don? I don't recall us sending aid to Germany during WWII. You were around then. Did you support the Nazis? As I recall they hated Jews too. Iraq? His inability to arrange an agreement in which we could leave some troops there has led to us losing everything we accomplished. Al Qaeda is now flourishing in Iraq, as they pretty much are throughout the Mideast. Obama's solution? Help Iran get nukes, which will lead to further nuclear proliferation in the region. Of course, you probably believed Obama when he told us Al Qaeda was on the run.And Benghazi was caused by a video. And if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Susan Atkins died of cancer. At the end she was bedridden, unconscious most of the time, and hardly a danger to anyone. She died in prison. And she served 40+ years of her sentence. So there goes that argument. IMO, she deserved to die in prison, as does Stewart. She caught a pass because, like our Prez, she's sympathetic to Islamic terrorists.
Hard to see facts with your head buried in the sand pal. Holder is on record as saying civil rights don't apply to white people. He said he wouldn't think of attempting to prosecute journalists for doing their job, while he was doing just that. He chose not to prosecute the Black Panthers who were threatening voters in front of a polling place. Obama is on videotape (about 40 times) telling lies about Obamacare. He still won't come clean about what hew as doing while Benghazi was going down. One thing's for sure. He wasn't where he should have been. Congress is ran by far right wingers. Like Harry Reid? Pelosi? You can't impeach the AG. He serves at the pleasure of the President. You think the President is going to fire his judicial hatchet man? Who would help him go after the Little Sisters of the Poor? Who would share his distaste for enforcing immigration laws? Who would refuse to prosecute blacks? Obama realizes he has a man in that slot who has less scruples and personal integrity than he does. Maybe the only one.
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Post by donk33 on Jan 7, 2014 1:43:04 GMT -5
dk..again, I say you are a pathetic bigot who joined with the repug leaders to just say no to Obama even before he took office....any one in government can be booted out, even the President.and you and the other right wing nuts are always to blame Obama for every and any thing even they voted against him in the house or filibustered him in the Senate...your arguments may convince your half witted tea party members but failed to convince a majority of the country who re-elected him...and for another lamebrain comment...congress cut vets benefits and Obama had them restored...another lie...congress shut down the government, not Obama...and that meant closing the WWII memorial....and by the way, the US kept up financial aid and did business with Hitler up until the time Germany declared war of us....the pro Germans in the US would not let us declare war on Germany...Ford was one of the biggest anti-semites in the world and he had plenty of friends in this country....even in 1963, in my first visit to Knott's Berry Farm their library was filled with every vile anti-Semite book ever written......and it took his children years to remove the stench after the father died.... Bush came as close to ruining this country as anyone since Hoover and you want some one of his sick ilk back in power because they are almost 100% white...sick, man, sick...any one that can equate Stewart to Atkins is sick, sick, sick.....and the truth was that Stewart was coerced into defending the so called terrorist....because she was a good lawyer and wanted the world to know that we have some justice in this country because you right wing nuts don't control the whole country....
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Post by allenreed on Jan 7, 2014 11:15:54 GMT -5
Btw, every time they show Obama playing golf, he's either missing a putt or playing out of a trap. He must not be very good. Certainly not due to lack of practice. Also usually in shorts. As supposed leader of the free world, maybe it's time for the big boy pants.
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Post by allenreed on Jan 7, 2014 11:59:20 GMT -5
dk..again, I say you are a pathetic bigot who joined with the repug leaders to just say no to Obama even before he took office....any one in government can be booted out, even the President.and you and the other right wing nuts are always to blame Obama for every and any thing even they voted against him in the house or filibustered him in the Senate...your arguments may convince your half witted tea party members but failed to convince a majority of the country who re-elected him...and for another lamebrain comment...congress cut vets benefits and Obama had them restored...another lie...congress shut down the government, not Obama...and that meant closing the WWII memorial....and by the way, the US kept up financial aid and did business with Hitler up until the time Germany declared war of us....the pro Germans in the US would not let us declare war on Germany...Ford was one of the biggest anti-semites in the world and he had plenty of friends in this country....even in 1963, in my first visit to Knott's Berry Farm their library was filled with every vile anti-Semite book ever written......and it took his children years to remove the stench after the father died.... Bush came as close to ruining this country as anyone since Hoover and you want some one of his sick ilk back in power because they are almost 100% white...sick, man, sick...any one that can equate Stewart to Atkins is sick, sick, sick.....and the truth was that Stewart was coerced into defending the so called terrorist....because she was a good lawyer and wanted the world to know that we have some justice in this country because you right wing nuts don't control the whole country.... Allen- Typical kneejerk liberal response. When you have no argument, play the race card. It's tired and has about as much credibility as our President. Let me point out your myriad mistakes in this post. One, Holder can only be fired by the President. It ain't going to happen. Obama needs him to do his dirty work. Obama was re-elected by a largely uninformed electorate (see mirror), who fell for his line about the Republicans taking away their free money. Also by liberals who seem to care nothing about credibility, competence, or personal integrity. (See mirror again). So how's that re-election working out? Obamacare has been an unbridled disaster. The middle east is literally on fire. Our military has been cut to the bone, while there's always billions for more entitlements. The administration is plagued by scandal after scandal after scandal, many costing the taxpayers billions, and Americans their lives. Actually, Barack's intractable attitude is what caused the government shutdown. The smarter minds in Congress saw where Obamacare was headed and tried to head it off before so many people's lives were damaged. The libs didn't care how many people were hurt as long as big govt. could seize more control. Obama actually spent money to close the memorial. Political move, meant to inflict pain that he could blame on the Republicans. Most grade schoolers could see through it. Again, what has Barack done differently than Bush, other than support Islamic terrorism, attack veterans, make conscious efforts to kill jobs, and use his position to harass his political enemies? He's doubled down on most of the Bush policies, and the problems Bush caused have only been exacerbated under Obama. I didn't equate Atkins to Stewart. Atkins was a damaged teenager who fell under the spell of an evil person. She was certifiably insane. She got what was coming to her. Stewart was an educated adult who made a conscious decision to help terrorists kill Americans. I guess that makes her a hero in your eyes. Should foreign born terrorists who have confessed with pride to killing Americans have the same rights as American citizens? Did they observe the rights of the people in the WTC and Pentagon on 9/11, in the WTC in 93? What should happen is they should figure out how high those poor people who had to jump from the WTC were, put the terrorists in a helicopter, fly to that height, and push them out.
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Post by donk33 on Jan 7, 2014 13:23:06 GMT -5
dk..again, I say you are a pathetic bigot who joined with the repug leaders to just say no to Obama even before he took office....any one in government can be booted out, even the President.and you and the other right wing nuts are always to blame Obama for every and any thing even they voted against him in the house or filibustered him in the Senate...your arguments may convince your half witted tea party members but failed to convince a majority of the country who re-elected him...and for another lamebrain comment...congress cut vets benefits and Obama had them restored...another lie...congress shut down the government, not Obama...and that meant closing the WWII memorial....and by the way, the US kept up financial aid and did business with Hitler up until the time Germany declared war of us....the pro Germans in the US would not let us declare war on Germany...Ford was one of the biggest anti-semites in the world and he had plenty of friends in this country....even in 1963, in my first visit to Knott's Berry Farm their library was filled with every vile anti-Semite book ever written......and it took his children years to remove the stench after the father died.... Bush came as close to ruining this country as anyone since Hoover and you want some one of his sick ilk back in power because they are almost 100% white...sick, man, sick...any one that can equate Stewart to Atkins is sick, sick, sick.....and the truth was that Stewart was coerced into defending the so called terrorist....because she was a good lawyer and wanted the world to know that we have some justice in this country because you right wing nuts don't control the whole country.... Allen- Typical kneejerk liberal response. When you have no argument, play the race card. It's tired and has about as much credibility as our President. Let me point out your myriad mistakes in this post. One, Holder can only be fired by the President. It ain't going to happen. Obama needs him to do his dirty work. Obama was re-elected by a largely uninformed electorate (see mirror), who fell for his line about the Republicans taking away their free money. Also by liberals who seem to care nothing about credibility, competence, or personal integrity. (See mirror again). So how's that re-election working out? Obamacare has been an unbridled disaster. The middle east is literally on fire. Our military has been cut to the bone, while there's always billions for more entitlements. The administration is plagued by scandal after scandal after scandal, many costing the taxpayers billions, and Americans their lives. Actually, Barack's intractable attitude is what caused the government shutdown. The smarter minds in Congress saw where Obamacare was headed and tried to head it off before so many people's lives were damaged. The libs didn't care how many people were hurt as long as big govt. could seize more control. Obama actually spent money to close the memorial. Political move, meant to inflict pain that he could blame on the Republicans. Most grade schoolers could see through it. Again, what has Barack done differently than Bush, other than support Islamic terrorism, attack veterans, make conscious efforts to kill jobs, and use his position to harass his political enemies? He's doubled down on most of the Bush policies, and the problems Bush caused have only been exacerbated under Obama. I didn't equate Atkins to Stewart. Atkins was a damaged teenager who fell under the spell of an evil person. She was certifiably insane. She got what was coming to her. Stewart was an educated adult who made a conscious decision to help terrorists kill Americans. I guess that makes her a hero in your eyes. Should foreign born terrorists who have confessed with pride to killing Americans have the same rights as American citizens? Did they observe the rights of the people in the WTC and Pentagon on 9/11, in the WTC in 93? What should happen is they should figure out how high those poor people who had to jump from the WTC were, put the terrorists in a helicopter, fly to that height, and push them out. dk typical right wing reaction...you play the religion card to me but I can't show you up as a race bigot.....you are so ill informed about all aspects about what is going on in this country...I can't believe you could be that stupid so I can only surmise that you are going along with the right wing lies that are a big threat to the future of our country....funny, when Obama killed terrorist with his drones you cried against iit and you say he allows the terrorists to do what they want...sorta like Bush saying he didn't know where binLadin (?) was but he doesn't stay up nights worrying about him....so a damaged, insane killer should be let bout of prison, but a lawyer who committed perjury should be jailed forever....right....and just what crimes has Obama or Holder committed...more of your sick lies...congress can impeach the president and/or the AG...but of course they can't do it because there has been no crime committed...why don't you fold your tent and go away....liar,liar,pants on fire.....
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Post by allenreed on Jan 7, 2014 16:08:53 GMT -5
How am I playing the religion card? I'm simply asking you how as a Jew, you can support a man who hates Jews. You have yet to come up with an answer btw. My problems with Obama have to do mainly with his almost breathtaking incompetence, and his continuation of policies that are ruinous to America. Race has nothing to do with it. I couldn't care less what color he is. It's the yellow streak down his back that bothers me.
You just continue to show your unfathomable stupidity again and again Don. I've said again and again that I'm all for drone strikes, and that it's probably the only good thing Obama has done. Too bad he contrasts it by supporting Islamic terrorism in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Egypt etc. etc., as well as allowing Iran to build towards nuclear armament. He chickened on Syria too, drawing his phantom red lines, then when Asaad ignored his empty threat, ran away and let Putin handle it. Syria has yet to dispose of any chemical weapons.
You can't even read, can you Don? I said above that Atkins got what was coming to her. Maybe you can get a literate person to read this to you. Obama has commited fraud by lying about Obamacare. He's gone against the Constitution by unilaterally changing laws on several occasions. Holder has perjured himself in front of Congress on several occasions. Both have gone against the oaths they swore when they took their jobs by selectively picking and choosing which laws they wish to enforce, and who they prosecute for breaking them. Congress can impeach the President, can't do anything about the AG.
Liar, liar pants on fire? Nice having an intelligent discussion with you. Good Christ! Are you serious? Senility may have set in Don. I know I've told you this before, but you should probably seek some kind of medical help. You're having memory problems, reading problems, and seem to be reverting back to a child-like mental state.
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Post by donk33 on Jan 7, 2014 23:39:50 GMT -5
only a real sick person would make cracks about some one being senile....but just think, your friend the mass killer, should have been let out of prison but some obese nut case like you should be jailed for ever for selling tobacco products to some of the 18 million Americans who died of cancer brought on by your weeds.
you are one sick person who needs a shrink badly to rid him of the hate within you.....
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Post by allenreed on Jan 8, 2014 0:17:40 GMT -5
I'm not making cracks Don. I'm serious and sincere. Someone of your age should certainly have attained more maturity than you exhibit, and should certainly be able to control his emotions better than you do, as well as being able to handle people disagreeing with you in a more mature manner. You react to dissent like a spoiled pre-adolescent. Things happen as we get older Don.
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