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Post by sharksrog on Dec 8, 2013 12:35:05 GMT -5
Andrew Baggarly writing for Baseball America, and Grant Brisbee writing for the McCovey Chronicles have come out with their top 10 Giants prospects. Here they are -- Baggarly first -- with expected 2014 levels:
1. Kyle Crick RHP (AA)
2. Edwin Escobar LHP (AAA)
3. Chris Strattton RHP (High-A)
4. Adalberto Mejia LHP (AA)
5. Mac Williamson OF (AA)
6. Christian Arroyo SS (Low A)
7. Heath Hembree RHP (Giants)
8. Ty Blach RHP (AA)
9. Joe Panik 2B (AAA)
10. Clayton Blackburn RHP (AA)
Brisbee's list differs only in that:
#3 Blach (instead of #8)
Arroyo and Williamson flipped
#7 Stratton (instead of #3)
#8 Blackburn (instead of #10)
#9 Andrew Susac (surprisingly not on Baggarly's list)
#10 Panik (instead of #9)
Hembree not on list, although not surprisingly at all, Heath is listed as the minor leaguer with the best chance of playing for the Giants this season.
Intriguingly, Brisbee has former #1 prospect Gary Brown at #2 on the likelihood list, well ahead of Ehire Adrianza, who is only #9 on the list despite being perhaps a likely call-up if Brandon Crawford were injured.
Escobar has definitely caught the Giants' immediate attention and is #3 on the callup list. Evans' (and others') liking of reliever Derek Law puts him #4 on the list.
Baseball America headlines their list "Shallow system lets Giants down," but the way several players have moved well up on the list impresses me. A couple of years ago Brown was ranked #1 and Panik #2, and now only Panik barely even makes the list.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 10, 2013 7:53:28 GMT -5
Rog, you made the point in another thread about Crick possibly being a reliever, but he has number one starter stuff and may be the only one that does. I think the Sabean reliever talk comes from the fact that the Giants have him pegged for the 2016 rotation, and his stuff is so good they think he might be ready before that. They decided to go with Vogey on a one year deal with the thought that Escobar would take his place in 2015 if Vogey has a good year, or even sooner if he doesn't. Crick would come the following year when the two Tim's contracts expire.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 10, 2013 10:23:37 GMT -5
I would be disappointed if both Crick and Escobar aren't in SF by 2015.
~Dood
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Post by Islandboagie on Dec 10, 2013 10:45:11 GMT -5
Mark- I think the Sabean reliever talk comes from the fact that the Giants have him pegged for the 2016 rotation, and his stuff is so good they think he might be ready before that.
Boagie- Apparently a number of the scouts think he's more suited as a reliever because they don't think he can hold up for 200 innings. Too early to make that assessment, IMO.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 10, 2013 13:34:09 GMT -5
Mark -- Rog, you made the point in another thread about Crick possibly being a reliever, but he has number one starter stuff and may be the only one that does. Rog -- He likely IS the only one who does. And the Giants are concerned about his innings. For that reason, they might get him more minor league starting experience this season and then bring him up later in the season as a reliever. That might be a way to maximize his 2014 experience without pressing too hard on his innings total. Mark -- I think the Sabean reliever talk comes from the fact that the Giants have him pegged for the 2016 rotation, and his stuff is so good they think he might be ready before that. Rog -- I think it is an innings thing. It has been demonstrated that when young starting pitchers increase their innings too much from year to year, they can run into arm problems later. Kyle's injuries this past season limited his innings development. If Kyle stays healthy this season, I wouldn't think the limitations on his 2015 innings would be too great, and by 2016 I don't think there should be a worry. Mark -- They decided to go with Vogey on a one year deal with the thought that Escobar would take his place in 2015 if Vogey has a good year, or even sooner if he doesn't. Crick would come the following year when the two Tim's contracts expire. Rog -- The Giants have several strong pitching prospects, and it wouldn't be unusual for three or more of them to be ready by 2016. It's probably reasonable that by the end of Hudson's contract, he'll be heading into the downside of his career, so as you say Escobar and Crick would protect against the likely loss of Hudson and Vogelsong. Having at least one more starter ready would protect against losing Tim Lincecum, although if Tim pitches decently the next two seasons, I suspect the Giants will once again like to keep him. The youngsters also provide a way to keep salaries down. I don't think enough credit has been given to both the Giants and Madison Bumgarner for the club-friendly contract he signed. It will help with payroll for many seasons to come. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2128&page=1#17505#ixzz2n628va9B |
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 10, 2013 20:39:57 GMT -5
Madison Bumgarner may be the most underpaid player in all of baseball. I wonder how he'll feel in upcoming years when pitchers nowhere near as good as him are making much more money. Judging from his character it won't bother him, but another player would be firing his agent and trying to get them to renegotiate.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 10, 2013 21:17:25 GMT -5
Interesting. Should the Giants have been in touch with Timmy's agent over the last two years trying to get him to renegotiate?
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 11, 2013 12:33:05 GMT -5
Allen -- Madison Bumgarner may be the most underpaid player in all of baseball. I wonder how he'll feel in upcoming years when pitchers nowhere near as good as him are making much more money. Judging from his character it won't bother him, but another player would be firing his agent and trying to get them to renegotiate. Rog -- My guess is that Mad Bum knew what he was doing when he signed the contract, that he was willing to trade riches for security, and that he wasn't trying to break the bank. The guy seems to be pretty unassuming. Gotta love that kind of attitude. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2128&page=1#17551#ixzz2nBkgIdEk |
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 11, 2013 12:34:11 GMT -5
Oops. That was Mark, not Allen. Sorry.
I should have looked more closely, since to be honest I was surprised the comment had come from Allen (or so I thought).
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 11, 2013 12:40:02 GMT -5
Allen -- Interesting. Should the Giants have been in touch with Timmy's agent over the last two years trying to get him to renegotiate? Rog -- Perhaps not. By the way, teams won't usually renegotiate, but sometimes they extend. When the Giants extended Matt Cain, I believe they included some bonus money, effectively increasing the value of the end of the previous contract. I have posted this before, and ultimately it didn't cost the Giants a huge amount of money in the overall scheme of things, but when they first extended Matt, they reportedly could have added a year at the same price but were concerned by loose bodies in his elbow. When they later extended him at a higher price, it cost them something like $5 million. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2128&page=1#ixzz2nBlfdQaB |
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Post by allenreed on Dec 11, 2013 12:45:40 GMT -5
I'm just always amused atople who say the club should rengoter performs above expectations, but somehow the converse doesn't apply.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 11, 2013 13:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 11, 2013 13:38:05 GMT -5
Another thing that gives me hope about the Giants' prospect list is that Heath Hembree is ranked only 7th. I consider Heath to be a pretty decent prospect, so if the Giants have six others who are even better, that's pretty good.
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