sfgdood
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Dec 18, 2013 21:52:04 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Dec 18, 2013 21:52:04 GMT -5
Former Giant Jesus Guzman has been traded to the Astros for infielder Ryan Jackson. Good riddance. He kills us.
Dood - not since Madison buzzed his ass and fixed his little red wagon
~Dood
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 19, 2013 7:53:48 GMT -5
I think they have to make two moves for Vogey and Morse. Rumors are they're working on minor trades, one being Brett Pill to Milwaukee. Milwaukee is also trying to get Ike Davis from the Mets, so the Pill thing won't happen unless they don't get Ike.
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Dec 19, 2013 8:58:40 GMT -5
Post by sharksrog on Dec 19, 2013 8:58:40 GMT -5
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Dec 21, 2013 22:25:07 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Dec 21, 2013 22:25:07 GMT -5
Emmanuel Burriss has signed a minor league deal with the Nationals.
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Dec 21, 2013 22:35:23 GMT -5
Post by sharksrog on Dec 21, 2013 22:35:23 GMT -5
The Giants have apparently signed several to minor league contracts, primarily pitchers. But there were no names that were familiar to me.
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Dec 23, 2013 17:47:06 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Dec 23, 2013 17:47:06 GMT -5
Eric Surkamp was claimed by the White Sox.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 23, 2013 20:43:26 GMT -5
According to Schulman, the Giants are searching for a veteran free agent reliever, and they'll keep the spot opened by the Pill -Korea deal until then. Dodgers signed two relievers today, former Indians closer Chris Perez and Jamey Wright. They now have two closers as set up men, Perez and Wilson.
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Dec 23, 2013 23:37:22 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Dec 23, 2013 23:37:22 GMT -5
Giants were rumored to be talking to Grant Balfour.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 24, 2013 9:13:26 GMT -5
I know the Yankees and Rays have interest too. I'm pretty sure the Giants will get outbid by someone who needs a closer, and the Yankees are pretty much spending a fortune this offseason.
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Dec 24, 2013 10:38:23 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Dec 24, 2013 10:38:23 GMT -5
I really don't see the Giants as needing Balfour, do you? I can picture his getting here and wanting to close, and bitching if he isn't. He's a bit of a loose cannon. Plus I think there's something physically wrong with the guy. The O's backed out of their deal, and the A's were willing to let him go.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 24, 2013 15:04:30 GMT -5
I believe he's 36, and power pitchers tend to start declining even earlier than that. The Orioles had concerns about his shoulder, so that certainly bears watching. Then again, he's looking for 7 million per year, and that's not much more than the Giants are paying lesser pitchers like Affeldt and Casilla.
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Dec 29, 2013 21:13:14 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Dec 29, 2013 21:13:14 GMT -5
Guilermo Moscoso has signed with the Yokohama team in the Japan league.
Giants are said to still be talking to the Yankees about Ichiro. I'm not sure I see the point of this.
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Dec 30, 2013 11:04:55 GMT -5
Post by sharksrog on Dec 30, 2013 11:04:55 GMT -5
Allen -- Giants are said to still be talking to the Yankees about Ichiro. I'm not sure I see the point of this. Rog -- If Ichiro can be had cheaply enough, he certainly has the experience to help. He would be somewhat redundant to Blanco, but a team almost can't have too many good players. Whether Ichiro remains one though, is in question. Four negatives are that his swinging strike, first pitch strikes, swings outside the strike zone, and infield fly ball percentages were at career highs last season. I guess that's too many negatives, really. But I was just thinking yesterday that while the Giants have a fair number of position players they gave chances to as youngsters, they do like veterans -- likely because the veterans have actually shown they can perform at the major league level. The question then becomes, can they still do so? In Ichiro's case I'm not optimistic, so I'm much more with you than I was before this morning. Three attributes he does possess are fielding, throwing and the ability to steal a base (20 for 24 last season). Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2113&page=2#18152#ixzz2oySYJMJh
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Dec 30, 2013 12:15:42 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Dec 30, 2013 12:15:42 GMT -5
I can only see him as insurance if someone gets hurt. If everyone is healthy, he won't see much action. I'm not sure he'll be happy with that. I'd rather see the Giants try to develop a younger player than spend alot of money on a semi-useless Ichiro.
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Dec 31, 2013 6:33:44 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Dec 31, 2013 6:33:44 GMT -5
Dood - I thought you said that Brown was a total bust Rog -- While this was in reaction to Mark's comment, not mine, IMO you should really stop overreacting to what others say, Randy. I don't believe Mark ever said that he thought Brown was a total bust, so why do you put words in his mouth that he never spoke? We've gone 'round and 'round about Brown, but I think pretty much all of us realize 2014 is a huge season for him. Right now he's a prospect/suspect/I don't know-pect. A strong season would renew his status as a prospect, while another bad one would reduce him to suspect status. Gary could play himself into the Giants' starting lineup this season. Or he could play himself to the point where the Giants worry that he might be, as you said, a total bust. And then perhaps Mark will think and say so too. Until then, I believe you're the only one who has mentioned it. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2113/moves#ixzz2p3D7ZQ3c
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sfgdood
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Dec 31, 2013 14:11:04 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Dec 31, 2013 14:11:04 GMT -5
You're splitting hairs. Rx and you may not have said the Bobby Brady exact words "total bust" but that certainly was the inference. Let me ask you right here and right now, since you love to make projections, what do you think is more likely...Brown will be a bust or he will be an All Star?
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Jan 1, 2014 15:37:33 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jan 1, 2014 15:37:33 GMT -5
Randy -- You're splitting hairs. Rx and you may not have said the Bobby Brady exact words "total bust" but that certainly was the inference. Rog -- Actually, you're right here. That WAS the inference. YOUR inference. It wasn't something that Mark or I implied. Randy -- Let me ask you right here and right now, since you love to make projections, what do you think is more likely...Brown will be a bust or he will be an All Star? Rog -- That depends on how one defines bust. If he defines it as not making the major leagues, I think there is at least as much chance that Gary will be an All-Star as a bust. But if you define bust as a player who doesn't meet expectations, I'd have to go with bust. Wouldn't you? At this point I would most certainly take his becoming an effective starter. Even when Brown was highly successful at San Jose, his scouting reports were slightly mixed. Now they're more mixed in the opposite direction. I would LOVE to see you be right here, Randy. I simply doubt you will be. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2113/moves#page=2#ixzz2pBGRkq2R
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Jan 4, 2014 19:26:12 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 4, 2014 19:26:12 GMT -5
Aubrey Huff has announced his retirement. I thought the Giants did that for him last year.
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Jan 9, 2014 19:06:37 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 9, 2014 19:06:37 GMT -5
Jeff Franceour signed a minor league deal with Cleveland. Xavier Nady signed a minor league deal with San Diego.
Ryan Theriot announced his retirement. Confusing. Ryan was a very serviceable player in 2012. He didn't play at all last year. Anyone got a reason for this?
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Jan 10, 2014 14:18:57 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 10, 2014 14:18:57 GMT -5
The Giants have signed Dontrelle Willis to a minor league contract.
Mike Fontenot has signed a minor league deal with invite with Washington, who had earlier signed Manny Burriss. Seems they're collecting Giant backup infielders.
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Jan 13, 2014 20:36:04 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 13, 2014 20:36:04 GMT -5
Minor league contracts with invite: Kameron Loe, J.C. Gutierrez, Sandy Rosario.
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Jan 15, 2014 15:20:46 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 15, 2014 15:20:46 GMT -5
Former Giant farmy Brock Bond has signed a minor league deal with the Orioles.
Dan Runzler will make yet another stab at it, signing a minor league deal with the Giants.
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Jan 17, 2014 11:01:12 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 17, 2014 11:01:12 GMT -5
Brad Penny and Guillermo Mota have signed minor league deals with the Royals.
Alot of speculation during the season on what Bud Norris would sign for. he just inked a one year deal with the Orioles for $5.3 million. Fairly cheap.
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Jan 17, 2014 11:10:03 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 17, 2014 11:10:03 GMT -5
Read somewhere that the Cubs are one of the frontrunners for Tanaks. Hope so. He'll be absolutely useless for the Cubs. They need alot more than one pitcher, even a very good one.
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Jan 17, 2014 14:00:32 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jan 17, 2014 14:00:32 GMT -5
Allen -- Alot of speculation during the season on what Bud Norris would sign for. he just inked a one year deal with the Orioles for $5.3 million. Fairly cheap. Rog -- I don't believe we did speculate about what Bud would make this year. Since he's not a free agent, it was fairly predictable. Bud was a 2nd-year arbitration-eligible player this offseason. 2nd-year arbs usually make about 60% of what they're considered worth as a free agent. As a 1st-year arb, he had made $3.0 million. 1st-year arbs usually make about 40% of their market value. That means Bud's market value a year ago was pegged as about $7.5 million per season, and this year it is pegged at close to $9 mill. Given his 4.18 ERA last season, that sounds like a reasonable increase. Incidentally, Bud's career ERA+ is 91. A starting pitcher who is perhaps 9% below average is worth about $9 million in today's market. That's why I believe you were underestimating the market for starting pitchers. You could say that Bud is making only a reasonable $5.3 million as you did. But his salary was held down by perhaps 40% by his not being eligible for free agency. One thing that does appear to be limiting free agency salaries a bit is the first draft choice compensation tied to signing players who have received a qualifying offer. If a team thinks its potential free agent has a salary value approaching $15 million, it seldom would make sense not to make a qualifying offer. I'm not saying that the Giants made a mistake by re-signing Lincecum and Pence, but it would have been intriguing to see how making the duo qualifying offers would have affected their ability to get paid on the open market. And for those who say the players shouldn't become free agents, now teams can limit the amount their top free agents are likely to make if the team makes a qualifying offer. Look at the well-below-market contract Kyle Lohse got last season. Lohse might actually have been better off to accept the qualifying offer and see how he might fare longer term this offseason. But he would have been taking on two different types of risk: First, as an older free agent, he risked not getting that longer contract. Second, he also risked simply being given a qualifying offer again this year -- and facing the free agent market a year older. Except that his signing team had to relinquish a draft pick, Lohse might have been the biggest signing bargain of last offseason. Certainly one of the best. He signed for 3/$33. His last three ERA's have now been 3.39, 2.86 and 3.35. That's Hall of Fame level pitching. Here's something a bit ironic. Kyle's won-loss record during those three seasons has been 41-21. That's likely about the winning percentage Jack Morris would have racked up if he had pitched as well over his career as Kyle has the past three seasons. Jack had that much run support. Lohse himself has had good run support two of the past three seasons, at 4.64, 4.32 and 3.92. Not too shocking, is it, that he went a combined 30-11 the first two seasons with the good run support and only 11-10 this past year with the low run support. I guess Kyle pitched "just well enough to win" in 2011 and 2012, then lost that ability last season. Ark, ark. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2113/moves?page=2#ixzz2qgNIYzfD
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Jan 17, 2014 14:59:02 GMT -5
Post by allenreed on Jan 17, 2014 14:59:02 GMT -5
Allen -- Alot of speculation during the season on what Bud Norris would sign for. he just inked a one year deal with the Orioles for $5.3 million. Fairly cheap. Rog -- I don't believe we did speculate about what Bud would make this year. Since he's not a free agent, it was fairly predictable. Allen- Rog,you are not necessarily we.
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Jan 17, 2014 21:47:55 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jan 17, 2014 21:47:55 GMT -5
Allen -- Alot of speculation during the season on what Bud Norris would sign for. he just inked a one year deal with the Orioles for $5.3 million. Fairly cheap. Rog -- I don't believe we did speculate about what Bud would make this year. Since he's not a free agent, it was fairly predictable. Allen- Rog,you are not necessarily we. Rog -- No question about that. And we did speculate quite a bit about what various potential free agent starters might make. Norris isn't yet eligible for free agency. His salary was rather predictable. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2113/moves?page=2#ixzz2qiLjAqoH
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Jan 17, 2014 21:59:07 GMT -5
Post by Rog on Jan 17, 2014 21:59:07 GMT -5
The thing we DID discuss about Bud was that he was under team control for two more years. I had a hard time deciding whether I would trade Gary Brown and Joe Panik for him, finally deciding I would do so. In my evaluation, the Astros got more than that for Norris.
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Jan 19, 2014 10:11:27 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jan 19, 2014 10:11:27 GMT -5
Read somewhere that the Cubs are one of the frontrunners for Tanaks. Hope so. He'll be absolutely useless for the Cubs.
----boly says---
I heard on Thursday of last week, I think it was on ESPN radio, that Tanaka's wife wants to go to the west coast. At that time they said the Angles and Dodgers were the only 2 players remaining.
boly
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sfgdood
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Jan 22, 2014 22:30:18 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Jan 22, 2014 22:30:18 GMT -5
I heard that the Giants were not even one of the teams who extended an offer...so much for them being big time players in the International market
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