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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 11:28:10 GMT -5
There has been some discussion here about moving Belt to Lf.
Most seem to have poo-pooed it, and though it's NOT my first choice, IF we were to come up with a banger who only played 1B, I don't think it's a bad idea.
Belt can run some. He's not like Burrell out there, but I also acknowledge that he's also not like Blanco either.
But I truely believe he would give us better than average range.
And IF... we had a banger at 1B, that would give us a pretty darned solid line up.
Late in the game, slide Brandon to 1B, and put in a defensive outfielder.
Consider:
Pagan
Scutaro
Belt
Posey
Banger*
Pence*
Sandoval*
Crawford
Those names with an "*" are interchangeable in the line up.
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 13, 2013 15:01:34 GMT -5
I like Belt defensively at first, plus I think there's probably a lot more options in the outfield for us. Ellsbury would be the desired acquisition for me. I would prefer they get someone to bat in the first two spots and move Scutaro to the 7th spot..I'd like to have a professional hitter towards the bottom to pick up some of those base runners. Just my opinion.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 13, 2013 15:06:16 GMT -5
The desired lineup:
1. Pagan
2. Ellsbury
3. Belt
4. Posey
5. Sandoval
6. Pence
7. Scutaro
8. Crawford
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 19:37:53 GMT -5
I like Belt defensively at first, plus I think there's probably a lot more options in the outfield for us. Ellsbury would be the desired acquisition for me. I would prefer they get someone to bat in the first two spots and move Scutaro to the 7th spot..I'd like to have a professional hitter towards the bottom to pick up some of those base runners. Just my opinion.
---boly says---
Actually, boagie, I agree with you.
I'd LOVE ellsbury... but I just don't see it happening.
He's my idea of a 1 hole guy.
But...
1-I think Giant management loves, or is simply fine with Pagan 1 hole.
I'm not, and I don't.
For me, he's an 8 hole, or 6 hole guy.
Doesn't get on base enough.
2-I think management will demand a banger in LF, or, failing that, as I said, will try to get one to play 1B and move Belt to LF.
Bottom line; they want a run producer, and Ellsbury isn't that guy.
boly
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 19:39:29 GMT -5
1. Pagan
2. Ellsbury
3. Belt
4. Posey
5. Sandoval
6. Pence
7. Scutaro
8. Crawford
---boly says---
Sorry, Boagie, but no thanks.
Pagan shouldn't hit one hole. Like I wrote in another post, he doesn't get on base enough.
I also don't think they'll ever move Scutaro out of the 2 hole.
Rog suggested he hit down in the line up before this season started, but I'm convinced we'll never see that.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 13, 2013 19:44:36 GMT -5
I can't see the Giants making the huge expenditure to keep Pence and then also signing one of the other big name outfielders on the market like Ellsbury. I think they'll look to trade for a corner outfielder and if they fail at that, a first baseman. I could also see them signing that Cuban free agent first baseman Abreu though. I heard they were in DR a few days ago checking him out.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 19:46:26 GMT -5
I could also see them signing that Cuban free agent first baseman Abreu though. I heard they were in DR a few days ago checking him out.
---boly says---
That's what I read, too, Mark. And I agree.
Thus, my post.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Sept 14, 2013 11:09:31 GMT -5
We don't need Ellsbury. Pagan is plenty good. We need a power hitter.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 18:07:13 GMT -5
Boagie -- I would prefer they get someone to bat in the first two spots and move Scutaro to the 7th spot..I'd like to have a professional hitter towards the bottom to pick up some of those base runners. Rog -- Entering this season, I favored Blanco and Pagan at the top of the order. That said, Marco has only 31 RBI's despite hitting with 279 runners on base, 128 of them in scoring position. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2003#ixzz2f0P0b8EV |
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 18, 2013 14:50:59 GMT -5
Marco's always bunting in the first inning after the leadoff man has gotten on. That drives me crazy! Drive him in yourself or get a hit that sets up a big inning. He's too good a hitter to be giving up his turn at bat like that. Leave that to the Emmanuel Burris' of the world. Besides, one of the old baseball axioms I agree with is never give a pitcher the first out of a game. A lot of good pitchers have first inning troubles before settling in, and you're just handing him an out.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 19, 2013 0:12:20 GMT -5
Mark -- Marco's always bunting in the first inning after the leadoff man has gotten on. That drives me crazy! Rog -- IMO, it's idiotic. That early in the game, he has given up outs in games that the Giants wound up losing by several runs. It would be kind of like a basketball team stalling in the first quarter with no scoring in the game. If Marco isn't a good enough hitter to swing away in that situation (especially with his swing and bat control's being geared for him to hit behind the runner), he shouldn't be batting second. But he IS a good enough hitter. It's kind of like Clint Hurdle's having his team doing a lot of bunting when he was managing the Rockies -- even in Coors Field. I know managers like to get the first run of a game. I know they like to take the lead. Sometimes they really want to tie up a game late (which makes more sense). But usually sacrificing is just that -- a sacrifice. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2003&page=1#15074#ixzz2fJLg2jX0 |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 19, 2013 0:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 19, 2013 0:19:15 GMT -5
Mark -- I can't see the Giants making the huge expenditure to keep Pence and then also signing one of the other big name outfielders on the market like Ellsbury. Rog -- Right on the money, Mark. How can the Giants afford BOTH outfielders? Maybe if they didn't re-sign Tim and instead went with Yusmeiro Petit. Or traded Matt Cain, and I can't see that happening. There was an article recently explaining how the Giants have already spent next season's Barry Zito savings, with the money going to Posey, Bumgarner, Sandoval and Belt. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2003&page=1#ixzz2fJSANvG8 |
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Post by dk on Sept 19, 2013 0:40:02 GMT -5
Mark -- I can't see the Giants making the huge expenditure to keep Pence and then also signing one of the other big name outfielders on the market like Ellsbury. Rog -- Right on the money, Mark. How can the Giants afford BOTH outfielders? Maybe if they didn't re-sign Tim and instead went with Yusmeiro Petit. Or traded Matt Cain, and I can't see that happening. There was an article recently explaining how the Giants have already spent next season's Barry Zito savings, with the money going to Posey, Bumgarner, Sandoval and Belt. dk..the Giants have you guys so snowed under you would believe anything.....the Giants sell out every game, the rent the ball park for other events all year long, they sell more crap in their stores than the bring in from tickets...and the TV money ihas been jumped up so high there is plenty of money to go around...and you guys sweat out the payroll which is no where near the top in baseball..... |
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Post by allenreed on Sept 19, 2013 0:43:09 GMT -5
Doesn't matter how much they have. It's how much they're willing to spend.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 19, 2013 2:09:22 GMT -5
dk..the Giants have you guys so snowed under you would believe anything.....the Giants sell out every game, the rent the ball park for other events all year long, they sell more crap in their stores than the bring in from tickets...and the TV money ihas been jumped up so high there is plenty of money to go around...and you guys sweat out the payroll which is no where near the top in baseball.....
Boagie- im not an expert..but here's my take on it. i think the Giants screwed themselves by signing a 25 year contract in 2008 with Comcast. I know prior to that, cable companies had to bid for the rights to the baseball packages. Soon after they allowed ALL the cable companies to have packages, because of that those contract prices blew up. So the Giants will have trouble keeping up with the Dodgers and other large market teams. They aren't poor, but they don't have money to toss around like they would have if they signed a few year deal. Luckily the Giants did buy up about 30% of Comcast Bay Area which will get them some revenue, but still not as much as they would have had, but enough that they can remain somewhat competitive.
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Post by dk on Sept 19, 2013 15:26:27 GMT -5
dk..the Giants have you guys so snowed under you would believe anything.....the Giants sell out every game, the rent the ball park for other events all year long, they sell more crap in their stores than the bring in from tickets...and the TV money ihas been jumped up so high there is plenty of money to go around...and you guys sweat out the payroll which is no where near the top in baseball..... Boagie- im not an expert..but here's my take on it. i think the Giants screwed themselves by signing a 25 year contract in 2008 with Comcast. I know prior to that, cable companies had to bid for the rights to the baseball packages. Soon after they allowed ALL the cable companies to have packages, because of that those contract prices blew up. So the Giants will have trouble keeping up with the Dodgers and other large market teams. They aren't poor, but they don't have money to toss around like they would have if they signed a few year deal. Luckily the Giants did buy up about 30% of Comcast Bay Area which will get them some revenue, but still not as much as they would have had, but enough that they can remain somewhat competitive. dk..the Giants always were hiding their TV revenue in a separate company..However, I think the biggest source of TV revenue is the national contracts MLB has with Fox and the cable companies..... |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 20, 2013 4:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by sfgdood on Oct 8, 2013 2:05:42 GMT -5
As to the Scutaro portion of this thread it is a long used (although not by everybody) theory in baseball to play for one run early and late (if appropriate) and go for the big innings at all other times. It seems to me that Scutaro was brought up in this philosophy.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 8, 2013 19:28:07 GMT -5
Randy -- As to the Scutaro portion of this thread it is a long used (although not by everybody) theory in baseball to play for one run early and late (if appropriate) and go for the big innings at all other times. It seems to me that Scutaro was brought up in this philosophy. Rog -- I think you're right on the money. Fortunately, "the book" is gradually changing as more is learned. Playing for one run late often makes sense. Playing for one run early usually doesn't IMO. With a runner on second and nobody out, how in the world can a player or manager have a good idea how many runs it will take to win? In addition, with Marco's stroke and his contact ability, shouldn't he be able to advance the runner a high percentage of the time WITHOUT bunting. And that way he has a much better chance of actually reaching base instead of creating one of the 27 available outs. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2003#ixzz2hBDQIweg |
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