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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 9, 2013 15:29:56 GMT -5
I guess I'm too much of a synic, or maybe my standards are way too high. I don't know which it is, but honestly... even though he allowed only 2 runs, I was NOT impressed with Matt's command. Not at all. IMHO, he was all over the place. He couldn't consistantly locate anywhere in the strike zone, and some of the outs they hit were flat out ropes! But that's pretty much the tale of most of Cain's starts this year. For whatever the reason, he suddenly has contracted light case of the "Timmy Syndrome:" Loss of strike zone command  boly |
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 9, 2013 15:48:16 GMT -5
I think this is a bit harsh, maybe. I give Matt a pass due to having time off and he has proven over his career that he has great control. I would have shut him down but there really is no medical reason he can't pitch. I didn't see much of Saturday's game because I was on college football mode, but I think maybe you're picking nits here, especially when it might have just been a bit of rust.
~Dood
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 9, 2013 16:56:29 GMT -5
I think this is a bit harsh, maybe. I give Matt a pass due to having time off and he has proven over his career that he has great control. I would have shut him down but there really is no medical reason he can't pitch. I didn't see much of Saturday's game because I was on college football mode, but I think maybe you're picking nits here, especially when it might have just been a bit of rust
---boly says---
Randy, even though you didn't see much of the game, that's a fair critique.
But here's the thing; he only missed 15 days, and it's not like he wasn't throwing.
In fact, Krukow said that he'd had a 95 pitch bullpen, so honestly, he wasn't likely to have been that rusty.
I think he's been off all year long.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 10, 2013 9:58:38 GMT -5
What Boly says about Matt seems to be very true.
There is another side to the story though. Matt has probably pitched better than his 4.37 ERA indicates.
His 1.16 WHIP is 27th in the majors. That just doesn't correspond to a 4.37 ERA, which is 68th best. By comparison, Tim Lincecum ranks #70 in ERA (4.40), with a more corresponding 1.33 WHIP (#58).
Matt has been hurt by yielding 21 home runs, but he has yielded that many or more three previous seasons.
On the positive side, Matt's 63% first strike percentage is the highest of his career. As has been the case with Tim Lincecum the past couple of seasons, Matt hasn't been consistent with his command, and teams have made him pay.
Unless something is wrong with his arm, look for a significant bounce back next season.
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Post by dk on Sept 10, 2013 12:15:13 GMT -5
What Boly says about Matt seems to be very true. There is another side to the story though. Matt has probably pitched better than his 4.37 ERA indicates. His 1.16 WHIP is 27th in the majors. That just doesn't correspond to a 4.37 ERA, which is 68th best. By comparison, Tim Lincecum ranks #70 in ERA (4.40), with a more corresponding 1.33 WHIP (#58). Matt has been hurt by yielding 21 home runs, but he has yielded that many or more three previous seasons. On the positive side, Matt's 63% first strike percentage is the highest of his career. As has been the case with Tim Lincecum the past couple of seasons, Matt hasn't been consistent with his command, and teams have made him pay. Unless something is wrong with his arm, look for a significant bounce back next season dk..WHIP is a deceiving stat because it uses hits and not total bases. Also, there is no way of showing how many of those hits and walks are lumped together in one inning..Matt gave up 21 homers last year but in many more innings...he has never been close to this high number of homers per innings pitched....one thing that clouds Matt's record this year is that Bochy left Matt in several games when he was giving up too many hits in order to "save" the bull pen....if you take out his 2 worst games, his ERA would drop to 3.56....17 runs in 6 innings....if you drop out his 5 worse games, his ERA drops to 2.73...reaching a little here, but Matt should have been out of those games before he gave up all those runs. The hoss needs more time in the barn during the winter and he should be fine for next season.... |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 11, 2013 0:31:56 GMT -5
dk..WHIP is a deceiving stat because it uses hits and not total bases. Rog -- It also values a walk as same as a hit. I like to use OPS against. Matt is #36 in that category at .687, still far ahead of where he is in ERA. That isn't too far off his career .660 mark. Not saying that Matt has pitched as well as in the past; simply saying he has been closer than his ERA indicates. Matt's 7.7 hits per nine are just over his 7.5 career mark, and his 2.8 walks per nine are better than his 3.0 career average. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1999&page=1#14826#ixzz2eYiI5yQo |
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