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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 7, 2013 10:16:05 GMT -5
Inches... just a few inches.
At the Plate, and in right field.
Inches...
I've thrown no hitters, but I've only come close to a perfect game once, so I sort of know what it feels like.
But come within one pitch. Wow. That is something special.
Whether we like it or not, he just put himself into the Giant's braintrust for either a spot in the rotation, or simply a long look next spring.
His last 3 starts have simply been incredible, but honestly, I have to wonder if it's simply an illusion.
When one pulls up his minor league numbers, they are far from impressive and DON'T show the masterful control he's showed with us lately.
Last year, 92 IP, 16 Hrs, and an ERA of 4.52
2010 (he didn't even have a pro contract in 2011 is seems), 54 ip, 9 HRs, and a 4.85 ERA.
I've loved what I've seen, but honestly, I'm going to be sceptical and hold my breath until he can have this kind of control, or close to it, over 10-15 starts.
Meanwhile?
I'm soooooo happy for him and his wife!
And I'm just going to enjoy the ride!
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 7, 2013 11:03:50 GMT -5
I would trade him before he gets popped.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 7, 2013 17:56:59 GMT -5
Boly, I have to disagree with you about his control. If you check his numbers since 2009 in the minor leagues, he's been consistently under two walks per innings. I read the always excellent Grant Brisbee at McCovey, and he made the point that if you compare the career arcs of Ryan Vogelsong and Yusmeiro Petit, the latter would be a far more likely candidate to finally put it together because of his excellent control. I would personally throw Chad Gaudin into this equation as well. Yusmeiro has far better control than them and he is far younger. His problem in the past hasn't been his control, it's that his stuff is very hittable, but right now he's putting almost every pitch exactly where he wants it. He was just very unfortunate last night that Eric Chavez, a very smart hitter was up there last night as the last hitter, because almost any other major league hitter would have swung at one of those three pitches he took.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 7, 2013 18:58:09 GMT -5
Boly, I have to disagree with you about his control. If you check his numbers since 2009 in the minor leagues, he's been consistently under two walks per innings.
---boly says---
Mark, you misunderstand.
I'm not questioning his ability to throw strikes. The minor league numbers show he does just that.
What I was talking 'control' I meant in the strike zone, but missing his spots... thus the HIGH numbers of HR's he gave up in the minor leagues.
and it was high.
Last 2 years 25 HR's given up in ONLY 146 innings.
That's not good.
What Petit reminds me of, sort of, is Kirk Rueter, with a little more giddy-up.
Kirk HAD to hit his spots, and he couldn't miss.
Same with Petit.
Like I say, my fingers are crossed.
I just want to watch him throughout September and see if he can command the knees like he has.
Lord knows I don't expect games like last night every time out.
But I agree with you about him and Gaudin; they should both be IN the equation somewhere for next year.
I agree with Chavez, too. Nice piece of hitting.
90% of the Arizona hitters WOULD have chased that 2-2 pitch.
it was a good pitch.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Sept 7, 2013 21:25:42 GMT -5
Petit reminds me more of (God help me, and him) Livan.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 8, 2013 10:33:24 GMT -5
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 9, 2013 15:40:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily count on Petit getting "popped" if he keeps hitting his spots. I have to say that I was even more blown away with his poise and control under the pressure of a perfect game situation than I had been previously. I have a really good feeling about this guy. Time will tell but really impressive stuff thus far.
~Dood
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 9, 2013 15:42:49 GMT -5
Also...I think with all things being equal, if the Giants are not going to go after someone more high profile...then given the choice between Petit and Gaudin as a starter, I'd go with Petit, as much for the betterment of the bullpen as the rotation.
~Dood
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 9, 2013 16:58:38 GMT -5
Also...I think with all things being equal, if the Giants are not going to go after someone more high profile...then given the choice between Petit and Gaudin as a starter, I'd go with Petit, as much for the betterment of the bullpen as the rotation.
-=-boly says---
Randy, this is in response to both of your posts.
I agree with you. He was impressive and showed tremendous poise.
He's just not a marquee (sp?) name up there with Kershaw and Greinke and Billingsley.
The ONLY thing that concerns me is those 25 HRs in the last 2 seasons, in less than 150 IP...
that means he's throwing strikes... but fatter strikes than he can avoid.
boly
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 9, 2013 17:28:06 GMT -5
That IS a concern but of course playing in the big fly happy PCL will often lend itself to a higher HR total than you can reasonably expect in the big leagues, and especially at AT&T. I would worry more about that if he were put in the bullpen than being a starter, as he is more used to starting. Gaudin is used to both. I would start with Yusmeiro as a starter and Gaudin (again, assuming no better options are exercised by the Giants and that Gaudin is not in some penitentiary) in the bullpen. Chad is accustomed to either role and if Yusmeiro starts to get cuffed around, we would have Chad as a backup option.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 9, 2013 18:02:24 GMT -5
Randy -- That IS a concern but of course playing in the big fly happy PCL will often lend itself to a higher HR total than you can reasonably expect in the big leagues, and especially at AT&T. I would worry more about that if he were put in the bullpen than being a starter, as he is more used to starting. Gaudin is used to both. I would start with Yusmeiro as a starter and Gaudin (again, assuming no better options are exercised by the Giants and that Gaudin is not in some penitentiary) in the bullpen. Chad is accustomed to either role and if Yusmeiro starts to get cuffed around, we would have Chad as a backup option. Rog -- Why not have a competition between the two? By the way, regarding homers in the PCL compared to homers in the majors, Matt Cain's home run rate dropped from 1.4 at Fresno to 0.8 in the majors, but Tim Lincecum's rose from 0.0 to 0.7, and Madison Bumgarner's rose from 0.5 to 0.8. I'm not sure there is a huge difference in home runs allowed against lesser hitters in the PCL or against better hitters in the majors. Yusmeiro's career major league rate is 1.8 compared to 1.2 in AAA. I suppose it might vary from pitcher to pitcher, but overall, I'm not sure a pitcher gives up more homers in the majors than in the PCL. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1997&page=1#14805#ixzz2eRGxmVmZ |
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 11, 2013 9:53:16 GMT -5
As I posted in another thread, the Giants don't think Petit is anything more than a long reliever. I'm not sure there's enough season left to change their minds.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 11, 2013 13:19:37 GMT -5
Not what I heard Bochy say.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 12, 2013 14:21:59 GMT -5
Bochy doesn't make those decisions though, they're made above him. If the Giants provide him with Cain, Bumgarner, Lincecum, Vogelsong and sign a FA starter in the offseason, Petit becomes a reliever whether Bochy likes it or not.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 12, 2013 15:52:09 GMT -5
Bochy doesn't make those decisions though, they're made above him. If the Giants provide him with Cain, Bumgarner, Lincecum, Vogelsong and sign a FA starter in the offseason, Petit becomes a reliever whether Bochy likes it or not
---boly says---
I really hope this is not the case, Mark, even though I suspect it is.
I'm not sure I would take a job knowing that my managing will be micro-managed by non baseball people.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Sept 12, 2013 16:39:36 GMT -5
I would imagine that Bochy has considerable input.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 13, 2013 9:34:31 GMT -5
Boly -- I'm not sure I would take a job knowing that my managing will be micro-managed by non baseball people. Rog -- Why not? We micro-manage Giants managers here all the time!  Realistically though, I believe it is the job of the general manager to acquire the players and the field manager to utilize them as he sees fit. In reality, Bruce and Brian work closely together, so those lines overlap. While there no doubt is disagreement as will always be the case in business and sports, I suspect each usually supports the other's decision. By the way, I would call Brian a baseball guy. Don't know that he played at a high level (probably Division 3 college), but he came up as a scout. I'm not sure many here realize that. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1997&page=1#14903#ixzz2emch1ib1 |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 13, 2013 9:37:13 GMT -5
One thing to remember too is that more than five pitchers often get a chance to start in the season. Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that Chad Gaudin and Yusmeiro Petit would be in the rotation now?
The Giants have used at least nine different starters this season.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 11:31:24 GMT -5
Rog -- Why not? We micro-manage Giants managers here all the time!
Realistically though, I believe it is the job of the general manager to acquire the players and the field manager to utilize them as he sees fit. In reality, Bruce and Brian work closely together, so those lines overlap.
While there no doubt is disagreement as will always be the case in business and sports, I suspect each usually supports the other's decision.
By the way, I would call Brian a baseball guy. Don't know that he played at a high level (probably Division 3 college), but he came up as a scout. I'm not sure many here realize that.
--boly says---
totally agree, Brian's a baseball guy.
But that's not quite what I meant.
the GM or owner should not, EVER, dictate who plays, and how often.
When I say "baseball guy," I'm referring to the on the field people, not the people upstairs.
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 13, 2013 15:18:00 GMT -5
I don't know think Sabean dictates. However, he will trade or release players that he feels have been played too frequently. In my opinion, Sabean has done this numerous times. Molina in 2010 being the most obvious of examples.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 13, 2013 16:57:04 GMT -5
Posey was ready and Mol;ina would have just been in the way. He did Molina a favor by moving him. Sabean gets dictated to as much as dictating. he didn't want to do the Zito deal, but was overruled.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 14, 2013 13:38:09 GMT -5
Allen's point is accurate here. Sabean may not tell Bochy to play this guy and sit that guy, but this does indirectly get dictated to Bochy by Sabean's personnel moves. Obviously Sabean thought that Bengie was still getting too many starts at Buster's expense, and he had to do something about it without calling Bochy into the office and demanding that Posey play. Wouldn't surprise me if Jeff Francoeur was dumped as well because Bochy was using him too much when Sabean wanted to see the Fresno kids. Ironically, the return of Pagan has forced the Fresno kids to the bench anyway, because the vet loving Bochy would rather play Blanco. He really needs to evaluate him?
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 14, 2013 15:24:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me if Jeff Francoeur was dumped as well because Bochy was using him too much when Sabean wanted to see the Fresno kids. Ironically, the return of Pagan has forced the Fresno kids to the bench anyway, because the vet loving Bochy would rather play Blanco. He really needs to evaluate him?
---boly says---
I'm hoping... HOPING... that Bochy continued to play Blanco et. al because we were playing teams in contention; LA, Arizona.
Vin Scully applauded the Giants last night for CONTINUING to play hard; playing as if THEY were fighting for a playoff spot.
'And that is as it should be.'
Vin's words.
However, WHEN we finish this LA series, I do not want to see ANYMORE of Blanco, excpet to give Pagan a rest.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 17:17:40 GMT -5
Boagie -- I don't know think Sabean dictates. However, he will trade or release players that he feels have been played too frequently. In my opinion, Sabean has done this numerous times. Molina in 2010 being the most obvious of examples. Rog -- You don't think that move had full concurrence from both Bochy and Sabean? It was the right move to make, wasn't it? If Brian hadn't wanted Bengie to play, all he had to do was not re-sign him. Instead, he signed Bengie to buy more time for Buster to develop. I don't see Brian's doing any dictating here. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1997&page=1#14923#ixzz2f0CiQqrU |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 17:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 17:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 17:21:38 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 17:23:52 GMT -5
Mark -- Ironically, the return of Pagan has forced the Fresno kids to the bench anyway, because the vet loving Bochy would rather play Blanco. He really needs to evaluate him? Rog -- It is unlikely that any of the young outfielders the Giants have called up are good enough to supplant Gregor as the 4th outfielder for next season. Those guys aren't very good. You know it. I know it. The Giants know it. We all wish we didn't. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1997&page=1#ixzz2f0EMc4yK |
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 18, 2013 15:02:01 GMT -5
I'm not talking in circles, Rog. Bochy is married to his veterans and he's famous for playing them long past their expiration dates. You're not familiar with the Vinny Castilla incident in San Diego? The same thing was happening here. As long as Bengie was here, Bochy would keep sending him out there and Posey would either play first or sit. Sabean solved the problem. As for Francoeur, "not signing him" has nothing to do with it. Of course Sabean wanted him, but I'm sure Sabean realized pretty quickly that Jeff was not a good signing and cut him loose. If he had kept him, you don't think Bochy would still be at least starting him against lefties? And finally, we agree that the Fresno outfielders can't cut it in the major leagues as regulars. However we'll never know if they could be useful bench players because Bochy won't play them. What was the point of bringing them up? Pinch runners?
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 19, 2013 0:22:55 GMT -5
Mark -- I'm not talking in circles, Rog. Bochy is married to his veterans and he's famous for playing them long past their expiration dates. Rog -- I don't disagree, Mark. It's just that the Giants have very little in the way of young major league-ready position talent right now. With the disappointing seasons by Gary Brown and Joe Panik, I'm starting to -- well, not Panik, but feel a little Brown and out. The minor league strength though is their pitching, which could enable them to trade for position players or position prospects. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1997&page=1#15075#ixzz2fJT9D3Xp |
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