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Post by rxmeister on Aug 29, 2013 10:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by dk on Aug 29, 2013 11:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by allenreed on Aug 29, 2013 13:15:27 GMT -5
Rumor has it that they're interested in Masahiro Tanaka and Jose Dariel Abreu. I've heard Abreu's name, but I can't say I'm familiar with either player. Tanaka is a 24 year old pitcher who (get this) has gone 18-0, 1.15 for a team called Rakuten in Japan this year.
Tanaka has pitched for Rakuten since he was 18. His career record is 93-35, 2.32. He's 6'2", 205. Seems worth a look.
Abreu is a power hitting first baseman who recently defected from Cuba. He's 26. 6'2", 258. As near as I can tell, he was the first baseman on the Cuban national team, hits alot of homers yet doesn't strike out alot. Baseball reference doesn't really have anything on him.
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 29, 2013 14:35:46 GMT -5
I would love to see the Giants get more active with these international signings, but I'll believe the Giants posting bids in excess of 50 million dollars when I see it.
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Post by allenreed on Aug 29, 2013 14:57:26 GMT -5
Me too Mark. It doesn't sound like the Giants. Are they done with the debt on the stadium yet?
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 29, 2013 15:04:59 GMT -5
As the saying goes, money talks and BS walks. I will continue to doubt how serious the Giants are about landing any of these big international fish until they actually land one. I heard Bobby Evans talk about this last week and he seemed to indicate that the Giants HAVE been active on the international scene already. But results are what count, Bobby. If you're not getting any of these players then you need to beef up the plan because what you're doing isnt getting it done.
~Dood
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 29, 2013 15:55:44 GMT -5
The thing with these players mentioned is that they're major league ready. In the past they've signed the raw 16 year olds and it hasn't worked out. It's alot more money, but a lot less risky.
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Post by allenreed on Aug 29, 2013 19:58:37 GMT -5
Was the Japanese guy this year an international signing? Shinjo was lousy, but they got him from the Mets. Who else, Osvaldo Fernandez, remember him?
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 0:51:18 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 1:00:20 GMT -5
Randy -- As the saying goes, money talks and BS walks. I will continue to doubt how serious the Giants are about landing any of these big international fish until they actually land one. Rog -- As Don pointed out, the Giants signed two big international fish in Angel Villalona and Rafael Rodriguez. Those guys didn't require signing postings though. On the other hand, why is it we don't believe the Giants when they say something? The Giants weren't as good as their result in either 2010 or 2012, but the fact IS that they have won two of the past three World Series. The Giants are in or close to the top quartile in spending, and overall the moves they have made have been pretty good. I think it is good that the Giants say they are going to be more aggressive in the international market. But then again, no one seemed to pay much attention when it was mentioned here that although the Dodgers spent a ton of money "catching up," their tack going forward was to emphasize signing and development, especially on the international front. So who are two of their top players? Yasiel Puig and Hyun-Jin Ryu, two international players the Dodgers have signed recently. I guess we didn't pay much attention to the Dodgers on the international front, and we certainly should have. Why do we not take pleasure in the Giants' saying they are going to become more active? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1986&page=1#ixzz2dttIkAgg |
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 4, 2013 19:56:38 GMT -5
Rog -- As Don pointed out, the Giants signed two big international fish in Angel Villalona and Rafael Rodriguez. Those guys didn't require signing postings though.
Dood - If THOSE two are the "big international fish," you have nothing to brag about. They arent even close to being big league contributors and it's doubtful if they ever will be.
On the other hand, why is it we don't believe the Giants when they say something?
Dood - because they lie, spin and deceive, like every other team. It's part of the porofession.
The Giants weren't as good as their result in either 2010 or 2012, but the fact IS that they have won two of the past three World Series.
Dood - oh yeah...you told us, it was all luck. Why they even gave them rings and a trophy is beyond me because c;learly they weren't good enough to deserve those thing.
The Giants are in or close to the top quartile in spending, and overall the moves they have made have been pretty good.
Dood - not part of the subject.
I think it is good that the Giants say they are going to be more aggressive in the international market.
Dood - it's only good when it's more than just talk. We'll see how serious we should take them now. Talk is cheap. Actions are what I'm interested in.
But then again, no one seemed to pay much attention when it was mentioned here that although the Dodgers spent a ton of money "catching up," their tack going forward was to emphasize signing and development, especially on the international front.
Dood - the Dodgers have spent big money before only to come up short. They still haven't won anything.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 22:52:49 GMT -5
Rog -- As Don pointed out, the Giants signed two big international fish in Angel Villalona and Rafael Rodriguez. Those guys didn't require signing postings though. Dood - If THOSE two are the "big international fish," you have nothing to brag about. They arent even close to being big league contributors and it's doubtful if they ever will be. Rog -- You are certainly good in your evaluation of Villalona and particularly Rodriguez, but what does how they have performed have to do with your comment that you'll believe it when you see it? The two guys haven't worked out and probably won't, but the point is that at the time the Giants DID make a significant effort to acquire what were at that time two highly priced international players. You say the Giants lie, but when on considers that they aren't able to tip their hand in certain situations, what are the lies they have told? In the spring, Bobby Evans said the primary roster battles were between Chad Gaudin and Scott Proctor for the final relief spot; Tony Abreu and Kensuke Tanaka, one other guy I can't remember and possibly Nick Noonan for the final infield slot; and Cole Gillespie and Francisco Peguero for the final outfield spot. Was any of that a lie? A month or more prior to the trade deadline Larry Baer and perhaps others said that the Giants's stance with regard to the trade deadline was "fluid." Was that a lie? Why is it that we want to be so critical of various baseball participants when we truly have little insight into their situations? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1986&page=1#14665#ixzz2dzEH4ls0 |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 22:53:46 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 22:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 22:56:23 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 23:01:03 GMT -5
Rog -- The Giants are in or close to the top quartile in spending, and overall the moves they have made have been pretty good. Dood - not part of the subject. Rog -- Actually, it is, Randy -- although perhaps indirectly. You have indicated you doubt that the Giants are being truthful when they say they are going to become more active internationally. That they have spent an above-average amount of money on players indicates they could have the resources to do so. That they have made some good decisions, indicates that if they feel the international market provides other good decisions, they might well act on them. Be honest now. When it comes to whether the Giants will or won't follow up their stated intentions to become more active internationally, you don't have a clue. You're simply being sarcastic and guessing. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1986&page=1#ixzz2dzGykLJa |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 23:04:43 GMT -5
Rog -- I think it is good that the Giants say they are going to be more aggressive in the international market. Dood - it's only good when it's more than just talk. Rog -- Let's use a common-sense approach here to decide if it is likely that the Giants will become more active internationally (or at least try to do so). If they weren't going to do so, why bring the subject up at all? Why put themselves in a position when if they do sign an international player, they're merely doing what they told us they would do, whereas if they don't, they disappoint us? Let's suppose you tell us you're going to go to the Giants game tomorrow. Why would you even bring it up if you weren't planning to do so? Common sense says the Giants probably wouldn't even have mentioned this if they weren't planning to follow through. What would have been their advantage in doing so? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1986&page=1#ixzz2dzI69va6 |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 4, 2013 23:06:20 GMT -5
But then again, no one seemed to pay much attention when it was mentioned here that although the Dodgers spent a ton of money "catching up," their tack going forward was to emphasize signing and development, especially on the international front. Dood - the Dodgers have spent big money before only to come up short. They still haven't won anything. Rog -- But almost everyone thinks they're the best team in baseball. I heard something about their having the winningest 65-game streak in history. No one has yet answered how they did so despite all the supposed chemistry problems they had. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1986&page=1#ixzz2dzIueUgG |
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 5, 2013 11:07:42 GMT -5
Rog -- Let's use a common-sense approach here to decide if it is likely that the Giants will become more active internationally (or at least try to do so).
If they weren't going to do so, why bring the subject up at all? Why put themselves in a position when if they do sign an international player, they're merely doing what they told us they would do, whereas if they don't, they disappoint us?
Boagie- Sabean has said many things he doesn't stick to. They say things like this to get the fan base excited for the future. The Giants are in a tough spot right now. Their Bay Area rivals are playing well, and their NL West long time rivals are having a very good year. Cespedes and Puig are big reasons those two teams are playing well. It makes sense for them to say this in a business standpoint. It doesn't really matter if they say they intend to or not, because it could turn out that financially it doesn't make sense at the time. I would assume they know that and are willing to be wrong later.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 6, 2013 9:55:19 GMT -5
Boagie- Sabean has said many things he doesn't stick to. They say things like this to get the fan base excited for the future. The Giants are in a tough spot right now. Their Bay Area rivals are playing well, and their NL West long time rivals are having a very good year. Cespedes and Puig are big reasons those two teams are playing well. It makes sense for them to say this in a business standpoint. Rog -- Why? Do you think fans will come to AT&T because the Giants announced they were going to scout internationally? Boagie -- It doesn't really matter if they say they intend to or not, because it could turn out that financially it doesn't make sense at the time. I would assume they know that and are willing to be wrong later. Rog -- Why would anyone intentionally set himself up to be wrong later in order to make a point that doesn't matter if it isn't followed through on. What are these things the Giants have told us they were going to do but didn't? I remember when Bill Newcomb entered the picture and said the Giants would develop a 50-page organization manual so that the players would be on the same page. I'll admit I didn't really hear much about it after that, but suddenly the Giants became more successful. Might have been a coincidence. If the Giants are to get attendance benefits from signing international players, I suspect they will not only need to follow through, but to have one or more of their signings turn into an important major league player. When we spoke a year or so ago about the Dodgers' intent to explore the international market, no one said that the Giants should also jump into that market. Now it appears they realize they should indeed do so -- and are announcing their intention to do so. If they don't follow through, what could be the benefits of announcing they are going to do so and then not following through? Philosophically this also seems to mean that they are focusing beyond their immediate window of opportunity and/or are hoping to sign a player/players far enough along to help enhance and extend that window. With the attitude we're taking here, the Giants can't really be right, can they? If they DON'T go into the international market, they're guilty of ignoring an opportunity, and now that they do, we say we'll believe it when we see it. What does it take to make some of our fans happy? The answer, of course, is another World Championship, but unfortunately that just doesn't happen every year. We should recognize that while the window of opportunity is still open, there is no way of knowing if the Giants can leap through it. They can continue to develop a strong team, but only one of half a dozen or so strong teams becomes the World Champion in a given year. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1986&page=1#14698#ixzz2e7kRCEHy |
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