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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 24, 2013 10:22:15 GMT -5
I've seen the large majority of Rogers 68 plate appearances, and I have to say, regretably, that I've seen enough.
#1- He's driven one (1) ball. Most of his hits are weak line drives
#2-I pointed out early on that he generates "0" bat speed. An exaggeration of course, but my point is still the same. A severe lack of bat speed
#3-He gets jammed by RHP more than any LHB I've seen in a Giant uniform in a long time.
Experiment over for me.
At this point, I want to give other kids a try, starting with Peguero.
Won't happen, though.
Once again, Bochy will exhasperate me and others and keep running him out there.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 24, 2013 14:08:06 GMT -5
I don't think he's been that bad, I just don't think he's a major league starting corner outfielder. Pill got the last start in LF against a righty, so I think we'll see a platoon there. I would keep sending him out there to see if he can be a useful player off the bench next year. I think the jury's still out on that. I have more of a problem with him continuing to send Gregor Blanco out there. The guy hasn't hit in months. With Pagan coming back I'm sure Blanco will finally sit, but they missed an opportunity here to look at Peguero or Juan Perez.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 24, 2013 16:45:42 GMT -5
I don't think he's been that bad, I just don't think he's a major league starting corner outfielder. Pill got the last start in LF against a righty, so I think we'll see a platoon there. I would keep sending him out there to see if he can be a useful player off the bench next year. I think the jury's still out on that. I have more of a problem with him continuing to send Gregor Blanco out there. The guy hasn't hit in months. With Pagan coming back I'm sure Blanco will finally sit, but they missed an opportunity here to look at Peguero or Juan Perez.
---boly says---
It's not that I disagree with your assessment of Kieschnick, Mark, it's just that he really hasn't shown any ability what-so-ever to drive the ball.
But I'm with you on Blanco. He's bee AWFUL for a long, long time.
Like I said, I'd rather give Peguero and Perez more opportunities at this point because NEITHER was give enough consistant ab's to see what they could do.
boly
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Post by dk on Aug 24, 2013 17:47:15 GMT -5
I don't think he's been that bad, I just don't think he's a major league starting corner outfielder. Pill got the last start in LF against a righty, so I think we'll see a platoon there. I would keep sending him out there to see if he can be a useful player off the bench next year. I think the jury's still out on that. I have more of a problem with him continuing to send Gregor Blanco out there. The guy hasn't hit in months. With Pagan coming back I'm sure Blanco will finally sit, but they missed an opportunity here to look at Peguero or Juan Perez. ---boly says--- It's not that I disagree with your assessment of Kieschnick, Mark, it's just that he really hasn't shown any ability what-so-ever to drive the ball. But I'm with you on Blanco. He's bee AWFUL for a long, long time. Like I said, I'd rather give Peguero and Perez more opportunities at this point because NEITHER was give enough consistant ab's to see what they could do. boly[/ dk..the problem is that the Giants have no one but Blanco that can cover CF..Torres is done and Perez is gone....haven't heard any comments from our very own stats nerd who always says that if you produce you play...Pill got 3 hits and then sat....did Bochy blame him for all those drives to left center that no one could have caught? I still think Belt should go to the outfield...especially now that his defects in the field keep showing up....rare dropped throws I can overlook, but he continues to go too far to his right that a second baseman can field..and he botched the run down play when he ran the runner towards second so far that he couldn't get the return throw...MadBum covered and they got the out, but usually you want to keep the pitcher out of it unless you have Jackie Robinson in the "pickle"...he did make a good play on the foul that "fouled" up Posey.... |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 25, 2013 9:36:29 GMT -5
I still think Belt should go to the outfield
---boly says---
Don, I've been agreeing with you for a long time on this one.
With Posey's bat, we'd be better served with him at 1B(as you've been saying), or even at 3B.
Until recently I've been very unhappy with Buster's lack of blocking skills behind the plate. Very concerned
It's not like the guy is Johnny Bench, who "played" 3B, but not very well.
Buster is a much better athlete, and I suspect it would be easier to find a power hitting 1Bman, than the same in LF who could ALSO cover all that ground.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 25, 2013 11:49:46 GMT -5
Wow, you guys must care nothing about the importance of good defense if you're moving Posey to first or third and Belt to the outfield. Despite what you two are saying, Posey is one of the best catchers in the game and Belt one of the best first baseman. By all means let's move them to unfamiliar positions and put players you can't even name at catcher and first base. I have a lot of respect for both of you, but the losing has obviously gotten to you!
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Post by dk on Aug 25, 2013 12:36:35 GMT -5
Wow, you guys must care nothing about the importance of good defense if you're moving Posey to first or third and Belt to the outfield. Despite what you two are saying, Posey is one of the best catchers in the game and Belt one of the best first baseman. By all means let's move them to unfamiliar positions and put players you can't even name at catcher and first base. I have a lot of respect for both of you, but the losing has obviously gotten to you! dk..I said the same thing when the team was winning...Posey is very much over rated as a catcher and Belt as a first baseman....I think Belt can play LF and Posey 1B...and Sanchez catch.I think there was another reason that Posey only caught 3 of the Giants starters..I don't think the Giants have good defense... Torres and Pagan are not good CF'ers...Blanco is probably their best in CF, but hitting is a problem...Scutaro is near the end of the trail. They lack power and Bochy doesn't seem to want to play the speed game....love the hustle of Pence, but it looks as if his arm is very inconsistent as his unorthodox mechanics seem to have caught up with his throwing... |
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 25, 2013 13:22:54 GMT -5
How are they overrated? By what criteria? And even if you were correct, how would moving them to unfamiliar positions help them and the team?
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Post by allenreed on Aug 25, 2013 23:19:39 GMT -5
Don, are you Hector's uncle, or did you find out he voted for Obama? The guy's a backup catcher. Until he gets some experience, (and learns to look at the pitch when it's being thrown) that's all he's going to be. The only way he's ever going to beat out Posey is if they decide to move Buster so Lincecum doesn't beat him up.
I thought Posey looked pretty good today throwing out a runner and starting a double play on a bunt. He's one of the top catchers in the game, both offensively and defensively. Belt's easily the best we've seen at first since JT. He's still got some learning to do (he got a late start on the game, no?) and like alot of guys on this team, needs to learn to focus more consistently.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 27, 2013 12:46:09 GMT -5
dk..the problem is that the Giants have no one but Blanco that can cover CF..Torres is done and Perez is gone....haven't heard any comments from our very own stats nerd who always says that if you produce you play...Pill got 3 hits and then sat Rog -- You make a good point about Brett. But there ARE a few points you fail to mention: . Brett sat because Brandon Belt got a start against a righty and become EXTREMELY hot. . Brett's two excellent games STILL didn't have him up to good numbers on the season. . It WAS just two games. Belt's getting hot was bad luck for Pill, but, really, would you play a hot Brett Pill or a hot Brandon Belt? Yes, Brandon can play left field. But you're then taking a top fielder at his natural position and making him an average fielder at another spot. And you do this so you can hurt TWO defensive positions for a guy who has an OPS below .700 on the season? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1979#ixzz2dBzgMki9 |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 27, 2013 12:59:53 GMT -5
Don -- still think Belt should go to the outfield ---boly says--- Don, I've been agreeing with you for a long time on this one. With Posey's bat, we'd be better served with him at 1B(as you've been saying), or even at 3B. Until recently I've been very unhappy with Buster's lack of blocking skills behind the plate. Very concerned It's not like the guy is Johnny Bench, who "played" 3B, but not very well. Buster is a much better athlete, and I suspect it would be easier to find a power hitting 1Bman, than the same in LF who could ALSO cover all that ground. Rog -- There is sense in what you guys say here -- but also a lot of question marks: . Who catches if Buster plays first base? . Why would we hurt the defense at catcher, first base and left field? . Why would we move the Giants' best player from the position he wants to play, is considered the best in the majors at, and plays in part because the Giants think that is the best place for them to utiliize his leadership? I myself would move Buster to get him away from the high injury risk. A concussion could potentially end his career. On the other hand, guys who have had their careers ended by concussions have almost always suffered multiple ones. I'm sure the Giants are monitoring the situation. So I'm probably overreacting. In the future, the Giants might have a nice catching tandem in Hector Sanchez and Andrew Susac. That could actually be a reality in a couple of years or so. They might choose to trade Brandon Belt, whose trade value would seem to be high (as in enough to acquire a very good outfielder). They may choose not to re-sign Pablo Sandoval for what Pablo can command in free agency. That confluence of events might cause the Giants to give significant consideration to moving Buster from behind the plate -- especially if he has received one or more concussions between now and then. For now though, I can understand why the Giants would want to leave Buster behind the plate. Think if they can acquire a good left fielder, and Scutaro and Crawford can duplicate their seasons this year. The Giants could have a nice middle of the order, and an entire lineup full of decent hitters. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1979&page=1#ixzz2dC18eXey |
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