sfgdood
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stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
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Post by sfgdood on Apr 6, 2012 11:18:04 GMT -5
Proving once again why it is ridiculous and wrong to panic over poor spring training numbers...Roy Halladay, who got hit around in the Grapefruit League to the tune of a 5+ ERA, went 8 scoreless innings yesterday, giving up just 2 hits and walking none.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 6, 2012 13:13:59 GMT -5
Another good point, Randy. The Giants had a GREAT spring in 2011. One would have thought they would have easily rolled into the playoffs. You're on a roll going into this season, Randy.  |
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 6, 2012 14:02:57 GMT -5
Proving once again why it is ridiculous and wrong to panic over poor spring training numbers...Roy Halladay, who got hit around in the Grapefruit League to the tune of a 5+ ERA, went 8 scoreless innings yesterday, giving up just 2 hits and walking none. ~Dood Roy Halladay is a proven CY Young pitcher, I wouldn't worry about him or Timmy...I wouldn't worry about Pablo (other than his weight), or Albert Pujols, or Ryan Braun. Who I do watch in spring are players like Zito who was coming off an injury and supposedly worked on his motion during the offseason. I worry about Pagan's sub .200 average and the fact that he seems like he's getting bad jumps on balls, because..well, he's not Albert Pujols. He's a guy who had a poor season last year and needs to bounce back for the Giants to have a lineup that scores runs. I put some importance into Belt and Pill's spring, to see what their approach at the plate is. Don't you think we'd feel a little more comfortable if Zito had a decent spring? |
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sfgdood
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stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
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Post by sfgdood on Apr 6, 2012 14:28:31 GMT -5
Pagan may not be a proven stud but he's a proven .279 hitter who has stolen 69 bags in the past two seasons. He may get bad jumps but his blazing speed more than makes up for that, and his throw to home plate Monday night to nail Cespedes (or as I call him, Pedro Cerrano Jr) showed he has a rocket arm.
As for Zito...even if you only count his Giants years, his track record has mostly been adequate for a 5th starter, which is his role now.
No need to panic
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 6, 2012 18:16:25 GMT -5
I am getting the feeling that Angel won't be as good defensively as Andres Torres -- but will still be average for a center fielder. The best center fielders are not only fast, they usually take good routes.
As for Zito, you are are correct that he has pitched anywhere from acceptably to very good for a fifth stater -- each season except last year.
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Post by allenreed on Apr 7, 2012 10:06:25 GMT -5
I am getting the feeling that Angel won't be as good defensively as Andres Torres
Allen-Didn't we already know that? Few centerfielders in baseball are as good as Andres. Unfortunately, few hit as badly as he does.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 7, 2012 21:22:31 GMT -5
There are actually quite a few center fielders who don't hit better than Andres Torres. We tend to be "what have you done for me lately?" fans, but despite his tough season in 2011, Andres had a .768 OPS as a Giant. The average OPS for center fielders last season was .716.
In part because of his fine glove, Andres was rated at 7.7 Wins Above Replacement as a Giant. For a guy who started only 311 games over those three seasons, that's pretty good.
By comparison, during those three seasons Nate Schierholtz started 179 games and had a WAR of 2.7 wins.
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Post by allenreed on Apr 8, 2012 10:10:26 GMT -5
There are actually quite a few center fielders who don't hit better than Andres Torres. We tend to be "what have you done for me lately?" fans, but despite his tough season in 2011, Andres had a .768 OPS as a Giant. The average OPS for center fielders last season was .716.
In part because of his fine glove, Andres was rated at 7.7 Wins Above Replacement as a Giant. For a guy who started only 311 games over those three seasons, that's pretty good.
By comparison, during those three seasons Nate Schierholtz started 179 games and had a WAR of 2.7 wins
Allen- Let's be honest here. Andres did indeed have a very good 2010. Towards the end of last year though, he was having trouble even making contact. I really liked Andres, and wish nothing but the best for him in NY, but there's a reason he didn't make the majors full time until he was 31.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 8, 2012 12:53:06 GMT -5
Allen- Let's be honest here. Andres did indeed have a very good 2010. Towards the end of last year though, he was having trouble even making contact. I really liked Andres, and wish nothing but the best for him in NY, but there's a reason he didn't make the majors full time until he was 31. Rog -- The reason he didn't make it until he was 31 is that he wasn't very good until 2007 and didn't really get a shot until 2009. I like his chances for a bounce back this season, but his early injury is disconcerting. Andres did really struggle late last season, but he managed five hits in his last 16 at bats, including a double, a homer, three walks and five strikeouts. Overall though his second half was quite grim. But he could field, he could run, and he knew how to take a walk. Nice power for a center fielder too. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=23&page=1#289#ixzz1rTKKahg4 |
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