The Golden Fedora

[klaiggeb]

Striking out three times in a game gets you a Silver Sombrero

Striking out four times earns you a Golden Sombrero.

So with that in mind, what do you get when you (one player) commits four screw ups in a single game?

If they gave such awards, the first winner I could think of would win a Silver Fedora; 3 screw ups in a game. That award would go to...

Willie Davis, for his 3 errors in one inning vs Baltimore in the 1966 World Series.

The second Silver Fedora would go to Bob Brenly for his 3 errors at 3B in the 1980's. (Can't remember the year)

But the Golden Fedora...The Golden Fedora... now that is something else! To win one of these suckers, you have to do something special!


And since I created it, (made it up), I get to select the first recipient!

And the winner is...

Kensuke Tanaka!

Way to go, Kensuke!

You played an above average flyball in the LCF gap into a triple...

And then played an above average line drive into a double!

Wow! Now that's special!

But to be fair, you really are a secondbaseman playing in the outfield....

Um... no. Catching THAT flyball should have been no different, even easier than racing behind first base towards the wall, and grabing a foul ball.

And if that wasn't enough, # 3, he couldn't even deliver a flyball to the outfield, but instead, hit a groundball to SS...

and then, when the secondbasemen threw it away, he confounded the already-in-his-pocket Silver Fedora with the move that earned him the Golden Fedora;

#4 down by 3 runs, he foolishly tried to take 2B after the over throw, only to be cut down by 6 feet.

Yes!

Way to go, Kensuke!

For a veteran player with your years as a professional, that's quite a feat.

Can't you smell my sarcasm?

I admit, I was a hard coach to play for.

If I was a pro coach, I would be even harder.

You are supposed to be a professional, and as such, there are certain expectations I have of you.

You're going to make mistakes. I get that, and I can live with that.

One a game... maybe two... once in a while.

But they had better not happen 3... 4 times in a game.

I expect smarter play than that.

That's the kind of stuff I expect from someone like Brandon Belt, whom I love, but don't think he's the quickest cow on the dairy farm.

The Golden Fedora...

Swell.

And here I didn't think it could get worse than Andres Torres multiple miscues in one game.

Way to go, boly!

boly

[sfgdood]

At least Brenly redeemed himself by hitting the game-winning HR in his "three boner" game. And he was a catcher playing 3rd base. Roger Craig called it the greatest Humm Baby performance he'd ever seen. I may be wrong but I think it was late September '86

~Dood

[sfgdood]

Btw...Rog still thinks our outfield platoon is "satisfactory"...I beg to differ. I bring up Gary Brown in time for today's game behind this debacle and I send Tanaka back to Tokyo.

~Dood

[allenreed]

Or at least back to second base. Interesting that you excuse Brenly's miscues because he was playing out of position, yet won't do the same for Tananka.

[sfgdood]

You misunderstand me Allen...I'm not knocking Tanaka for making his miscues out of position...I'm knocking the Giants for putting him out there instead of playing someone who has excelled at that position...like Gary Brown.

~Dood

[allenreed]

Or Gregor Blanco. I'm not seeing Tanaka yet. I was willing to give him a try. but he hasn't shown me much.

[sharksrog]

Boly -- So with that in mind, what do you get when you (one player) commits four screw ups in a single game?

Rog -- More often than not, a loss.


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[sharksrog]

Randy -- At least Brenly redeemed himself by hitting the game-winning HR in his "three boner" game. And he was a catcher playing 3rd base. Roger Craig called it the greatest Humm Baby performance he'd ever seen. I may be wrong but I think it was late September '86

Rog -- Actually, it was FOUR errors in the same inning -- two of them on the same play. The game was played on September 14, 1986 (as Randy said), and Brenly bounced back with TWO homers (including the walkoff) and an RBI single. Brenly and the guy he moved to third base for hit back-to-back home runs. That was catcher Bob Melvin, now the manager of the A's and a two-time Manager of the Year.

Some said Bob should be the Comeback Player of the Year just for that one game!

Anyone else who was there that day?


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[sharksrog]

Btw...Rog still thinks our outfield platoon is "satisfactory"...I beg to differ. I bring up Gary Brown in time for today's game behind this debacle and I send Tanaka back to Tokyo.

Rog -- I'm not satisfied with the platoon either, but I don't think Brown is the solution. As I have stated, I'm hoping the Giants can pick up an outfielder at the trade deadline. I consider it easily their greatest need.


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[sharksrog]

Randy -- You misunderstand me Allen...I'm not knocking Tanaka for making his miscues out of position...I'm knocking the Giants for putting him out there instead of playing someone who has excelled at that position...like Gary Brown.

Rog -- Gotta agree with Randy here, Allen. You did misunderstand him IMO -- and he has confirmed it.


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[donk]

Jul 22, 2013 12:15:40 GMT -5 sfgdood said:

At least Brenly redeemed himself by hitting the game-winning HR in his "three boner" game. And he was a catcher playing 3rd base. Roger Craig called it the greatest Humm Baby performance he'd ever seen. I may be wrong but I think it was late September '86

~ dk..Brenly was actually a third baseman who was switched to catcher....Bob played all over the field in the minors but mostly as a third baseman....

[allenreed]

Jul 22, 2013 17:42:52 GMT -5 sharksrog said:

Randy -- You misunderstand me Allen...I'm not knocking Tanaka for making his miscues out of position...I'm knocking the Giants for putting him out there instead of playing someone who has excelled at that position...like Gary Brown.

Rog -- Gotta agree with Randy here, Allen. You did misunderstand him IMO -- and he has confirmed it.


Allen- I guess the "send him back to Tokyo" remark threw me. It seemed to me that he was blaming Tanaka. I didn't hear him say send Bochy back to SD, for playing him out of position.

[sharksrog]

Rog -- Gotta agree with Randy here, Allen. You did misunderstand him IMO -- and he has confirmed it.


Allen- I guess the "send him back to Tokyo" remark threw me. It seemed to me that he was blaming Tanaka. I didn't hear him say send Bochy back to SD, for playing him out of position.

Rog -- I see your point. Even as he was hitting well early on, I was concerned that if Kensuke didn't hit the ball far enough to command respect, the outfielders would pinch him off. But he is a good contract hitter who also can draw a walk.

He's playing against right-handers. His average at Fresno was 98 points higher than Gary Brown's.

Randy is going off the talent he saw in Brown in 2011. I understand that, especially when on plays as well as Brown did in 2011. But while this is an isolated example, do you think the Giants should have continued to go off the 1.120 OPS Todd Linden hit in AAA in 2005?

By the way, Todd never put up good numbers in class, since he started his minor league career in AA. But he was a guy who simply never developed. So far, neither has Brown.

The rating of prospects is constantly changing. Mike Piazza went from being drafted in the 62nd round in 1988 to becoming Baseball America's #38 prospect four years later, to hitting for a .900+ OPS as Rookie of the Year in 1993 to becoming the best hitting catcher in major league history.

If anything, Piazza's prospect rating wasn't changed quickly ENOUGH.

Again, just an isolated example. But this idea a prospect's rating shouldn't change fairly quickly just doesn't make sense as an absolute rule. A prospect rating is a rating of the chances and degree of success by a player. Those chances change over time -- and sometimes fairly quickly.


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