donk
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Post by donk on Jun 8, 2013 13:48:05 GMT -5
A new draft and the internet is full of comments questioning the Giants high draft picks....the #1 guy, 25th overall was rated about 100 on the best prospects in two rating systems....a SS who is thought to be better suited to be a catcher...a third baseman with bad swing...a pitcher who hardly pitched after being replaced as a closer...a pitcher with a girth closing in on Pablo... No comments on Bochy saving Romo for the prom and letting Affeldt pitch to the second hottest hitter in the game.... Any one else hear Brenly rip Posey's mechanics as he jumped up away from a ball in the dirt, turned his head away and put his glove down to flag it? Any comments on Posey being moved to 3rd in the order? I don't understand moving him up when he is in another power swoon and moving Pablo all the way to 5th..... Crawford looks as if he has hit the wall abd is tired...Arias looked good in replacing him...I think Crawford needs the Posey treatment of some days off, especially against tough lefties.... Anyone else think that Blanco should replace Pagan in CF?? Play Pagan in LF.... Scutaro continues to hit, but I see signs that his legs are going....takes a long time to recover from a tough run.... Now they have have Posey giving multiple signs even with no runners on base....If they have to do it at home, they should ask the TV guys not to show the signs being given...and Posey should make sure his mitt is below the knees and blocking the 3rd base coach from seeing his signs... Posey still sets up too quickly before the pitch...
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 8, 2013 15:49:28 GMT -5
Anyone else think that Blanco should replace Pagan in CF?? Play Pagan in LF....
--boly says---
Don, I couldn't agree more.
Many of us have been saying this same thing for a while now.
For me, to my eyes, their defense isn't even close.
Blanco is THAT much better.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 9, 2013 11:41:34 GMT -5
As you say, Boly, this has been brought up here for a long time. It's a no-brainer.
We kind of figured the problem would solve itself when the ultra-speedy Gary Brown took over in center. But Brown is mired in Mario Mendoza mileage at just .203 in Fresno, striking out just over once every four at bats.
By the way, Blanco's arm is better than I thought. It is probably better than Pagan's. The Giants' outfield arms would appear to be ranked Pence, Blanco, Pagan and Torres.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 9, 2013 12:08:00 GMT -5
By the way, Blanco's arm is better than I thought. It is probably better than Pagan's. The Giants' outfield arms would appear to be ranked Pence, Blanco, Pagan and Torres.
---boly says---
I knew it was above average, but these last two games he's really shown it's better than that.
How much better than Pagan's?
Not sure if it's better, but more accurate, that's for sure!
Thing is, I think Pagan would pout, or at least make a fuss behind the scenes if he didn't play CF.
But the whole team has to see how much better Blanco is out there.
At the plate... I STILL don't like the loop in Blanco's start up.
Because of that, I don't see him ever hitting better than .260ish.
Unless he does like Wills; start bunting a LOT more for hits.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Jun 9, 2013 12:13:34 GMT -5
[ No comments on Bochy saving Romo for the prom and letting Affeldt pitch to the second hottest hitter in the game.... Allen- The smart move would have been to walk (or at least pitch around) Goldschmidt and then go after Montero. Any one else hear Brenly rip Posey's mechanics as he jumped up away from a ball in the dirt, turned his head away and put his glove down to flag it? Allen- Anyone else notice that Posey makes about a kabillion great blocks on pitches from a staff that throws more balls in the dirt than any I've ever seen? Any comments on Posey being moved to 3rd in the order? I don't understand moving him up when he is in another power swoon and moving Pablo all the way to 5th..... Allen- Pablo isn't even playing. He's hurt again. Crawford looks as if he has hit the wall abd is tired...Arias looked good in replacing him...I think Crawford needs the Posey treatment of some days off, especially against tough lefties.... Allen- Didn't Brandon have four hits last night? Anyone else think that Blanco should replace Pagan in CF?? Play Pagan in LF.... Allen- Pagan isn't playing either, but if he were, I could see such a move. Scutaro continues to hit, but I see signs that his legs are going....takes a long time to recover from a tough run.... Allen- He's getting older. His glove seems to be going more than his legs.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 9, 2013 12:35:32 GMT -5
Scutaro continues to hit, but I see signs that his legs are going....takes a long time to recover from a tough run....
Allen- He's getting older. His glove seems to be going more than his legs.
---boly says---
Until last year, I never saw much of Scutaro, but I can't help but wonder, based upon his history of being such a good 2 hole guy, and being a steady .270ish hitter IF the reason he hasn't moved around so much is BECAUSE his glove is his weak spot.
I questioned his range last year, and I still do.
I question his hands; he makes too many mistakes on groundballs.
and now, pop fllies.
His bat makes him worth keeping but I'll be honest with you; I'll take Jeff Kent's glove, and lack of range, over Scutaro's in a heartbeat.
But all that said, Scutaro IS a solid team player and one smart, smart hitter.
I think he's a keeper.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 9, 2013 15:53:18 GMT -5
Boly -- At the plate... I STILL don't like the loop in Blanco's start up. Because of that, I don't see him ever hitting better than .260ish. Unless he does like Wills; start bunting a LOT more for hits. Rog -- I wish Gregor was still walking a lot. He's really an on-base guy. Speaking of drag bunts, after hitting the five straight extra base hits I mentioned, in yesterday's second game for Richmond and with a runner on first base with no outs, he dragged a single to the second baseman. Unlike Blanco, Panik is no speed demon, but he has much better bat control than Gregor. I love watching Gregor's run and hit play at the plate. You know, the swing-bunt? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1816&page=1#11537#ixzz2VkpiZRSw
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 9, 2013 15:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 9, 2013 16:12:08 GMT -5
Don -- No comments on Bochy saving Romo for the prom and letting Affeldt pitch to the second hottest hitter in the game.... Rog -- I was surprised when Jeremy was left in, but he has pitched OK to right-handed batters, and we don't know the status of Sergio Romo. I suspect had Santiago Casilla been healthy and available, he would have gotten the call. Don't think it made sense to walk Goldschmidt or pitch around him, since that would have moved the lead run to second base. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1816&page=1#ixzz2VkrR308x
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 9, 2013 16:13:33 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 9, 2013 16:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by allenreed on Jun 9, 2013 18:54:14 GMT -5
Don't think it made sense to walk Goldschmidt or pitch around him, since that would have moved the lead run to second base.
Allen- Check Montero's history against Affeldt.
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Post by sharksrog on Jun 10, 2013 9:09:18 GMT -5
Rog -- Don't think it made sense to walk Goldschmidt or pitch around him, since that would have moved the lead run to second base. Allen- Check Montero's history against Affeldt. Rog -- I don't find the history, but I presume it's pretty bad. So what you're suggesting would be a bold move but something to consider. Here's the thing though. I'm sure the Affeldt/Montero sample is pretty small. What do we think the chances of Montero's getting a hit would be? Say .250? .200? What do we think the chances of Goldschmidt's getting an extra-base hit were? On the season they're about .150. It would take a double or better by Goldschmidt to put the Diamondbacks ahead, and a homer to put them ahead by two. (Goldschmidt has a homer average of about .065.) If Goldschmidt were walked, it would take only a hit by Montero to put the Diamondbacks ahead. So when one calculates the probabilities, he likely concludes that the Giants' chances with Goldschmidt were at least as good as they would be with Montero up and the runners advanced a base. And I'll just bet you weren't sitting in front of your TV saying that the Giants should walk Goldschmidt and put the lead run on second base. Barry Bonds in at his best? Maybe. Goldschmidt? Probably not. By the way, Bonds is the only player I can think of who was walked with the bases loaded. The guy following him was a weak-hitting catcher. There were two outs (as was the case this time), and the strategy worked. But the catcher lined out, meaning the Astros were LUCKY the strategy worked. Would it have been prudent to CONSIDER walking Goldschmidt? Certainly. It's good to consider all possibilities. But to actually walk Goldschmidt intentionally? Probably not. I would think the best strategy would be to pitch carefully to Goldschmidt. Obviously it could (and did) backfire. But I think you play the odds, and I don't think the odds favored walking Goldschmidt, as hot a hitter as he is this season. I don't think your idea is a bad one. I simply don't think it was the scenario most likely to succeed. I'm not against defying convention, as would have been the case here. And one could make a decent argument for doing so. Based on what we now know, I would certainly use it. But entering the at bat, I don't think walking Goldschmidt intentionally was the best strategy available. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1816&page=1#11557#ixzz2VoxdPGWU
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Post by allenreed on Jun 10, 2013 11:21:06 GMT -5
They gave the history on the broadcast yeaterday. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was 2 for 18 when Montero came up, then he made another out.
I was actually thinking they should pitch around Goldschmidt, and let him try to get himself out. If they walked him, no big deal. I believe that in the postgame, Affeldt said that was what he was trying to do. He characterized the pitch as "a dumb pitch in a dumb location. Just a stupid pitch." I wholeheartedly agree with his assessment. BTW, Goldschmidt is hitting .320 this year, Montero .207. I was once walked with the bases loaded in a slo-pitch game. Couldn't believe it. The Giants were playing the DBacks (managed by Buck Showalter at the time) when Bonds was walked with the bases loaded. Brent Mayne was the next hitter.
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Post by allenreed on Jun 10, 2013 11:22:26 GMT -5
They gave the history on the broadcast yeaterday. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was 2 for 18 when Montero came up, then he made another out.
I was actually thinking they should pitch around Goldschmidt, and let him try to get himself out. If they walked him, no big deal. I believe that in the postgame, Affeldt said that was what he was trying to do. He characterized the pitch as "a dumb pitch in a dumb location. Just a stupid pitch." I wholeheartedly agree with his assessment. BTW, Goldschmidt is hitting .320 this year, Montero .207. I was once walked with the bases loaded in a slo-pitch game. Couldn't believe it. The Giants were playing the DBacks (managed by Buck Showalter at the time) when Bonds was walked with the bases loaded. Brent Mayne was the next hitter.
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Post by donk on Jun 10, 2013 12:06:29 GMT -5
By the way, Bonds is the only player I can think of who was walked with the bases loaded. The guy following him was a weak-hitting catcher. There were two outs (as was the case this time), and the strategy worked.
dk..Mel Ott was walked with the bases filled.....
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Post by donk on Jun 10, 2013 12:07:37 GMT -5
By the way, Bonds is the only player I can think of who was walked with the bases loaded. The guy following him was a weak-hitting catcher. There were two outs (as was the case this time), and the strategy worked.
dk..Mel Ott was walked with the bases filled.....per Burns series on baseball....
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