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Post by sfgdood on Mar 19, 2013 12:24:58 GMT -5
Maybe you don't consider it an east coast bias...but the last two days, ESPN broadcast a live spring training game...Braves/Phils and Yanks/Phils
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 19, 2013 13:24:05 GMT -5
The Giants were on the MLB Network Saturday and will be again tonight.
Given that 2/3rds of the US population is said to live in the Eastern Time zone (Can that really be?), I'd go along with the East Coast Reality -- but not the East Coast Bias.
And when one gets to the bottom line, who really cares? When Men's Health put the top three young players on its cover this winter, two of the three were from cities bordering the Pacific (if one considers the LOS ANGELES portion of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim).
Just to juice this up a bit, which team do we think will be the best in baseball this year (as in the most regular season wins)? I think the Giants clearly deserve to be in the discussion.
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Post by donk on Mar 19, 2013 15:59:39 GMT -5
one thing some magazines do is to put different players on their covers to fit a certain area...a college football or basketball mag. wil have a cover featuring UCLA and USC players...er student athletes.....this years Athlon baseball Mag. features Kemp and Trout on their cover in LA...LA bias?  |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 19, 2013 20:41:35 GMT -5
rog - The Giants were on the MLB Network Saturday and will be again tonight.
Dood - MLB Network has been broadcasting lots of games. I don't think ESPN has broadcast more than one or two games before yesterday and I'd be willing to bet all of them involved at least one of the bigger market east coast teams.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 19, 2013 23:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Mar 20, 2013 0:17:22 GMT -5
Don -- this years Athlon baseball Mag. features Kemp and Trout on their cover in LA...LA bias? Rog -- In fairness, Don, I think the Athlon magazine is regional in that issue, and -- for instance -- in the Bay Area it probably has Buster Posey and Yoenis Cespedes on the cover. In Washington, probably Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg -- etc., etc., etc. dk...that is what I wrote...the bias statement was a joke... |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 20, 2013 9:39:19 GMT -5
Don -- this years Athlon baseball Mag. features Kemp and Trout on their cover in LA...LA bias? Rog -- In fairness, Don, I think the Athlon magazine is regional in that issue, and -- for instance -- in the Bay Area it probably has Buster Posey and Yoenis Cespedes on the cover. In Washington, probably Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg -- etc., etc., etc. dk...that is what I wrote...the bias statement was a joke... Rog -- Sorry I missed out on the joke, Don. I should have picked it up. I thought it was sarcasm, not a joke. Thought of another reason for the so-called bias: familiarity. When we are familiar with something, we tend to take it to extremes (the best I've ever seen or the worst I've seen). When we're unfamiliar with something, it seems murkier and thus less of an extreme and/or more uncertain. By the way, what were Athlon's predictions? I don't think those vary by location. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#9628#ixzz2O5gUfdUM |
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Post by donk on Mar 20, 2013 12:46:22 GMT -5
to win...Yanks, Tigers, Angels ..Rays and Rangers for wild card...Tigers over Angels for ALCS
Nats, Reds, Giants, and Cards and Dodgers for wild card....Nats over Giants for NLCS
Tigers over the Nats for the WS
MVP...Canoand Votto....Cy Young..Verlander and Kershaw....Rookie of the Year...Myers, Rays ...and Ryu, Dodgers
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Post by allenreed on Mar 23, 2013 13:57:35 GMT -5
Somewhat connected to this subject, I heard someone talking on MLB network about how the focus in baseball seems to be shifting to the west coast, that the Yankees and Red Sox dominance is starting to fade and the balance is shifting west to teams like the Dodgers, Angels, Giants, and A's. They even threw Seattle in the mix.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 24, 2013 11:19:03 GMT -5
Allen -- Somewhat connected to this subject, I heard someone talking on MLB network about how the focus in baseball seems to be shifting to the west coast, that the Yankees and Red Sox dominance is starting to fade and the balance is shifting west to teams like the Dodgers, Angels, Giants, and A's. They even threw Seattle in the mix. Rog -- I guess that part of the East Coast "bias" may have been that the teams were better. By the way, I think the best true baseball organization is Tampa Bay. I don't think of Tampa Bay as being "East Coast" as much as I think of New York and Boston, but -- while technically not on the East Coast per se -- is just as much an Eastern Time zone team. In fact, perhaps that is what the so-called "bias" should be called. Not the East Coast bias, but the Eastern time zone or even Eastern and Midwest time zones bias. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#9714#ixzz2OTU0XMey |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 25, 2013 12:24:04 GMT -5
With just a few days left in the Cactus and Grapefuit League schedules, ESPN showing another game today...Boston vs Baltimore.
~Dood
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 25, 2013 13:13:25 GMT -5
I agree with your assessment of ESPN, Randy, totally biased.
But on the flipside, the MLB Network has aired a number of Giants games (they'll replay today's game tomorrow at 7am) and they also are scheduled to show two of the Giants vs. A's games (on the 29th and 30th.) While ESPN has been biased as usual, the MLB Network has done a nice job.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 15:12:54 GMT -5
Boagie -- I agree with your assessment of ESPN, Randy, totally biased. Rog -- ESPN The Magazine has picked the Dodgers to win the NL West. They also posted that their various writers have been correct in their pennant (not divisional) picks less than 6% of the time. So I'm not so sure they're biased. Sounds to me like they're pretty honest in assessing themselves. One thing I was thinking about over the weekend. Many teams (including the Yankees and Red Sox) have been pretty good for a pretty long time. That likely makes them more popular (or at least more on the minds) with more fans. Do you think ESPN puts games on TV to get lower ratings? If the Giants build a dynasty this decade, I suspect by 2020 THEY will be one of the teams televised the most -- even though more viewers are in other time zones. On this topic, I find it ironic that the person who most believes in the "bias" is a person who has shown he is himself biased -- against me. It became rather clear when he criticized or at least downplayed something I wrote that actually supported his position that he may well be venting more at ME, than at what I write. On the other hand, I try to at least read and understand what others post here. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#9723#ixzz2OaGVEW6I |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 25, 2013 15:26:49 GMT -5
Boagie -- I agree with your assessment of ESPN, Randy, totally biased.
Rog -- ESPN The Magazine has picked the Dodgers to win the NL West.
Dood - kinda hard not to pick a west coast team on this one.
They also posted that their various writers have been correct in their pennant (not divisional) picks less than 6% of the time.
So I'm not so sure they're biased. Sounds to me like they're pretty honest in assessing themselves.
Dood - that's not an assessment...it's a statement of fact. If they had gone on the give one reason of the poor performance being an East Coast bias, then they would be showing an honest assesment.
If the Giants build a dynasty this decade, I suspect by 2020 THEY will be one of the teams televised the most -- even though more viewers are in other time zones.
Dood - What was the last East Coast team to win 2 WS titles in 3 years?
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 18:57:09 GMT -5
Boagie -- I agree with your assessment of ESPN, Randy, totally biased. Rog -- ESPN The Magazine has picked the Dodgers to win the NL West. Dood - kinda hard not to pick a west coast team on this one. Rog -- No one stated to the contrary. The pick wasn't the Giants though, so some might have considered the pick to be biased. By the way, Randy, the guy you were so quick to disparage is now hitting a mild .527. Wouldn't want to say you're biased though. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#9766#ixzz2ObCAuOr7 |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 18:58:33 GMT -5
Rog -- They also posted that their various writers have been correct in their pennant (not divisional) picks less than 6% of the time. So I'm not so sure they're biased. Sounds to me like they're pretty honest in assessing themselves. Dood - that's not an assessment...it's a statement of fact. If they had gone on the give one reason of the poor performance being an East Coast bias, then they would be showing an honest assesment. Rog -- What you said here isn't a fact. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#ixzz2ObCp2kwv |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 19:05:40 GMT -5
If the Giants build a dynasty this decade, I suspect by 2020 THEY will be one of the teams televised the most -- even though more viewers are in other time zones. Dood - What was the last East Coast team to win 2 WS titles in 3 years? Rog -- The Yankees, who won it 3 straight times, and 4 times in 5 years. Nice of you to ask. Undating, the minor league hack/insurance salesman now has an .864 OPS this spring training, or right at his career OPS in the minor leagues. It will be intriguing to see if Francisco Peguero starts soon. Gillespie (1 for 3 with two walks) started today, while Peguero pinch hit (0 for 1 with a walk). I suspect the competition is still alive, which is why I'm intrigued to see if Francisco starts again soon. Nick Noonan went 2 for 5 today, strengthening his bid for a roster spot. Pablo may well start the season on the DL and miss the first four games. That should keep Nick up unless the Giants acquire another utility infielder and Tony Abreu comes back. The last I heard, Abreu was himself expected to open the season on the DL. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#ixzz2ObDAYn2t |
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Post by donk on Mar 25, 2013 19:15:26 GMT -5
The Giants are really a small market team in the wrong time zone for viewing back east where ratings live and die for TV....isn't it good enough that they get all the viewing in the post season?I believe that the ratings for the World Series went down when the Giants were playing...Heck, even the Giants don't carrt their exhibition games on TV...the few times they did, ESPN or MLB.com carried the games...exhibition games are carried on the national networks if their local teams broadcast the game....
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 25, 2013 19:44:52 GMT -5
If the Giants build a dynasty this decade, I suspect by 2020 THEY will be one of the teams televised the most -- even though more viewers are in other time zones.
Dood - What was the last East Coast team to win 2 WS titles in 3 years?
Rog -- The Yankees, who won it 3 straight times, and 4 times in 5 years. Nice of you to ask.
Dood - the last of which was 14 years ago...thanks for the history lesson...
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 25, 2013 19:46:17 GMT -5
Undating, the minor league hack/insurance salesman now has an .864 OPS this spring training, or right at his career OPS in the minor leagues.
It will be intriguing to see if Francisco Peguero starts soon. Gillespie (1 for 3 with two walks) started today, while Peguero pinch hit (0 for 1 with a walk).
Dood - meanwhile on the defensive and base running side of the ledger, Francisco is way ahead.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:29:41 GMT -5
Rog -- If the Giants build a dynasty this decade, I suspect by 2020 THEY will be one of the teams televised the most -- even though more viewers are in other time zones. Dood - What was the last East Coast team to win 2 WS titles in 3 years? Rog -- The Yankees, who won it 3 straight times, and 4 times in 5 years. Nice of you to ask. Dood - the last of which was 14 years ago...thanks for the history lesson... Rog -- I wasn't giving you a history lesson as much as answering your question. I wish you would do half the job of answering mine. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#9777#ixzz2OcJAG1aV |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:31:00 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:35:05 GMT -5
Rog -- Undating, the minor league hack/insurance salesman now has an .864 OPS this spring training, or right at his career OPS in the minor leagues. It will be intriguing to see if Francisco Peguero starts soon. Gillespie (1 for 3 with two walks) started today, while Peguero pinch hit (0 for 1 with a walk). Dood - meanwhile on the defensive and base running side of the ledger, Francisco is way ahead. Rog -- A couple of points here: . No question Francisco owns a very large advantage in the field, altough Gillespie is far from lost out there. The thing is that the Giants have very nice defense from their first four outfielders and most need a bat from the 5th outfielder. Gillespie has more power and gets on base more often. . I would give Peguero the base running edge, too. But not by nearly as much as it should be given the huge speed advantage Francisco enjoys. There hasn't been nearly as much difference between the two in stolen bases as one would expect. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1612&page=1#ixzz2OcJtaXeP |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:42:32 GMT -5
Another thing to consider when comparing Peguero and Gillespie at the plate: Last season Peguero hit into 20 double plays, and he has hit into 42 over the past three seasons. Gillespie grounded into only 7 last season and 34 over the past three years.
The biggest disadvantage Francisco has when compared to Gillespie is that he makes too many outs.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 26, 2013 0:44:10 GMT -5
Don -- I believe that the ratings for the World Series went down when the Giants were playing...
Rog -- I would think the best ratings would come from Mets vs. Yankees.
Boagie- I wouldn't doubt this. People on the East Coast wouldn't even bother watching a West Coast WS because they believe anything outside of the east coast isn't worthy of watching, thus an east coast bias.
But I'm starting to think that you believe a bias is ok if there's money involved. I consider it understandable, but that doesn't make the bias go away. And that doesn't mean me living on the west coast can't have a problem with it, afterall, they completely disregard what interests me...and guess what, I pay for ESPN.
ESPN feeds us the same bs on a nightly basis, creating more lore between the Redsox vs. Yankees rivalry, NY subway series ect...The average baseball fan on the west side of the Mississippi is probably more interested in the East Coast games too because of the buzz the media generates. I've come to grips with the fact that ESPN and their staff have almost zero interest in the Giants.
Trust me, I used to live in WA before they had the baseball packages they have nowadays, and I had to rely on ESPN alot to hear what happened in the game, the Yankees and Redsox ALWAYS came first.
You are right that more viewers are on the East Coast, but just because that's true, doesn't mean the media disregarding the West Coast isn't still being biased.
If Mike Krukow continued to say that all the Giants players were better than the rest of the players in baseball, trying to sell it to the hometown fan base, is it not biased? Just because you're trying to sell something doesn't mean it's not biased.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 8:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 8:09:02 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Mar 26, 2013 13:33:32 GMT -5
take a close look at the coverage the various teams give their fans during spring training,,,,the Giants very few games on TV, and relegate their radio coverage to their Fresno broadcaster...the Phils, Yanks, Red Sox and Mets TV most of the ST games, and these are the broadcasts MLB.com and ESPN pick up.....I really don't see a lot of bias there....during the regular season the 3 time zone difference creates a real problem for showing West Coast games back East unless you tamper with starting times...this was something the Western teams had a problem with because it has a negative effect on their local fans and game conditions....I still think that the sport's writers on the whole are as fair as any group...I think you can look at the awards given to individuals or teams that are voted in by thr National sports writers have been fairly well distributed between sections of the country...and because of ones own bias, we can disagree with their selections from time to time, but it is usually fair...was Gonzaga really #1 or was that West Coast bias? |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 13:15:44 GMT -5
This came as a surprise to me: The Giants' first FIVE games are televised nationally via ESPN (game 1), MLB Network (games 2 and 4), ESPN II (game 3) or Fox (game 5).
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 27, 2013 14:08:46 GMT -5
With ESPN having set up shop in LA now, it's no surprise that they would feature the Dodgers in 2 of their first 3 games. Fox is probably a regional telecast, as their games of the week generally are. MLB Network broadcasts so many games that it's nearly impossible not to make it on to their schedule regularly.
~Dood
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