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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 9, 2013 8:50:28 GMT -5
Sorry to not have posted for a while. Candee and have been gone for the last 9 days.
I missed opening day +... but being on a cruise definitely was a more important choice. It's a long season.
I didn't see Tough Timmy's first outting, but I read about it.
Once again, command problems.
I'll be watching tonight with great curiosity, but honestly, I'm expecting more of the same thing that we saw all spring; lack of control of the strike zone.
Still, in spite of all that I have written to the contrary, I do remain hopeful.
I still think LA is the team to beat.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Apr 9, 2013 10:38:34 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but I've watched at least part of every Dodger game. Outside of Kershaw, I really don't see anything special there. Crawford has played well, and probably will continue to if things go right for them, but if they don't, he'll fold it up, as will Beckett, Ethier, and Hanley. Kemp has been horrible thus far, there's something amiss there. I also think that in the long run, their pen will be found wanting.
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Post by rxmeister on Apr 9, 2013 14:26:38 GMT -5
Good to have you back, Boly. I'd ask you how the cruise went, but that might make Randy angry!
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 10, 2013 12:26:27 GMT -5
Allen -- Hate to say it, but I've watched at least part of every Dodger game. Outside of Kershaw, I really don't see anything special there. Rog -- And yet when you posted that you hadn't seen anything special, they were 4-2 and half a game ahead of the Giants. You hadn't seen anything special, and, yes, they had scored a very poor 17 runs in six games -- but they had given up only an outstanding 10. That all got evened out a little last night, but they're still over .500 and within a half game of the Giants. Not that the Dodgers have been great, but a couple of things you might have missed that at least SEEM special: . Adrian Gonzalez is hitting .435. . Zack Greinke has a 0.00 ERA and a WHIP of 0.32. . The Dodgers' pitching staff overall has a 2.18 ERA and a 0.87 WHIP. Now THAT'S special. Remember, I picked the Giants over the Dodgers, so I'm not defending the Dodgers. What I'm actually defending here are reality and the truth. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1669#ixzz2Q57E9muL |
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 10, 2013 13:24:36 GMT -5
Chad Billingsley is a poor man's Matt Cain. When he gets healthy, he'll be the Dodgers' FIFTH starter.
Matt Kemp is off to a horrible start to the season and hit only .250 in spring training, but in spring training and AA ball, Yasiel Puig is hitting .521 with an .831 SLG. If his numbers were cut IN HALF, he would be Nate Schierholtz.
The Dodgers just added former All-Star Ramon Hernandez as the BACKUP catcher. In Hernandez, Skip Schumaker and Jerry Hairston, the Dodgers likely have three backups better than any the Giants can offer aside from Joaquin Arias.
The Dodgers are just a half game behind the Giants despite not having Billingsley or Hanley Ramirez yet.
I still like the Giants better, but it doesn't seem right to overlook the Dodgers, either. In fact, the division as a whole appears to be rather deep.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 10, 2013 14:22:31 GMT -5
Chad Billingsley is a poor man's Matt Cain. When he gets healthy, he'll be the Dodgers' FIFTH starter.
Matt Kemp is off to a horrible start to the season and hit only .250 in spring training, but in spring training and AA ball, Yasiel Puig is hitting .521 with an .831 SLG. If his numbers were cut IN HALF, he would be Nate Schierholtz.
The Dodgers just added former All-Star Ramon Hernandez as the BACKUP catcher. In Hernandez, Skip Schumaker and Jerry Hairston, the Dodgers likely have three backups better than any the Giants can offer aside from Joaquin Arias.
The Dodgers are just a half game behind the Giants despite not having Billingsley or Hanley Ramirez yet.
I still like the Giants better, but it doesn't seem right to overlook the Dodgers, either. In fact, the division as a whole appears to be rather deep.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 10, 2013 14:56:37 GMT -5
I missed opening day +... but being on a cruise definitely was a more important choice. It's a long season.
I didn't see Tough Timmy's first outting, but I read about it.
Once again, command problems.
I'll be watching tonight with great curiosity, but honestly, I'm expecting more of the same thing that we saw all spring; lack of control of the strike zone.
Still, in spite of all that I have written to the contrary, I do remain hopefu
---boly says---
Okay... start 2 was better, barely.
The HR to Tulo didn't bother me at all. That guy can flat out hit, and Tim made a location mistake.
But that 5 run inning...
When he was going good, those things didn't happen. Now, he has that "one or two" bad innings virtually every start.
And they're not just "bad innings," they are LOST COMMAND innings, which double or triple the damage against him.
Nice velocity all night.
Great movement.
Command?
Can't continue to be up and down like that.
I'll call start # 2 a push minus.
Better, but not good enough.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 10, 2013 15:01:56 GMT -5
Boly -- Nice velocity all night.
Rog -- It was nice early, but fell off considerably after that. Tim's average fastball this year has been 90.3 mph -- just a tick behind his 90.4 of last season.
By the way, it's GREAT to have you back, Boly.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 10, 2013 15:05:25 GMT -5
They didn't hit Tim as hard last night as in his first start (50% ground balls compared to 21% against the Dodgers, andwhen he missed last night, it was usually down, not up.
His pitches were still drifting inside to right-handed hitters though. Walking the pitcher TWICE wasn't particularly good.
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Post by allenreed on Apr 11, 2013 10:51:23 GMT -5
Rog -- And yet when you posted that you hadn't seen anything special, they were 4-2 and half a game ahead of the Giants.
Allen- Someone here is always lecturing us about reading too much into a small sample. Gonzalez has two extra base hits, both doubles, and Greinke has made one start against the anemic Pirates. In fact, other than the Giants, the Dodgers have played the Pirates and the Padres, both the dregs of the league.
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Post by allenreed on Apr 11, 2013 10:54:16 GMT -5
]Chad Billingsley is a poor man's Matt Cain. When he gets healthy, he'll be the Dodgers' FIFTH starter.
Allen- Our fifth starter is Vogey. I'll take him over Chad every day and twice on Sunday.
Matt Kemp is off to a horrible start to the season and hit only .250 in spring training, but in spring training and AA ball, Yasiel Puig is hitting .521 with an .831 SLG. If his numbers were cut IN HALF, he would be Nate Schierholtz.
Allen- If Schierholtz was facing AA pitching, he'd probably have better numbers.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 11, 2013 13:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 11, 2013 14:44:23 GMT -5
Boly -- But that 5 run inning...
Rog -- The five-run inning was horrible, but if Marco Scutaro had gotten the sure out at first instead of making a throwing error on an ill-advised fielders' choice, the Rockies are held scoreless in that inning.
When Tim pitches, the Giants should simply get the sure out. When they don't, he has a hard time recovering.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 11, 2013 15:36:23 GMT -5
Rog -- And yet when you posted that you hadn't seen anything special, they were 4-2 and half a game ahead of the Giants. Allen- Someone here is always lecturing us about reading too much into a small sample. Rog -- Absolutely. But you made the statement that watching most of the Dodgers' game, you hadn't seen anything special aside from perhaps Carl Crawford, and I was merely pointing out that the pitching and also Adrian Gonzalez certainly appeared to have been special. I still like the Giants better, but I don't think it is fair or prudent to overlook the Dodgers. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1669&page=1#ixzz2QBmWp7Mv |
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 11, 2013 16:05:22 GMT -5
Rog -- in spring training and AA ball, Yasiel Puig is hitting .521 with an .831 SLG. If his numbers were cut IN HALF, he would be Nate Schierholtz. Allen- If Schierholtz was facing AA pitching, he'd probably have better numbers. Rog -- I agree. But I doubt Nate would be hitting over .500, either. Spring training stats don't mean much for established players, but they do mean more for young players and players competing for jobs, which Nate was (at least in theory). Puig hit .517; Nate hit .275. My guess is that Puig is already at least as good a hitter as Nate, although I'm not positive about it. If Puig truly is, he might well be up sometime during the season especially if a Dodger outfielder stumbles or becomes injured. Speaking of which, I have a feeling Puig himself has suffered a minor injury himself. He came to the plate only twice last night after not playing the night before. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1669&page=1#ixzz2QBnS6Hcx |
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Post by allenreed on Apr 11, 2013 16:36:46 GMT -5
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Rog -- Absolutely. But you made the statement that watching most of the Dodgers' game, you hadn't seen anything special aside from perhaps Carl Crawford, and I was merely pointing out that the pitching and also Adrian Gonzalez certainly appeared to have been special.
Allen- Crawford's off to a good start, but his history is when things get tough, he folds it up. The Dodgers have some good players. Lots of teams have some good players. That's nothing special. I haven't seen anything to indicate the Dodgers will rip through the NL West, or even win it.
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 11, 2013 17:23:19 GMT -5
Allen- Crawford's off to a good start, but his history is when things get tough, he folds it up. The Dodgers have some good players. Lots of teams have some good players. That's nothing special. I haven't seen anything to indicate the Dodgers will rip through the NL West, or even win it. Rog -- Nor have I. In fact, I have predicted and still believe AGAINST it. But I don't believe there is "nothing special" about them. Even the poor teams usually have something about them that is special. The Dodgers have SEVERAL players who have been special -- and a few who still are. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1669&page=1#10218#ixzz2QCDbp5qz |
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