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Post by allenreed on Jan 3, 2013 12:33:50 GMT -5
Let me pause a minute until the earth stops shaking. The Giants made two game changing signings yesterday by inking Scott Proctor and Ryan Sadowski. Both pitched in Korea last year.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 3, 2013 20:41:46 GMT -5
Isn't Sadowski a recent Giant?
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 3, 2013 20:42:12 GMT -5
In fact, wasn't his nickname "The Big Sadowski"?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jan 4, 2013 10:45:32 GMT -5
Let me pause a minute until the earth stops shaking. The Giants made two game changing signings yesterday by inking Scott Proctor and Ryan Sadowski. Both pitched in Korea last year.
--boly says---
Not earth shattering, that's for sure, BUT... Proctor could be a steal. IF, and I say IF... he's really learned that split fingered pitch, he could be a HUGE steal! Huge! Maybe he won't have the impact Uribe did for us, but Sabean could have found a gem everyone else missed.
And if it doesn't happen? Nothing's lost.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Jan 4, 2013 11:38:35 GMT -5
Two ex-Giants DFA'd yesterday. Thomas Neal by the Indians, and Eli Whiteside (yet again) by the Rangers.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 4, 2013 13:06:17 GMT -5
Allen -- Two ex-Giants DFA'd yesterday. Thomas Neal by the Indians, and Eli Whiteside (yet again) by the Rangers. Rog -- After his very fine 2009 season for the San Jose Giants, Neal was ranked the #96 major league prospect. As recently as 2010 he was ranked #7 among Giants prospects before being traded in a 2011 deadline deal to the Indians in exchange for shortstop Orlando Cabrera. If the Giants could re-sign Neal to a minor league contract he would be a decent prospect for a thin outfield. The Giants, Yankees, Blue Jays and Rangers each has had ownership of Whiteside this winter, and I suspect he will be claimed again this time. If not, clearly he would be a good guy on a minor league contract. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1424#ixzz2H1vtAZwa |
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Post by Islandboagie on Jan 18, 2013 15:55:16 GMT -5
The Giants have reached agreements with Posey (8 mil) Pence (13.8 mil) Gregor Blanco (1.35 mil) and Jose Mirajes (1.8 mil.)
Pence is making too much, but the rest are bargains at their price, imo.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 18, 2013 18:15:38 GMT -5
There was a Bleachers Report article about the six Giants' players filing for arbitration. I looked at the list and guess about $30 million. These four took up $25 million, so Sergio Romo and Joaquin Arias should wind up taking up close to the rest.
As we have been saying for quite a while here, the Giants need to lock Buster up long-term. Tim Lincecum was also paid $8 million for his first arbitration year, and he wound up receiving another $55 million for his three arbs after that.
If the Giants could lock Buster up for five years or more at anything reasonable, I'd jump on it. A year earlier in the process, the Giants locked up Madison Bumgarner for 5/$35 with two option years that could being the contract to 7/$59.
The Giants won't be able to approach that with Buster, but anything at all close would be fine.
We first spoke here almost six years ago about the value of locking up young players. The Giants likely saved a LOT of money with Mad Bum, and hopefully they will do the same with Buster.
The Giants missed the boat with Lincecum. They are spending $64 million for his four arbitration years, and they haven't locked him up for a single year of free agency.
Tim's horrible performance last season could make the Giants' failure to act quickly less egregious, but if he bounces back strongly this season, he will likely approach the 6/$147 Zack Greinke received from the Dodgers this off-season.
In other words, if Tim bounces back strongly, the Giants will likely lose him. If bounces back well but not particularly well, they might be able to afford him. But if the bounce back isn't all that great, will they still want to pay something like 4/$80 or 5/$100 for him?
The Giants tried to lock Tim up last winter for 5/$100. Right now, having done so would be a very large risk. But if Tim bounces back even decently, he likely will make at least that much over those five seasons.
Big TV money is entering the game, meaning salaries are going up, up, up.
On the other side, we wondered when the Giants were able to pick up Jose Mijares how they were able to do so. Having him for 1/$1.8 this season is a blessing, and I believe the Giants have control over Jose for one more year after that.
It's all about having good, young talent you can control -- with a smattering of good veterans to fill out the roster. That enables a team to be good without having its spending go through the roof.
Deals like the Giants made with Mad Bum can help them keep their salaries under control even while taking advantage of their fine, young talent as it ages. Now they need to do something creative with Buster.
By the way, Hunter Pence ISN'T overpaid. Even with his down season in 2012, if he were a free agent this winter, he likely would have done better than Nick Swisher's 4/$56, which works out to about the same per year as Hunter will be making for 2013.
I understand why you say that Hunter is overpaid, but I don't think he is making more than market value. Tim Lincecum at $22.5 million is making over market value, but I'm not sure any other Giants are doing so. Hunter is being paid close to market value, but likely not over it.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 18, 2013 18:17:55 GMT -5
By the way, as to the other players' being bargains, each is making about what one would expect in their arbitration situation.
I can't remember just who it is, but there is someone out there who predicts what players will make in arbitration. If a one-year deal is done without actually going to arbitration, he is darn accurate. I know he was around $14 million for Hunter, and he may have been right smack on the $13.8.
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Post by Islandboagie on Jan 18, 2013 19:28:44 GMT -5
Rog- We first spoke here almost six years ago about the value of locking up young players. The Giants likely saved a LOT of money with Mad Bum, and hopefully they will do the same with Buster.
Boagie- I hope that's possible, but from day one with the Giants, Buster hasn't been a pushover at the negotiating table. Buster and his agent wanted the highest signing bonus in baseball history, and got it.
Bumgarner's primary concern at the negotiating table was getting enough feed for his cattle.
Also, Bumgarner is a young pitcher who still hasnt reached his peak yet. Buster is a MVP, if he was a free agent right now he'd probably fetch in the neighborhood of 25 mil a year.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 19, 2013 9:55:09 GMT -5
Boagie- I hope that's possible, but from day one with the Giants, Buster hasn't been a pushover at the negotiating table. Buster and his agent wanted the highest signing bonus in baseball history, and got it. Bumgarner's primary concern at the negotiating table was getting enough feed for his cattle. Also, Bumgarner is a young pitcher who still hasnt reached his peak yet. Buster is a MVP, if he was a free agent right now he'd probably fetch in the neighborhood of 25 mil a year. Rog -- Good point about Buster's having received the biggest pure bonus of any player. And you're right that as a free agent, Buster would command about as much as any player. The time to lock Buster up would have been after his first season. Players will sometimes take less at that point in order to gain lifetime financial security. As we have also discussed, it is the underpaid young players early in their careers that a team can build around in a financially responsible way. Of course, the risk in locking up young guys long-term is that they might become injured or otherwise not perform as well as expected. But if teams are selective with the players they handle this way, there seems to be far more reward than risk. One of our posters was talking about how the Giants should be able to spend to improve themselves the $35+ million saved on the contacts of Aaron Rowand, Aubrey Huff, Freddy Sanchez and Brian Wilson. In reality, most of that money will go to raises for the arbitration-eligible players plus Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1424#ixzz2IQuBODcC |
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 25, 2013 20:22:04 GMT -5
Baggs said last week that the Giants are in "advanced negotiations" with Brandon Lyon. He had his best year last year and would be a great addition to the bullpen.
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Post by donk on Jan 25, 2013 20:53:04 GMT -5
Baggs said last week that the Giants are in "advanced negotiations" with Brandon Lyon. He had his best year last year and would be a great addition to the bullpen. dk those advanced negotiations are taking a long time to finish.....I still would like to see them sign up a power outfielder...Giancarlon Stanton would be nice... even with a high K/BB ratio...I would give the top 3 prospects and a pen pitcher for him....nice story about him in the LA Times...all 6'-5, 240# of him saying it isn't strength but bat speed that results in his long homers.... |
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Post by donk on Jan 25, 2013 20:54:32 GMT -5
Baggs said last week that the Giants are in "advanced negotiations" with Brandon Lyon. He had his best year last year and would be a great addition to the bullpen. dk those advanced negotiations are taking a long time to finish.....I still would like to see them sign up a power outfielder...Giancarlon Stanton would be nice... even with a high K/BB ratio...I would give the top 3 prospects and a pen pitcher for him....nice story about him in the LA Times...all 6'-5, 240# of him saying it isn't strength but bat speed that results in his long homers.... |
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Post by rxmeister on Jan 27, 2013 11:34:53 GMT -5
Stanton isn't going anywhere, as the only Marlins good player not making a big salary, and if they do decide to trade him I don't think the Giants have the prospects to get it done. I agree that the Lyon negotiations are really taking a long time, but since I haven't heard anything about him talking to other teams, I'm just assuming they're working out minor details.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 27, 2013 12:11:36 GMT -5
Mark -- Baggs said last week that the Giants are in "advanced negotiations" with Brandon Lyon. He had his best year last year and would be a great addition to the bullpen.
Rog -- Brandon has been very good three of the last four seasons, being injured in the other one.
dk those advanced negotiations are taking a long time to finish.....
Rog -- It was also said that the Giants were very close to signing Marco Scutaro well before they were able to wrap up negotiations. But they did wind up signing him.
Don -- I still would like to see them sign up a power outfielder...Giancarlon Stanton would be nice...
Rog -- Saying Stanton would be nice is kind of like saying just over a half century ago that Willie McCovey would be nice.
Don -- even with a high K/BB ratio...I would give the top 3 prospects and a pen pitcher for him....
Rog -- As Mark goes on to mention, the Giants don't have good enough prospects in the minor leagues to land Stanton. The Marlins would likely want Madison Bumgarner in the deal.
If the Giants still had Zack Wheeler, a deal might have been more feasible.
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Post by sharksrog on Jan 27, 2013 12:12:20 GMT -5
Speaking of Zack Wheeler, I would like to see from Mark what New York is saying about him.
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