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Post by sfgdood on Oct 26, 2012 14:07:04 GMT -5
Where did these guys disappear to? I would have thought the postseason run would bring them out of hibernation. I'm starting to worry that Don went postal on Al and is now locked up awaiting trial.
~Dood
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 26, 2012 15:46:37 GMT -5
Where did these guys disappear to? I would have thought the postseason run would bring them out of hibernation. I'm starting to worry that Don went postal on Al and is now locked up awaiting trial.
~Dood
---boly says--
Randy, I've been wondering the same thing.
I've missed them.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 27, 2012 0:28:50 GMT -5
I have communicated iwth Don in a handful of emails. He is fine and has said he may return after the season (and postseason) are over.
I haven't communicated with Allen, but I would be surprised if he won't be back. I guess I should take the time to email him.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 27, 2012 6:34:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I received an email from DK which indicated to me that he still reads the board, but hasn't been commenting. Rog said after the series, but more probably after the election, because its probably the politics that drove him away. Not sure about Allen though.
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Post by allenreed on Nov 8, 2012 18:11:01 GMT -5
Where did these guys disappear to? I would have thought the postseason run would bring them out of hibernation. I'm starting to worry that Don went postal on Al and is now locked up awaiting trial. ~Dood Back for a second. Having some problems with the computer. Very frustrating. Especially during the playoffs and Ws. Now I'm back and it's hard to get back in the flow. Too much to read and hard to get a gauge on what people are talking about. Very jubilant about the season and how it ended. I really like the team right now, but there are some offseason decisions that could be interesting. Do we want to try to improve in LF? What about Victorino? Where are we going with Lincecum and Zito? Keep or no? How long a deal do you give Scutaro? He's getting old, and he won't always be as hot as he was in the postseason. Sabes says he's intent on keeping Pence, which i think is a good move. What about Wilson? On the other hand, very disappointed in the election. It's bad enough that Obama got another term. (get ready for $8/gallon gas and $25 trillion in debt, and nothing whatsoever being done about jobs or the economy. First up the "fiscal cliff" and sequestration. After the Libya debacle, I'm surprised he got a vote. This guy literally gambled with these people's lives for political gain, leaving them hanging to promote his own false narrative that Islamic terrorism was on the wane, then he didn't even have the integrity to fess up when things went bad. We're still waiting to hear from him about what happened. Of course the biased media gave him a pass, even when American lives are lost. |
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Post by sharksrog on Nov 8, 2012 18:54:36 GMT -5
Allen -- Back for a second. Having some problems with the computer. Very frustrating. Especially during the playoffs and Ws. Now I'm back and it's hard to get back in the flow. Too much to read and hard to get a gauge on what people are talking about. Rog -- Great to have you back. Ironically, I find there is too LITTLE to read here, although with you (and I presume Don, now that the elections is over) back, maybe that will improve. As for what people are talking about, just post on what YOU want to talk about. Given that the Giants are trying to keep as much of their present team together as they reasonably can, this should be an intriguing time. How much will it take? How much will they be willing to spend? How high should they be willing to go for certain players? How much is it likely to take? Allen -- Very jubilant about the season and how it ended. I really like the team right now, but there are some offseason decisions that could be interesting. Do we want to try to improve in LF? What about Victorino? Rog -- Shane has been in decline of late. His defense should be excellent for left field, but he lacks the power of a corner outfielder. That becomes less important if he plays on a team that already has power, and if he gets on base a lot. Clearly the Giants lack power, and Shane's OBP the past three seasons has been .327, .355 and .321. Shane has been a fine player, but that was as a center fielder and when he was younger and putting up higher batting averages. Part of the equation is price, but I doubt it will be very low. By the way, Shane is a .275 career hitter. That's pretty low for a corner outfielder with modest power -- especially one who seems to be declining. Pitchers are throwing Shane fewer and fewer strikes, yet he isn't walking much more, perhaps because he is swinging at a higher percentage of pitches outside the zone. I have liked Shane a lot over the years, and I remember he was a particular favorite of Marc. But he is both older and declining more than Aaron Rowand was. Allen -- Where are we going with Lincecum and Zito? Keep or no? Rog -- Both will be Giants next season, or I will be very surprised. How much market do we think there is for Zito? There is a market for Tim, but given how poor his 2012 season was, how much he is going to be paid ($22 million), and his eligibility for free agency a year from now, how much can the Giants get in return? It's not as if the Giants have minor league pitching to replace one or the other, let alone both. Allen -- How long a deal do you give Scutaro? He's getting old, and he won't always be as hot as he was in the postseason. Rog -- It will almost certainly take two years to keep the (just turned) 37-year-old a Giant, perhaps at $15 million. The market for second basemen is very thin. Marco will likely be back. Allen -- Sabes says he's intent on keeping Pence, which i think is a good move. Rog -- Hunter is under team control for one more season. Allen -- What about Wilson? Rog -- Brian is also under team control. The problem is that the Giants can cut Brian's salary by only something like 20%, and Brian made $8.5 million last season. I think the two parties will work out a deal for less, but if Brian is healthy, there is a great deal of demand for closers. Heck, Jeremy Affeldt might command something like 3/$22. Brian may choose to stay with the Giants at a relative bargain -- hoping to build his value as a free agent a year from now. I expect him back. Pagan could become VERY expensive. You were the first one who turned us on to Angel, and he had a good enough season that some think he might get as much as 4/$50. Melky will likely be a bargain, but the Giants have shown no sign of re-signing him. Great to have you back. Hang with us, and you would probably have already known most of this stuff. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1086&page=1#7413#ixzz2BfyjCTLb |
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 10, 2012 12:00:02 GMT -5
Allen -- Back for a second. Having some problems with the computer. Very frustrating. Especially during the playoffs and Ws. Now I'm back and it's hard to get back in the flow. Too much to read and hard to get a gauge on what people are talking about.
Rog -- Great to have you back. Ironically, I find there is too LITTLE to read here, although with you (and I presume Don, now that the elections is over) back, maybe that will improve.
---boly says----
I'm with Rog: GREAT to have you back, allen! But too little to read here.
boly
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 10, 2012 13:24:13 GMT -5
Good to see you Allen, and yes, as expected there's not alot of talk as of yet.
Just imagine if we didn't make the post season, there'd be numerous posts on how we can dismantle the team like after 2011.
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Post by sharksrog on Nov 10, 2012 22:13:02 GMT -5
Sometimes I think we post more when things are going wrong. To some extent that's understandable.
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Post by rxmeister on Nov 11, 2012 8:44:44 GMT -5
I agree, Rog, and that's because this board is a great spot to let out your rage. There's no rage when you're the champs, and when I'm walking down the street in my Giants 2012 World Champions gear and strangers are congratulating me, I'm pretty happy! Not to mention that I'm also a Knicks fan, and they have their best team in years and are the only undefeated team in the NBA. The Jets? Can't have everything, but at least my disappointment is only once a week in football, and sometimes two weeks, because they had the bye last week!
Back to baseball though. I'm reading the Giants are close on Affeldt, which makes me happy and sad at the same time. They're talking 3 yrs at 15-20 million, which is too many years and way too much money for a guy who's a setup man at best, and a lefty specialist when he's not at his best. I also worry that paying Affeldt that much cripples them in other areas. I thought all that money they paid Affeldt and Lopez last year definitely hindered them in the pursuit of a big bat for the outfield. I thought the acquisition of Mijares made one of the other lefties expendable, and since Lopez was signed already, they could save money by letting Jeremy go. That being said, if they're signing Affeldt and NOT letting his money affect them in improving in other areas, I'm happy to have one of our October heroes back. Don't think that's the case though with our "frugal" owners. I've heard the Giants are one of the teams interested in Nick Swisher, but I'm thinking that's a fallback option if they lose Pagan. I can't see them affording an outfield of Pagan, Swisher and Pence.
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Post by sharksrog on Nov 12, 2012 12:55:51 GMT -5
Mark -- That being said, if they're signing Affeldt and NOT letting his money affect them in improving in other areas, I'm happy to have one of our October heroes back. Rog -- I would guess the cost for Jeremy would be closer to $20 million than $15. Some thought his contract might be modeled after Brandon League's 3/$22 with the Dodgers. One possbility mentoned here would be to re-sign Affeldt and then trade Lopez. The Giants wouldn't have been able to acquire Angel Pagan for Andres Torres straight up, but adding reliever Ramon Ramirez made the deal possible. Lopez has more trade value than Ramirez did. Speaking of the Pagan deal and Ramirez in particular, I originally opposed the deal. But thankfully I warmed to it when I realized that despite my liking Ramon, the metrics indicated he was overdue for a down year. Occasionally a pitcher will overcome the metrics, though, as Mark Buehrle has done. Buehrle strands runners exceptionallly well for his overall level of pitching. Usually those things begin to even out. But Buehrle has done so for so large a sample that it is beginning to appear he has a talent few others possess. Mark -- Don't think that's the case though with our "frugal" owners. Rog -- Bringing back all the 2012 heroes will be difficult, but the biggest part may be doable. This nonsense about the tight purse strings of the Giants is just that -- nonsense. The Giants' payroll has risen 37% since the won the World Series in 2010. It has risen 60% since 2008. And since 2000, the year the Mets knocked off the Giants in the first round? It has gone up by 245%. Mark -- I've heard the Giants are one of the teams interested in Nick Swisher, but I'm thinking that's a fallback option if they lose Pagan. I can't see them affording an outfield of Pagan, Swisher and Pence. Rog -- Nick is an underrated player, but he's also a poor outfielder who will be pretty expensive. Nick made $10.25 million last season (an option the Yankees exercised), and will likely make a fair amount more going forward. He will turn 32 later this month, so he'll likely pick up a fair number of years, as well. I suppose it won't happen, but to me the guy to bring back is Melky. The feeling is that he can be had for a single year at something like $8 million. To me, that's an excellent risk/reward tradeoff. I posted here how the Giants might be able to bring almost everyone back if they can increase their payroll by about 20%. They increased payroll by 23% after winning the World Series in 2010. A couple of other related items: Looking at how the 2012 roster compared with the 2010 roster, the Giants kept almost all their pitchers while blowing up their position players. Only Ryan Vogelsong, George Kontos and Jose Mijares were new among the hurlers, while only Buster Posey and Pablo Sandoval remained among the position players. Also, I never did come around on the Sanchez/Melky trade (until Melky exploded and Jonathan imploded, of course). My view of that deal was that both players had risk, but Sanchez had more upside. What I didn't factor in was that something happened to Jonathan at the end of May, 2011 and that Melky was on steroids. I recognized the condition with Sanchez, but I figured after a year it would be fixed. I never even thought about steroids where Melky was concerned. Melky's huge improvement from 2010 to 2011 should have alerted me. I was worried about whether he could sustain the improvement, but I never thought about steroids and how he could actually CONTINUE to improve by leaps and bounds. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1086&page=1#7428#ixzz2C1w4wWRV |
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 12, 2012 14:44:30 GMT -5
Mark -- I've heard the Giants are one of the teams interested in Nick Swisher, but I'm thinking that's a fallback option if they lose Pagan. I can't see them affording an outfield of Pagan, Swisher and Pence.
Rog -- Nick is an underrated player, but he's also a poor outfielder who will be pretty expensive. Nick made $10.25 million last season (an option the Yankees exercised), and will likely make a fair amount more going forward. He will turn 32 later this month, so he'll likely pick up a fair number of years, as well.
Boagie- Swisher is a decent player, but his three flaws are he's lousy in the field, he strikes out too much and he's lacking speed. He might be a good choice for a hitter friendly ballpark, but AT&T will expose his weaknesses too often IMHO.
We learned last season that speed and putting the ball in play was a crucial ingredient to us being a good offensive team. I don't think we should shy away from that.
I can't believe I'm saying this but, anyone interested in Nyjer Morgan? I absolutely hate the guy, but he's got alot of speed and after a down year last year he might be available for cheap. I might learn to like him.
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Post by sharksrog on Nov 12, 2012 17:04:24 GMT -5
Boagie -- I can't believe I'm saying this but, anyone interested in Nyjer Morgan? I absolutely hate the guy, but he's got alot of speed and after a down year last year he might be available for cheap. I might learn to like him. Rog -- Off the top I liked your idea, since I like to get players when they're down and inexpensive. And Nyjer might make a decent 5th outfielder on a contending club. But I wouldn't count on him to start. To some extent he's a duplication of Gregor Blanco. Worse, I'm worried that this past season may be the beginning of a downward trend as opposed to something he will bounce back strongly from. Nyjer swung and missed more last season than any of his career. His rates were still decent, but a Punch and Judy hitter such as he is needs to make as much contact as possible. His strikeout rate rose to 19.6% from a career average of 16.1%. His swinging strike rate jumped to 8.1% from a career 6.8%. Meanwhile, his walk rate of 6.2% was just below his 6.4% career mark. Nyjer's Batting Average on Balls In Play was well below his career .335 mark, but at .296 it was still just about at league average. Nyjer is 32, and his speed could well decline and begin to drop his BABIP. More strikeouts and a declining BABIP mean a significantly lower batting average. Even when he's hitting, Nyjer doesn't get on base particularly well (.341), and last season his BABIP plummeted to just .302. Throw in a .308 SLG, and you haven't got much hitting. You're not looking for RBI's from your leadoff hitter, but Nyjer's rate of nearly 15 at bats per RBI is somewhat eggregious. If the Giants could sign Nyjer to a minor league contract, I would have interest. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1086&page=1#7443#ixzz2C31GPemF |
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Post by rxmeister on Nov 13, 2012 9:04:33 GMT -5
Nick Swisher has flaws, but he adds power and he gets on base. He has had 100 walks in a season, and over 90 in two others. His walk numbers decreased a bit with the Yankees, but I would attribute that to the combination of NY pressure and that inviting right field wall, which probably made him homer happy. He'll cost big, but he's a huge upgrade offensively over Blanco, and Blanco can be brought in late for defense anyway.
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Post by sharksrog on Nov 13, 2012 12:36:21 GMT -5
Mark -- Nick Swisher has flaws, but he adds power and he gets on base. He has had 100 walks in a season, and over 90 in two others. His walk numbers decreased a bit with the Yankees, but I would attribute that to the combination of NY pressure and that inviting right field wall, which probably made him homer happy. He'll cost big, but he's a huge upgrade offensively over Blanco, and Blanco can be brought in late for defense anyway. Rog -- Good points about Swisher. Melky would be much less of a gamble IMO. Swisher could make a good option should the Giants not be able to re-sign Angel. Gregor's bat fits center field better, and with Nick on his glove side and a competent right fielder in Hunter, Blanco could help overcome some of Nick's defensive deficiencies. To put it another way, Gregor could help defuse and defend definite, definitive defensive deficiencies. Or perhaps we should just stick with the original. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1086&page=1#7453#ixzz2C7npJz4c |
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Post by sharksrog on Nov 13, 2012 13:18:02 GMT -5
Nick Swisher was made a qualifying offer by the Yankees. That tells us two things:
. Since Nick is rejecting the Yankees' $13.1 million offer, he's looking for a LOT of money.
. The team that signs Nick will lose a first round draft choice.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 22, 2012 15:40:53 GMT -5
If I was Swish, SF would be the last place I'd sign. It will take away a good portion of his power, (though he hits homers on the road as well), and covering that huge right field will expose his defensive weaknesses. Besides, why sign Swish when we have Pence. Swish won't be a backup.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 24, 2012 2:43:04 GMT -5
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Post by allenreed on Dec 24, 2012 12:41:02 GMT -5
Allen -- Do we want to try to improve in LF? What about Victorino? Rog -- Money, age and a down season in 2012. Allen- To say nothing of the fact that he's already signed with Boston. |
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