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Post by sharksrog on Dec 2, 2012 9:14:30 GMT -5
This news is a few days old, but the Giants have signed catcher Guillermo Quiroz to a minor league contract. The 30 year old has hit only .202/.538 in 282 major league appearances, but he has a .260/.747 career AAA mark.
Quiroz is a former top 100 prospect, being named by Baseball America as #38 in 2004 and #79 in 2005. Quiroz is a right-handed hitter.
On the other side of the coin, Quiroz appears to be a poor defensive catcher, allowing 10 passed balls, 40 wild pitches and 54 steals in 95 major league games as a catcher.
Quiroz does have 71 career starts at catcher, primarily in 2008 with the Orioles. The catcher played two games with Boston last season.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 2, 2012 18:22:27 GMT -5
He's minor league fodder to replace Eli Whiteside, I'm sure.
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Post by donk on Dec 2, 2012 18:43:17 GMT -5
The Yanks signed Whiteside...and then released him...and the business of baseball goes on and on.....
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 3, 2012 0:13:06 GMT -5
Don -- The Yanks signed Whiteside...and then released him...and the business of baseball goes on and on..... Rog -- I think you missed the post on Mickey Storey and how the Yankees are in the unusual position of being able to waive players or designate them for assignment, since they have the top record in the AL and most teams have rejected claiming players by the time they get to the Yankees. The Yankees are building depth outside their 40-man roster. Eli is part of that movement. The Yankees signed him to a split contract for $625,000 in the majors and $200,000 in the minors. You're right on top of a lot of this stuff, Don, but this time you missed it. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1396&page=1#7788#ixzz2Dxiyyvdo |
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Post by donk on Dec 3, 2012 0:44:37 GMT -5
right on top of what....Whiteside got signed in Nov. and released in Dec.....
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Post by donk on Dec 3, 2012 0:59:48 GMT -5
right on top of what....Whiteside got signed in Nov. and released in Dec.....
dk..my error, he got released on Nov. 28th...not Dec.....
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 3, 2012 13:10:07 GMT -5
Don -- right on top of what....Whiteside got signed in Nov. and released in Dec..... Rog -- You didn't really miss any of the elements; what you missed was what it meant. Go back and read the "Storey" thread. Essentially, the Yankees are taking advantage of their position on the waiver ladder to extend their roster beyond 40, using split contracts (meaning a higher salary while in the majors and a lower salary while in the minors). Smart moves by the Yankees with Eil, Lance Nicks and perhaps Mickey Storey. I stumbled across this because I would like to see the Giants claim Storey. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1396&page=1#7804#ixzz2E0sFHTNw |
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Post by donk on Dec 3, 2012 14:39:23 GMT -5
what the heck have you been drinking? The move by the Yanks was real smart???...they sign Whiteside and then release him...the split contracts are common....and the Toronto team ends up with Whiteside.....I don't know if they got him on waivers or signed him as a free agent.....if he was a free agent, Whiteside will still get the Yanks money...and a new contract from Toronto....if he gets both, then Eli ends up the smartest of them all..... and I really don't care anything about Mickey Storey unless we need another pitcher who ducks every time a ball is hit......Mickey is again a F/A...what are the Yanks up to??? Sign and release...don't understand it unless the players fail the physicals and I don't think that could be right....
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 3, 2012 18:28:07 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 3, 2012 20:22:46 GMT -5
The Yankees lost out on one of the insurance moves today when the Blue Jays claimed Eli. But the Yankees' chances of having their waiver moves work to increase their depth are good, since when they do so, all the other teams have passed on the player once.
The strategy is a very good one, although it's not infallible, as the Blue Jays showed.
But even if all the players the Yankees claim are later claimed by someone else (like the Blue Jays), they are no worse off than before they made the claim for themselves. And if no team reconsiders and claims the player, they have added depth without affecting their 40-man roster.
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Post by donk on Dec 3, 2012 23:52:10 GMT -5
There is nothing smart about waiving a catcher during the off season because the odds are he will refuse a minor league contract and take free agency....with only a $200,000 minor league contract if he goes to the Yanks minor leagues, he would opt to look for a major league backup job with a minimum of $400,000+...
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 4, 2012 12:04:19 GMT -5
Don -- There is nothing smart about waiving a catcher during the off season because the odds are he will refuse a minor league contract and take free agency....with only a $200,000 minor league contract if he goes to the Yanks minor leagues, he would opt to look for a major league backup job with a minimum of $400,000+... Rog -- This is my last comment on the matter, since we're getting this out of proportion, but why would the Yankees sign Whiteside and THEN designate him for assignment? It appears obvious they worked something out between them. Look at it from Elis'perspective. EVERY single team passed on him before the Yankees claimed him. It seems likely his best chance of playing in the majors was with the Yankees -- or at least it was until the Blue Jays' situation or perception changed so that they claimed Eli after initially passing on him. The whole point here is that if the Yankees waive a player whom they have already claimed on waivers, that player is very likely to pass through waivers again, given that every team has already rejected making a waiver claim on Eli. You know how Brian Wilson is "hurt" by the Giants because they "rejected" him? Every single team in baseball -- with the exception of the Yankees -- had rejected Eli already. If the Yankees claim a player and then lose him when they put him on waivers again, they have lost nothing. If they retain him in the minors, he adds depth without taking up a space on the 40-man roster. It's as simple as that. There is NO RISK for the Yankees. The WORST case is that they are right back where they started. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1396&page=1#7819#ixzz2E6SvgiYj |
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Post by donk on Dec 4, 2012 16:37:49 GMT -5
wouldn't it be much easier to sign the guy to a minor league contract than a bogus split contract....you went against your own argument when you said teams had no interest when they waived him the first time...as Toronto did.....teams waive a guy because they think he could be signed after he is waived and they don't have to pay another team to sign him...and they don't have to accept the other teams contract.....just what did I miss.....and Storey is out there on the waiver wire...
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 4, 2012 21:16:07 GMT -5
Don -- wouldn't it be much easier to sign the guy to a minor league contract than a bogus split contract.... Rog -- I would think a player would be far more likely to sign a split contract than simply a minor league pact. Don --you went against your own argument when you said teams had no interest when they waived him the first time...as Toronto did... Rog -- Toronto passed on Eli the first time he was waived. I think they then decided to build catching depth because they will trade away at least one of the three catchers. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1396&page=1#7836#ixzz2E8j30WEg |
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