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Post by rxmeister on Sept 11, 2013 9:37:03 GMT -5
Both gave separate interviews yesterday and touched on a few points.
1. Lincecum and Pence- Sabean wants both, but refuses to discuss contracts with them before free agency. He said he doesn't want to set a market value for their agents to bring to other teams. Pence has said he is willing to take a home town discount to stay, while the player who has been here his whole career, Lincecum isn't. (That part is not according to Sabean, but what I've read elsewhere) The hometown Mariners are scouting Lincecum, by the way, but it's believed their interest will be reduced greatly if their first round pick is not protected.
2. Brandon Belt- figures greatly in next year's plans, but depending on the moves they make, could change positions, according to Evans. We've already heard of their interest in the Cuban first baseman.
3. Buster Posey- Bochy mentioned a possible position switch at one point down the line, but Sabean said that won't be happening any time soon if at all.
4. Pablo Sandoval - sorry Allen, but Sabean said that assuming Pablo shows up in shape next year, the Giants will try to re-sign him to a long term contract. He said third baseman of his caliber simply cannot be found.
5. Yusmeiro Petit- Evans said he is strictly being thought of as a long reliever next year and not a rotation starter.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 11, 2013 9:52:02 GMT -5
Very informative, Mark.
Bochy had spoken about a possible move of Buster from behind the plate, but not in 2014. That ties in with what Brian Sabean said about trying to re-sign Pablo. If the Giants were unsuccessful, they would have the option of replacing Pablo with Buster, and Buster with Hector Sanchez.
The discussion of playing Belt in left field (Bochy says he might ask Brandon to shag a few flies over the winter.) is intriguing in a couple of ways.
First, does it mean Brandon will play there next season? With the talk of leaving Buster behind the plate for at least another season, that doesn't sound likely.
Which means the Giants will still need a left fielder. The idea with Belt as an outfielder is to get him more at bats when the Giants the Giants rest Buster at first base. That would seem to augur for a righty-hitting left fielder.
If the Giants re-sign Pablo and are planning to move Buster from behind the plate in 2015, that could mean Belt would play left field regularly in 2015 and that the left fielder might be around for only one year. Or maybe he'd be a Cody Ross-type (but cheaper) platoon player who could do some platooning in 2014 with Blanco and Belt.
What you pointed out here, Mark, brings up a myriad of possiblities for 2014 and beyond.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 11, 2013 13:35:13 GMT -5
If Pablo shows up in shape, and can actually play most of the games, I'd have no problem with them signing him. If Pablo doesn't show up in shape, or balloons up during the season again, I wouldn't sign him. It doesn't matter how ghood you are if you're not able to play.
Bochy said that Petit had injected himself into the discussion with his one-hitter. If the Giants don't give him a chance, they're not very bright.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 11, 2013 13:38:00 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of Belt in left. Why take someone who's good at his present position and move him to where he's not as good?
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 11, 2013 17:16:02 GMT -5
Allen- I don't like the idea of Belt in left. Why take someone who's good at his present position and move him to where he's not as good.
Boagie- I don't like the idea either, but I think the thought is to get Sanchez into the lineup and not have to go acquire a left fielder during the off-season. I think it downgrades the defense too drastically. It also has questionable timing based on Belt finally appearing to lock it in, moving him now is not smart.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 11, 2013 20:06:18 GMT -5
Is there some hope that Sanchez is going to provide the needed power that we are lacking? I haven't seen that.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 11, 2013 22:47:07 GMT -5
I don't think it had to do with getting Sanchez into the lineup, I thought it had to do with them thinking that they needed to add another big bat and if it happened to be a first baseman they might have to move Belt to LF. I know they're interested in that Cuban first baseman, Abreu. If they were doing it to get Sanchez more at bats they would say it. After all, he's under contract, it's not tampering. If Sanchez gets more at bats it will only be because they want to get Posey more rest, it's not because they want to see more of Sanchez. He's certainly not the solution to this team's offensive problems.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 12, 2013 0:05:25 GMT -5
Actually, I think Hector is one of the better offensive backup catchers in baseball. But he's not good enough to start for us as long as Posey's here. Maybe a trade?
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 12, 2013 9:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 12, 2013 9:25:55 GMT -5
Boagie- I don't like the idea either, but I think the thought is to get Sanchez into the lineup and not have to go acquire a left fielder during the off-season. I think it downgrades the defense too drastically. It also has questionable timing based on Belt finally appearing to lock it in, moving him now is not smart. Rog -- The Giants apparently agree with you. They have no thoughts of moving Hector behind the plate on a regular basis until at least 2015. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2002&page=1#ixzz2egkiFCaH |
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 12, 2013 9:28:12 GMT -5
Even accepting that premise, Allen, about Hector being one of the better offensive backups in baseball, I can't see how it solves our problems. When Hector plays, it usually means either Posey or Belt are sitting, and that weakens us offensively. Under the other scenario, which is moving Posey to first, Belt to LF and using Sanchez as your starting catcher, the offensive upgrade from Hector to Blanco will be more than offset by weakening you defensively at three different positions. The Giants need to upgrade offensively in LF, and it's pretty obvious the help is going to have to come from outside the organization, via trade or free agency.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 12, 2013 11:30:48 GMT -5
Rog -- The Giants apparently agree with you. They have no thoughts of moving Hector behind the plate on a regular basis until at least 2015.
Boagie- Everyone except Don probably agrees that the defense would take a pretty significant hit. However, the anti-Sanchez fans do need to realize he's been much better of late. If he could keep this up for an entire season he would be a perfectly good 7th place hitter. If Sanchez could play LF, giving him a shot there next season would be a no brainer.
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Post by allenreed on Sept 12, 2013 13:19:44 GMT -5
Posey can't play every day. No catcher can. Anytime you play a backup. you weaken the team. Sanchez replacing Posey would be no exception, but occasionally it has to be done.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 13, 2013 9:22:53 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 11:33:41 GMT -5
Boagie -- However, the anti-Sanchez fans do need to realize he's been much better of late.
Rog -- Hector has been quite good of late.
---boly says---
Hector, as of late, has flat out impressed me, both with the bat, and behind the plate.
IMHO, he's a much better pitch blocker than Posey, and not by a little.
Hector blocks the ball fluidly, and more often, employes better technique.
He'll never hit like Buster, but he'll be more than adequate back there.
Whiteside and Stewart may have thrown a little better, but Hector's arm doesn't stink, and he can hit better than both of them combined.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Sept 13, 2013 12:59:21 GMT -5
Stewart has went on to be a starting catcher for the Yankees this year. Sanchez could probably start for alot of teams.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 13, 2013 19:45:29 GMT -5
Stewart has went on to be a starting catcher for the Yankees this year. Sanchez could probably start for alot of teams.
===boly says----
First, Allen, let me be an English teacher, then you can yell at me...
"Has WENT on?"
Past particple: "Gone on...."
Okay. I know. My OCD is showing.
Sorry.
Anyway, I agree with you. I think Sanchez could start for a number of teams and be BETTER than the guy they have!
Start with the Dodgers.
I'm NOT impressed with AJ Ellis. Not at all.
Hector blocks better, throws better, hits better.
boly
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 14, 2013 7:12:30 GMT -5
Stewart is starting for the Yankees, but he's terrible. Just because a player is starting, doesn't mean he's really a starter. See if he's the Yankees starting catcher next year. He's hitting .213 with an OPS of .563.
By the way Hank Schulman is reporting that the Giants are now talking new contract with Hunter Pence. Considering Sabean's comments the other day, I'm guessing the agent initiated this, based on Pence being as hot as he's been all year, Timmy said the Giants are not talking to him at this point..
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Post by allenreed on Sept 14, 2013 11:07:13 GMT -5
Stewart is starting for the Yankees, but he's terrible. Just because a player is starting, doesn't mean he's really a starter.
Allen- Actually, that's exactly what it means. Now, whether he's a quality starter, that's another story.
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 12:28:20 GMT -5
Boly -- IMHO, he's a much better pitch blocker than Posey, and not by a little. Rog -- Let's get this one straight. Hector may have better blocking FORM than Buster, but he's not a better ball blocker. Buster has one passed ball per 31 innings. Hector has had them more than twice as often, with one every 14 frames. I'm not sure either one of them has great form, but since I trust Boly's mechanical judgment, I'll say Hector does have the better form. But Buster's better hands make him the better ball blocker. Or at least something does. You could look it up. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2002&page=1#14924#ixzz2ez0zxOPw |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 12:33:12 GMT -5
Boly -- First, Allen, let me be an English teacher, then you can yell at me... "Has WENT on?" Past particple: "Gone on...." Okay. I know. My OCD is showing. Rog -- Heck, many of the grammar mistakes here does make me cringe, but I try not to get hung up on it. My girlfriend has some of the worst grammar I know of, but I still love her. But, yeah, if I was to get upset every time a grammar mistake was made, I wouldn't have made one in each of these three sentences. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2002&page=1#ixzz2ez2Ty69h |
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Post by sharksrog on Sept 15, 2013 12:35:37 GMT -5
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