Hitting and hitters

[allenreed]

]Allen, we elect our officials to represent us , not themselves. As much as you hate negotiating with terrorists, the sentiment in our country is overwhelmingly against another war.

Allen- Whether I hate it or not doesn't matter. The fact is that it's an exercise in futility. These people cannot be trusted. It is a fundamental tenet of their religion to kill all people who are not Muslims. That's not going to be negotiated away.
Whether we want another war or not is irrelevant. We're going to have one. The alternative is to lay down and be overrun.


One of the reasons I voted for Obama was to avoid another costly war, and based on Republican tough talk before the election, we might be in two of them right now, maybe three.

Allen- More people in our military have been killed under Obama then under Bush. It's a matter of time, Mark. You can either take care of the problem now, or let it grow until it's beyond our control. Obama just wants to do what he does with every problem. Kick the can down the road, let the problem build until it's uncontrollable, and hit the links.

While the Republican side is obsessed with Syria, Benghazi, North Korea, Iran, and Muslims, the Democratic side is obsessed with getting health care to millions of Americans who don't have it. While you hate Obamacare (although it was probably fine when you called it Romneycare in Massachusetts) you should at least appreciate how the President is focused on putting things right in this country, and not other country's problems.

Allen- Mark, you cannot be this naive. You simply can't. Obamacare is a pox on all our houses. It does nothing but weaken America, kills jobs, kills businesses. Just like almost everything Obama has done. It's an absolute failure. Nobody wants it. Even the unions, even the young people, even the poor. It's full of taxes (21 of them) and lies. (No, you can't keep your own doctor if you like, no your premiums won't go down, just the opposite). Notice that the people who voted it in sure don't want it. Notice that Barack is handing waivers out to his cronies. The people that wrote it call it a train wreck. Doctors are leaving the profession in droves.
Not only that, but they're bringing in the hopelessly corrupt IRS to implement it, and hiring people with no background check to handle your private information when you sign up. If you're pointing to Obamacare to make a case for Barack, you have a very weak case for a very weak president.

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While the Republican side is obsessed with Syria, Benghazi, North Korea, Iran, and Muslims, the Democratic side is obsessed with getting health care to millions of Americans who don't have it.

Allen- Translation: While Republicans are wanting to take care of matters that affect our national security, Dems are worried about passing possibly the worse piece of legislation ever written, killing American businesses, kiliing jobs, eliminating the 40 hour work week, and in genral weakening our country militarily, economically, and morally. Obamacare will take healthcare away from more people than it will provide for.
The people it was supposed to provide for don't want it.

While you hate Obamacare (although it was probably fine when you called it Romneycare in Massachusetts) you should at least appreciate how the President is focused on putting things right in this country, and not other country's problems.

Allen- Mark, you simply cannot be so stupid as to consider Islamic Terrorism "other country's problems". I had to reread this a few times to make sure you actually said it.
Why would I appreciate having my healthcare altered to make it more expensive and poorer in quality? Why would I appreciate my wife's work (John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek) laying off people because of Obamacare? Just like the Cleveland Clinic who Obama touted as an example of what healthcare should be. Now they're laying off hundreds due to Obamacare.

[dk]

don't you ever give up lying about Obama...we know you hate the guy because of the color of his skin...let it go at that and keep out of the lies.....Obamacare hasn't really started and you are blaming him for things that have been happening every year for ever...that is why they came up with something new(?)....health care is too expensive and has been getting more expensive every year...too many people do not have insurance and the rest of us have to pay for their care...insurance rates under the new act will come down....

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If the "something new" is just more of the same only moreso why do it? Under Obamacare healthcare will become even more expensive and at a faster rate. People will lose their healthcare due to the simple fact that they will no longer be able to afford it, or their employers will stop providing it, forcing them to the inferior (yet more expensive) care provided by the exchanges, which will be far more expensive than what they have now. Also, their current doctor may not participate in the exchange they're forced into, so they may have to change doctors, travel farther (especially if they need specialized care). Of course Obama when trying to sell this ruse, said none of this would happen. Of course, like most of what he says, that was a lie.
Poor people don't want Obamacare because it will put them on Medicaid. Thing is, because the reimbursement rate on Medicaid is so poor under Obamacare, doctors won't take it because they will have to see too many patients to make their nut and thus won't be able to provide decent care. This will force poor people to travel farther for care, and inferior care at that. Many of them don't have the means to travel. They'd rather stay with what they have, where they can just walk into any ER and recieve free care.
Two more things. How will insurance rates come down? A study shows that in NC they will increase about 300%. Secondly, who else would you blame for this mess besides Obama? It's his baby, hence the name Obamacare. He did illegal things to get this thing passed, when he (and everyone who voted for it) had no idea what was in it. The people who wrote it said it will be a train wreck. Harry Reid came out of his coma long enough to say it will be a train wreck.

[sharksrog]

Rog -- And back to the topic. What WAS it again, anyway?

[rxmeister]

The problem with Republicans is that their "plan" for our country consists of simply saying no to Obama. They have no solutions of their own, other than the same things that didn't work before, which is cutting taxes to billionaires, and hoping they'll use the extra money to do something other than further line our pockets. And oh yeah, starting needless wars, because we all know if we don't, the Iranian army will someday be marching down the streets of Washington DC. If Republicans really really really thought Obama's ideas were so terrible, why not stand back and let them all go into effect? The country would have surely been crippled and Obama would have been a one term president. But by fighting him on every initiative he seeks to take, they look petty and small and guarantee themselves all the blame for what's going on today in the country. They have virtually guaranteed eight years of Hillary, followed by eight years of Gavin Newsome, followed by eight years of Corey Booker! Allen may never again see a Republican president! And notice how Allen called me "stupid" for not acknowledging Muslims as a threat to us? Typical conservative name calling!

[sharksrog]

Rog -- Oh, the topic was hitting and hitters. It seems to be taking quite a hit.

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The problem with Republicans is that their "plan" for our country consists of simply saying no to Obama.

Allen- Since almost everything Obama does has the goal of weakening our country, this sounds like a good plan.

They have no solutions of their own, other than the same things that didn't work before, which is cutting taxes to billionaires, and hoping they'll use the extra money to do something other than further line our pockets.

Allen- If billionaires want to line our pockets, I'm all for it. Thing is, billionaires are the ones who provide jobs, and produce goods and services. Giving their money to the govt., who are corrupt, inefficient, and incompetent makes little sense.
Overtaxing billionaires merely causes them to move their businesses (and the accompanying jobs) to other countries.

And oh yeah, starting needless wars, because we all know if we don't, the Iranian army will someday be marching down the streets of Washington DC.

Allen- Or they could just nuke it.

If Republicans really really really thought Obama's ideas were so terrible, why not stand back and let them all go into effect?

Allen- Because they were elected to do right by their constituents, not teach Obama a lesson. Standing back and letting Obamacare fail, (which it surely will, and in fact already is) will cost many Americans many dollars, and do much damage to their lives, take away their jobs, and kill their businesses.

The country would have surely been crippled and Obama would have been a one term president. But by fighting him on every initiative he seeks to take, they look petty and small and guarantee themselves all the blame for what's going on today in the country.

Allen- Perhaps they're more concerned with fixing the problem than who gets the blame. I've asked Don and have never got an answer, so I'll ask you. What has Obama done that has benefitted the country in any way?


They have virtually guaranteed eight years of Hillary, followed by eight years of Gavin Newsome, followed by eight years of Corey Booker! Allen may never again see a Republican president!

Allen- As a registered Democrat, why would I want a Republican President? I'm just after one who doesn't make decisions that will harm our country and economically transform us into another Greece. One that has some clue about foreign policy, hires able advisors rather than incompetent sycophants, and isn't most interested in furthering the cause of our enemies.
After Benghazi, Hillary should be in jail. She lied to Congress, lied to the American people, and lied to the faces of the families of the ones killed there. Of course, our President did the same.

And notice how Allen called me "stupid" for not acknowledging Muslims as a threat to us? Typical conservative name calling!

Allen- Actually, I said you couldn't be that stupid. Maybe I was wrong. You can't even quote correctly.
Ask the people who were in the WTC in 93 or 2001, the people in Boston, or the people at Fort Hood whether or not Islamic Terrorism is "another country's problem".

[rxmeister]

Allen, once again your problem is that you blame the actions of a few crazies on an entire religion. Was Timothy McVeigh an Islamic extremist? The nut who killed the kids in Newtown? The idiot who shot up a movie theater? Blaming the Muslim religion for these cowardly acts is like blaming all white people for the last three acts I mentioned. You can also make the case that Boston and Fort Hood happened not because we have failed in stopping terrorists, but because we continue to wage wars against countries we should leave the hell alone. Every time we send forces to other countries and start killing people, it recruits thousands to Islamic militant groups. Let me ask you something, Allen. If you lived in Iraq, and walked into a town and saw hundreds of dead women and children, what would be your opinion of the United States? Liberator? And guess what, Allen? I was a registered Republican from the time I first voted until this past year, so saying your a registered Democrat means nothing. You certainly don't vote Democratic anymore that I vote Republican.

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Is there an organization of white people comparable to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah? Is it a tenet of any white religion to kill all people that are not of that religion? This amounts to more than "a few crazies".
What country did we provoke that caused 9/11, or Boston, or Fort Hood? Our mistake was allowing these people in the country in the first place. This idiot in Ft. Hood, we knew about him. Knew what he was up to, but no one stopped him because they didn't want to upset Muslims. The guys in Boston were allowed into this country to get an American education.
What was going on in Iraq before America got there? What has gone on since we left? Uh, hundreds of dead women and children. Actually, make it thousands, or more accurately tens of thousands.. My opinion of the US would be that they rid my country of a horrible dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of innocents, and that they gave us a chance at a better life. When they left, Iran sponsored Al Qaeda took over, and now they're back where they started.
We've failed in stopping terrorists because we keep trying to negotiate with them. The Ft. Hood guy? He should of been swinging at the end of a rope later that day. Instead, we kept paying him, spent big money trying him, and are still feeding him. Hell, he wanted to die. Accomodate him. Same with the Boston guy. Why was he ever taken alive? Same in Kenya. Those guys in the mall. Why take any of them alive? It's like termites trying to destroy your home. You don't negotiate with the termites. You don't feed them. You destroy them.
Actually, my allegiances don't go much along party lines. With Obama, I simply see what is there. A weak President, a man of no credibility or integrity who will tell anybody anything to get what he wants. He's corrupt, ineffective, and incompetent, and surrounds himself with like-thinking incompetents who are as corrupt as he is. He has no morals and no dignity. Look at him now, out there like a carnival barker trying to drum up support for this ridiculous mess that is Obamacare. Look at what he did to get it through in the first place. Look at his actions during and following Benghazi. The 2012 campaign. The IRS scandal. Fast and Furious. Beyond that, he's a weak man, incapable of providing needed leadership, unable to work with others, and always blaming others for his failure to live up to his own responsibilities.
It's been said that you judge a man by the company he keeps. Let's look at some examples. Harry Reid. Nancy Pelosi. Eric Holder. Vann Jones. Rev. Wright. Rahm Emanuel. Timothey Geithner. David Axelrod. Stephanie Cutter. Susan Rice. Hillary Clinton. A veritable culture of corruption. If Obama was a Republican, I would feel the same way about him that I do now.

[allenreed]

Now we find out that Obama wants to negotiate with Iran. He won't negotiate with Republicans, but he will negotiate with a country that sponsors terrorism and in fact played a big role in financing 9/11. Does he really think that Iran has any intention of curtailing their march towards nuclear weapons? Is he that much of a rube? Or is he simply intent on selling us out to the terrorists? Neither option is very appealing.

[rxmeister]

Getting Syria and Iran to peacefully negotiate is a coup. Maybe the whole world wants peace, Allen, and not to bomb each other into oblivion. Only the worst kind of President would not sit down at the table with them and hear what they have to say. You're a very paranoid person, Allen. Do you do your posting from a bomb shelter in your basement? And are you kidding about white people not having their own terrorism groups? You've never heard of Aryan groups that want to kill Jews and blacks?

[allenreed]

Yes. because both countries are eminently trustworthy. We know all about Asaad, do some research on Rouhani. These guys aren't leading their son's Boy Scout troops. Obama caved on Syria, handing the keys to Putin, and has no guarantees that Asaad will give up his weapons, and no one to hold him accountable. His "red line" talk was meaningless. The babbling of a feckless fool. He was played and played badly. I hope he lets someone else do the negotiating with Iran. But who? This administration is like a car full of clowns at the circus.
Rouhani and Iran see a rube ripe for the picking. Their sole purpose is to get Obama to drop the sanctions against Iran, and to buy more time so they can complete work on devloping nukes. Meanwhile, we leave Israel twisting in the wind. Our President negotiating with Muslim terrorists and leaving our Jewish allies high and dry. Imagine that.
Wonder how long it will be before we start sending aid to Iran and Asaad, like we do with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and the terrorists running Pakistan. If you really think countries like Iran and Syria want peace, you're as naive as our President seems to be. You'd think he (or at least his advisers) would be smarter than this. Maybe if he hired people who knew what they were doing instead of incompetent yes men (and women). Going by his actions, you have to question Obama's loyalty to the US and wonder if he isn't just selling us out to the terrorists. Or maybe he's just that stupid.
Aryan groups? Haven't heard much about them outside of prison. They must keep a low profile. Sure haven't heard of them flying any planes into buildings. Haven't heard of any gunning down their fellow soldiers, or setting bombs off in crowded streets.

[dk]

Sept 27, 2013 13:35:17 GMT -5 allenreed said:

Is there an organization of white people comparable to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah? Is it a tenet of any white religion to kill all people that are not of that religion? This amounts to more than "a few crazies

dk Did you ever hear of the Nazi Party of Germany??? Did you ever hear of the Crusades??? Did you ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition??? Did you ever hear of the death of many Indians during the conquest of the Americas as the new comers tried to force them to convert?? Did you ever hear of the constant war between the Catholics in Ireland and the Protestants of England? Did you ever hear of the pogroms in Russia??? I can't begin to list all the other wars between the Catholics and Protestants in Europe....

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I said is there Don, not was there.

[sharksrog]

Hunter Pence for President!

[dk]

Sept 28, 2013 10:41:35 GMT -5 allenreed said:

Yes. because both countries are eminently trustworthy. We know all about Asaad, do some research on Rouhani. These guys aren't leading their son's Boy Scout troops. Obama caved on Syria, handing the keys to Putin, and has no guarantees that Asaad will give up his weapons, and no one to hold him accountable. His "red line" talk was meaningless. The babbling of a feckless fool. He was played and played badly. I hope he lets someone else do the negotiating with Iran. But who? This administration is like a car full of clowns at the circus.
Rouhani and Iran see a rube ripe for the picking. Their sole purpose is to get Obama to drop the sanctions against Iran, and to buy more time so they can complete work on devloping nukes. Meanwhile, we leave Israel twisting in the wind. Our President negotiating with Muslim terrorists and leaving our Jewish allies high and dry. Imagine that.
Wonder how long it will be before we start sending aid to Iran and Asaad, like we do with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and the terrorists running Pakistan. If you really think countries like Iran and Syria want peace, you're as naive as our President seems to be. You'd think he (or at least his advisers) would be smarter than this. Maybe if he hired people who knew what they were doing instead of incompetent yes men (and women). Going by his actions, you have to question Obama's loyalty to the US and wonder if he isn't just selling us out to the terrorists. Or maybe he's just that stupid.
Aryan groups? Haven't heard much about them outside of prison. They must keep a low profile. Sure haven't heard of them flying any planes into buildings. Haven't heard of any gunning down their fellow soldiers, or setting bombs off in crowded streets.

dk why do you keep spreading the lie abut sending aid to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt....the aid has always s gone to the Egyptian Government and it is mostly military aid...the US and the Egyptian military have had a close relationship. The military has kicked the Muslim Brotherhood out of the government and have been trying to keep them under control. Egypt was a democracy and those guys were elected....We have never waged war in Iran and new backed the Dictator who the people hated....if Nixon could open the door to China, why shouldn't Obama negotiate with Iran??? I haven't heard Israel complain, why are you?

[sharksrog]

I was a bit surprised to see that nary a player named Isreal has ever played in the majors. There have, however, been many players with biblical names, the most famous of whom would be Hank Aaron, I think.

The player with the most famous name would seem to be the many players named Jesus. Anybody here up to posting an All-Star team of biblically named players?

Baseball was of course cited in the Bible, with the parting of the Red's Sea. In 1909, there was a player nicknamed Red whose first name was actually Sea-bron. At one time the Reds' top pitchers was Tom Sea-ver.

I realize this stuff is pretty bad, but how much worse can it be than a discussion of politics on a baseball board?

[rxmeister]

You're right, Rog. This discussion has gone on far too long. It's not like it's productive either. Nobody is changing their minds. Let's now go over to some political board and talk about Hector Sanchez to even this out!

[allenreed]

Don, we have sent aid to Egypt since the Muslim Brotherhood took power, #1.3 billion, as well as planes and other armaments.
With the shape our economy is in, we shouldn't be sending aid to anyone, let alone Muslim terrorists. heck, give the money to Detroit before you give it to another country.
If we're going to wait for people to change their minds Mark, we may as well stop talking altogether. Certainly, our talks haven't been any less productive than those of Congress or our President.

[sharksrog]

Allen -- the Muslim Brotherhood took power

Rog -- So THAT'S what happened to the Giants' bats.

[dk]

Sept 29, 2013 3:25:51 GMT -5 sharksrog said:

I was a bit surprised to see that nary a player named Isreal has ever played in the majors. There have, however, been many players with biblical names, the most famous of whom would be Hank Aaron, I think.

The player with the most famous name would seem to be the many players named Jesus. Anybody here up to posting an All-Star team of biblically named players?

Baseball was of course cited in the Bible, with the parting of the Red's Sea. In 1909, there was a player nicknamed Red whose first name was actually Sea-bron. At one time the Reds' top pitchers was Tom Sea-ver.

I realize this stuff is pretty bad, but how much worse can it be than a discussion of politics on a baseball board

dk...Wally (holly) Moses was a very good outfielder...and 2 other Moses followed after him...

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The Mets once had a top pitcher by the same name.