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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 3, 2013 9:55:29 GMT -5
I've seen more of Kieschnick's at bats now, so I can make a slightly... SLIGHTLY more detailed analysis.
1-Shows quicker hands vs LHP than RHP
2-Decent eye
3-Not impressed with the fact that not even once have we seen him drive a ball... even a foul ball, anywhere.
4-Limited range in the outfield, which, in our park, unless you hit a lot...which is not a good thing.
Still a limited sample, and I still want to see a LOT, LOT more before solidifying my position on him.
With the lefty, Price, going tonight, I'm guessing we'll see Flail Away Francouer again.
Sigh...
Please, bring up Peguero, or Perez and let's end this "French Connection."
boly
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Post by dk on Aug 3, 2013 13:28:28 GMT -5
I've seen more of Kieschnick's at bats now, so I can make a slightly... SLIGHTLY more detailed analysis. 1-Shows quicker hands vs LHP than RHP 2-Decent eye 3-Not impressed with the fact that not even once have we seen him drive a ball... even a foul ball, anywhere. 4-Limited range in the outfield, which, in our park, unless you hit a lot...which is not a good thing. dk..I'm not sure, but someone said he played RF in the minors, which means he would have to get used t the ball cutting differently in LF...He still looks nervous at bat...trying to meet the ball not swing for power.....as I said before, Crawford is swinging uch quicker, his hands must be feeling better...but he will probably sit again tonight....I don't like SS 's platooning, unless they are in the army.... |
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 3, 2013 14:33:57 GMT -5
Kieschnick was a power hitter in the minors, so I have no doubt that if he continues to play regularly you're going to see him drive pitches. I'm not sure he has what it takes to be a successful major leaguer after a few games, but his track record shows plenty of power.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 4, 2013 19:05:46 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 4, 2013 19:09:12 GMT -5
Boly -- let's end this "French Connection."
Rog -- Let's continue to put down Giants' players. As Belt and Franceour have shown, it can lead to 3-hit games.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 4, 2013 19:42:28 GMT -5
Center fielder Gary Brown continues to struggle at Fresno, hitting just .237. Despite three hits Friday, he's gone just 7 for 42 in his last 10 games, with one walk and nine strikeouts.
Second baseman Joe Panik is back up to .261 (from a low of .244 IIRC), but he's hitting with no power.
Catcher Andrew Susac is hitting .256/.362/.458/.820.
I think many would rank those three guys as the Giants' top 3 position prospects (perhaps in reverse order).
The Giants' pitching prospects seem to be WAY ahead of their hitters (as has usually been the case with the organization).
The Giants got through the trading deadline with all their prospects intact, although they didn't add any either. Should the Giants lose Lincecum or Pence this winter, they will almost certainly receive an extra draft pick.
Speaking of Lincecum, with the exception of his 3.2 inning, 8 run disaster in his first start after his no-hitter, he's been VERY good over his last 11 starts, despite pitching in less than great luck.
If we take away that one start which seems an outlier, Tim's ERA has been 2.66 during that period. In 64.1 innings he has a 2.62 ERA, allowing 52 hits and 20 walks while striking out 72. Even if we include the 8-run aberration, his ERA over his last 11 starts is just 3.38.
We also saw how well he pitched in his first 13 starts after last year's All-Star game (3.07 ERA), so I guess it would be premature to say he's out of the woods, but doesn't it seem that he's been pitching better than at any time since 2007?
And he's been outpitching the pitchers we were talking about "replacing" him about the time his good run started.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 5, 2013 11:21:45 GMT -5
Boly -- let's end this "French Connection." Rog -- Let's continue to put down Giants' players. As Belt and Franceour have shown, it can lead to 3-hit games. ---boly says--- It's true! Every time I praise a player... he goes into a slump. I rag on one... they get hot.  All that aside, I see NOTHING from Francouer that tells me we should keep him. Nothing. boly |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 5, 2013 14:03:13 GMT -5
I don't know why it took me so long to recognize the irony of Rogy the K-K-K-K-K, but it finally hit me. The strikeout has been Kieschnick's enemy. He struck out once every 3.8 at bats in the minors, and he's fanned 6 times in his first 14 at bats as a Giant.
I know there's a sentiment here for just giving guys an elongated shot to see what they can do, but does anyone here really think Kieschnick will succeed? I see Roger's ceiling as being a 4th or 5th outfielder, with a likely role as a Four A player -- and we're talking about a fairly athletic guy with a bit of pop.
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Post by dk on Aug 5, 2013 14:26:24 GMT -5
I don't know why it took me so long to recognize the irony of Rogy the K-K-K-K-K, but it finally hit me. The strikeout has been Kieschnick's enemy. He struck out once every 3.8 at bats in the minors, and he's fanned 6 times in his first 14 at bats as a Giant. I know there's a sentiment here for just giving guys an elongated shot to see what they can do, but does anyone here really think Kieschnick will succeed? I see Roger's ceiling as being a 4th or 5th outfielder, with a likely role as a Four A player -- and we're talking about a fairly athletic guy with a bit of pop dk..and you're the guy ready to vote Adam Dunn into the HOF.  |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 5, 2013 14:46:04 GMT -5
I don't know why it took me so long to recognize the irony of Rogy the K-K-K-K-K, but it finally hit me. The strikeout has been Kieschnick's enemy. He struck out once every 3.8 at bats in the minors, and he's fanned 6 times in his first 14 at bats as a Giant.
---boly says---
Rog: nonononononononononono!
That's not why I call him Rogy the K.
The "K" is for his last name. Takes too long to spell.
That's all.
boly
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 5, 2013 15:19:05 GMT -5
Rog -- know there's a sentiment here for just giving guys an elongated shot to see what they can do, but does anyone here really think Kieschnick will succeed? I see Roger's ceiling as being a 4th or 5th outfielder, with a likely role as a Four A player -- and we're talking about a fairly athletic guy with a bit of pop dk..and you're the guy ready to vote Adam Dunn into the HOF. Rog -- I'm not ready to vote him into the Hall of Fame and just today was thinking that he could become the first non-steroid (as far as we know), 500-homer player not to make the Hall. (I believe Dave Kingman was the first 400 homer guy not to make it.) If Adam gets to 600 homers, I still don't think he would get in, given that his career batting average is just .239 and falling, but it would be tough to keep out a 600-homer guy. The competition is increasing for the Hall, which would hurt him, but I wonder if the Veterans' Committee -- which doesn't have very high standards -- would pick him if he gets to 600. Adam had that historically awful 2011 season, and he hasn't been the same since, but he's on pace this season for his 9th season out of 10 with 38 homers or more. If that number were an even 40 or higher, it would be more sexy and augur further on his behalf. Dunn is a weird case. He's one of the most consistent high home run hitters in baseball history. I would probably consider Hank Aaron to be the most consistent ever, and Hank never had more than 6 seasons out of 10 with 38 or more homers. Babe Ruth did have 9 out of 10 seasons with 41 or more homers, so I guess he was probably the most consistent. Willie Mays never had 38 or more homers more than 5 times in 10 seasons. Barry Bonds had 7 out of 10. Alex Rodriguez had 8 out of 10. Ken Griffey had 7 out of 10. Jim Thome had 6 out of 10. Sammy Sosa had 7 out of 10. So Dunn has a shot at becoming the only hitter aside from Babe Ruth to hit 38 or more homers in 9 out of 10 seasons. If Dunn gets to 700 homers, I would think despite all the other factors, he would make the Hall (unless he is shown to have used steroids). He still has 268 to go though, and seems very unlikely to reach that plateau (achieved by only 3 others) unless he gets his average back up. Dunn's .224 so far this season is the HIGHEST he's hit in the past three seasons. He did have two of his four highest average seasons the two years before that. I would guess that Adam has two or three more seasons as an everyday player and that he will reach 500 homers but not 600. So it's unlikely that Dunn will make the Hall, but not impossible. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1943&page=1#13524#ixzz2b7tyhNI8 |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 5, 2013 15:21:46 GMT -5
Rog -- I don't know why it took me so long to recognize the irony of Rogy the K-K-K-K-K, but it finally hit me. The strikeout has been Kieschnick's enemy. He struck out once every 3.8 at bats in the minors, and he's fanned 6 times in his first 14 at bats as a Giant. ---boly says--- Rog: nonononononononononono! That's not why I call him Rogy the K. The "K" is for his last name. Takes too long to spell. That's all. Rog -- I didn't make myself clear. I didn't think you used the "K" for strikeout purposes. I doubt you knew how often Roger had fanned in his minor league career. Though unintended, "Roger the K" is laden with irony. I don't know why it took me so long to recognize it. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1943&page=1#ixzz2b7zwPexD |
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