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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 27, 2013 15:40:32 GMT -5
2 Fridays in a row we've had to choke down the rising vomit, and listen to the nonsense meanderings of Mark Grant.
Between him, Mark Grace, and Matt Williams, I can't decide who has the least to say, or who has the most boring delivery with which he says it.
Rex Hudler used to have THE worst vocal delivery I'd ever heard, but after two games with Makr Grant, I've decided he's a close second.
If I had my choice of having a tooth filled, or listening to him... I think I'd pick the tooth!
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Post by allenreed on Apr 28, 2013 11:39:33 GMT -5
Isn't Williams the third base coach for the DBacks? When does he do color? I agree with you about Grace, he's just awful. The whole crew for the Rockies is terrible, and the Cardinals, surprisingly, are not much better. Outside of Ken Harrelson (who I admit is an acquired taste), the best for me are the Yankees crew (which is everchanging, Paul O'Neill is good) Jerry Remy for the Red Sox and Brenly for the DBacks. Grant has been with the Pads for a long time, you'd think he'd be better by now. I wish we got Uecker on the Brewers games, but I guess he only does radio.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 28, 2013 12:07:32 GMT -5
Isn't Williams the third base coach for the DBacks? When does he do color?
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He is. But about 4 or 5 years back... maybe a little longer, he and Grace alternated.
I had the DISpleasure of listening to him more than once.
Gawd!!!!!
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 30, 2013 9:11:04 GMT -5
Mark was quite a pitching prospect for the Giants, but someone once said he had a million dollar arm and a five cent brain.
Mark was the 10th overall pick in the 1981 draft, but he wound up with a 4.31 ERA in 639 innings.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 30, 2013 10:10:39 GMT -5
Isn't Williams the third base coach for the DBacks? When does he do color?
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He is. But about 4 or 5 years back... maybe a little longer, he and Grace alternated.
I had the DISpleasure of listening to him more than once.
Gawd!!!!!
boly
Boagie- Matt Williams was much like JT. Not much to say, and pretty boring when he did say something. The only time JT was interesting is when he was talking about how to field first base...which explains why he's now an instructor. The lack of personality also explains why Matt is now a 3rd base coach.
Mark Grace didn't add much to a broadcast as far as insight into the game, but I did find him to be rather humorous. Still not a good color guy, but I'd take him over JT and Matt.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 30, 2013 11:26:34 GMT -5
Outside of Ken Harrelson (who I admit is an acquired taste), the best for me are the Yankees crew (which is everchanging, Paul O'Neill is good) Jerry Remy for the Red Sox and Brenly for the DBacks.
Boagie- Brenly has gone stale, I used to like him, but his various broadcasting jobs have turned into a typical mainstream color guy. I havent heard much from FP Santangelo but he was really good while working with CSN and KNBR.
We've had this conversation before, but I just can't stomach Harrelson. When the other team does something exciting you just hear dissapointment in his voice. He's a good fan, but not a very good announcer imo. You have to announce the game. Kuiper is a Giants fan, but if the opposing team hit's a walkoff, there's some excitement in his voice, not just disgust.
It brings me back to the call of the last out of the 7th game of the NLCS last year. I don't know what his name is, but his call of the last out was disrespectful to the Giants AND the Cardinals. It was all disgust for the final out, in what was a well played, exciting series. All he said was something to the effect of..."And it's a popup, scutaro's under it, and the Giants win, we'll be back after this" and then they broke to commercial.
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Post by allenreed on Apr 30, 2013 12:31:28 GMT -5
We've had this conversation before, but I just can't stomach Harrelson. When the other team does something exciting you just hear dissapointment in his voice. He's a good fan, but not a very good announcer imo. You have to announce the game. Kuiper is a Giants fan, but if the opposing team hit's a walkoff, there's some excitement in his voice, not just disgust.
Allen- He works in a different market with different tastes. Remember Harry Caray? He would just openly criticize players on the air, and was quite a homer too. That's what they like back there. They like their announcer to be a fan. Same with Uecker. You'd never hear a west coast guy imploring the ball to "Get up! Getup! Get out of here!"
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 30, 2013 13:03:08 GMT -5
Regarding Harrelson, I remember being back in the Chicago area in 1999 and hearing him describe in what seemed to be an accurate manner the things that were limiting Frank Thomas' power at the plate. Frank had only 15 homers that summer, but bounced back with 43 in 2000. Regarding Caray, my favorite line of his was on his regular sports show, which he concluded with, Remember, you don't have to be good in sports to be a good one." I also liked Harry's "He ... struck him out." Also, "It could be. It might be. It IS a home run." And, of course, I love Jon Miller's impression of Harry. We also had Russ Hodges, who made two of the most famous baseball calls with the Shot Heard 'Round the World and "in what most have seemed to be an optical illusion to a lot of people," the Willie Mays' 1954 World Series catch. We are blessed here with Miller, Kruk, Kuip and the newcomer, Dave Flemming. I personally loved Lon Simmons, greatly enjoyed Hank Greenwald, and am old enough to remember Al Michaels as a Giants announcer. With regard to Giants announcers with a national presence, there were Lindsey Nelson and Tim McCarver. Ted Robinson has become something of a national presence. Few liked Ron Fairly when he announced the Giants, but I learned a lot of baseball from him. (That was before I became a stats geek.) And my favorite moment in Giants broadcast history came back in the late 80's when on the Giants telecast, the announcer (Gary Park?) actually said that Chris and Aleta Speier thanked my mom and dad for taking care of their kids so Aleta could go on the Giants' road trip to Sacramento. Another favorite came when Garry Maddux was interviewed on the post-game show and said thanks to a guy who worked for my dad and the guy's wife for "being like a father and mother to me." I guess those events came before I was a stats geek too. Both those last two events coincided with my own athletic events. The first came when I left for a soccer referee's conference in Reno after watching the Giants' game, and the latter came when I was listening to the end of the Giants' game prior to getting out of my car to play in a softball game. Oh, and other intriguing Giants' announcing moment came one year on the night before Mothers Day when I listened to Duane Kuiper on the post-game wrap, then talked to him a few hours later when I refereed his team in a benefit basketball game. It seemed kind of funny to hear his voice in person, which seemed out of context. Anyway, guys, thanks for bringing up the announcing thing. It brought back a TON of memories. Getting back to Caray, I listened to him in St. Louis in the late 50's and early 60's when I believe the Cardinals broadcast team included him, Jack Buck and Joe Garagiola. In particular, I remember listening to Sam Jones' 7-inning no-hitter against the Cardinals in a rain-shortened game played in what I thought was called Busch Stadium but apparently was actually Sportsman's Park. Looking it up, the park WAS called Busch Stadium (now Busch Stadium I) for the Cardinals, while it was called Sportsman's Park when the St. Louis Browns (now the Baltimore Orioles) played in it. I guess the Cardinals were also called the St. Louis Browns at one time. Finally, while I think I already know Don's opinion, I would ask: Is Vince Scully the best baseball announcer we've heard?
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 30, 2013 13:05:31 GMT -5
I had forgotten until just now, but Bill King also did a little announcing for the Giants. While I didn't think he was at all special broadcasting for the A's, I think he was the best combination basketball/football announcer I have heard. We've been blessed with a lot of really fine announcers here in the Bay Area.
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Post by donk on Apr 30, 2013 14:09:38 GMT -5
Finally, while I think I already know Don's opinion, I would ask: Is Vince Scully the best baseball announcer we've heard?[/quote] It is too bad that Rog, above all others, was not forced to get his fill of baseball from Vin Scully.....the guy spent his whole career getting by with his voice and delivery and very little understanding or interest in baseball.....in his old age he has found Baseball-Reference and learned that such stats as strike outs per time at bat really depends on the count on the batter(ie).Because most TV broadcasts stream out of town scores you don't have to wait to the end of a Dodger game to find out how the Giants did.....Vin got a half page editorial in the LA Times because he correctly pointed out the umps blew a call when an ump got hit by a batted ball....3 days latter he completely blew a call on a runner getting hit by a batted ball...and no one said anything.....as I have said before, I used to keep a log of Scully's mistakes or omissions and it was common to fill up 3 pages per broadcast....some of the worse of Scully...saying that Darren Lewis was a slow footed outfielder because he mis-read his stats ...Lewis had been with the Giants for over a week and he had to look at his stats to determine his ability to steal....in the midst of the Alomar spitting case, he labeled Dick Bartell of being in a spitting fight with an umpire..it was Billy Jurges....in the game with the Giants in which Bonds hit his 67 HR, Scully immediately said that the Dodger pitcher would be the trivia answer to who was the pitcher who gave up the HR that made Bonds the all time home run hitting left handed outfielder with 67...after all Sammy Sosa had only 66....he repeated that later...Sammy Sosa hit LH? In the same broadcast he said that Aurilia was the second best single season HR hitter for a major league shortstop, second only to Banks...this was the same day the biggest news in baseball was A Rod passing Banks the night before....and Vern Stephens had more than Aurilia, too..later in the program he criticized the Giants getting Galarraga for3 low minor leaguers who probably never get to the bigs....one of the 3 guys was Chris Magruder, who was in AAA, not the low minors and he had been playing in the bigs for almost 2 weeks at the time...another example saying a guy's stats were down from last year without saying the guy has been on the 60 day DL ...he spent one whole series against the Giants wondering why Pablo wasn't playing...kept repeating it as question for 3 games and 3 or 4 times a game.....don't you think he could have made a 10 second phone call to find out....Jeff Kent was raked over the coals for saying Scully didn't know squat about the Dodgers because he never was in the club house talking to players...for Rog likes him because he got a great delivery.....
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 30, 2013 17:08:16 GMT -5
Vince is a Hall of Famer, was voted the best all-time sportscaster by the American Sportscaster Association, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame right next to that of Don Kurzitsky.
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Post by donk on Apr 30, 2013 18:11:15 GMT -5
Vince is a Hall of Famer, was voted the best all-time sportscaster by the American Sportscaster Association, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame right next to that of Don Kurzitsky. dk..at least spell my name right as it is on my star... do you really think these experts ever really listen to Scully...it is not what he says with them, but how he says it....Vin and I have a lot in common...almost the same age, lived in the Bronx, grew up Giants fans, and Mel Ott was our favorite player....but he still comes to a broadcast as little prepared as anyone broadcasting baseball....and you can only smear me but not comment on the examples I gave......I love it when he wonders if the mgr will give his #4 hitter the hit sign when the count is 3-1.....or if the mgr will send the base runners with a 3-2 count because a batter strike out a 5 of times at bat, not when he has a 3-2 count....or when he read off the 2012 stats for Andrew McCutchen first in this, that and the others and second, etc and saying some people call him great...as he strikes out in mid sentence, Vin says not yet.....wow, greats can't strike out
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Post by donk on Apr 30, 2013 18:15:28 GMT -5
got a laugh at Dick Enberg complaining about Pablo's loose shirt hanging over his belt ...could be hit by pitch and not hurt...Dick, that shirt is hanging over the belt because his fat middle is hanging over the belt./... One thing about Dick, he is still capable of laughing about himself...and if you write him, you will get a hand written answer.....
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Post by sharksrog on Apr 30, 2013 18:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by donk on May 1, 2013 0:15:38 GMT -5
dk..at least spell my name right as it is on my star... Rog -- Sorry about that. It didn't really seem right when I typed it, but I didn't take the time to check it. Don -- do you really think these experts ever really listen to Scully. Rog -- I suspect they do. These guys are professionals, and this is an honor bestowed by their profession. What would you do if you were among the voters? dk..I really doubt they worry about what he says or fails to say inbetween pitches...he is a master word machine when he can remember Red Barber's old stories or reads the exerpts from the different teams year books...has there ever been a player from the Caribbean that wasn't raised in a one bed room shack, had 10 brithers and sisters and who's first baseball glove was made from a milk carton? However, his lack of knowledge on what is going on in the current world of baseball is huge...I know that you will never believe me because you don't listen to the guy, but I have converted many ardent Dodger fans who listen to him and remember what he had said and got convinced he was wrong...but since I said it, yu automatically don't believe me.... Speaking about TV, the Giants had a little deal on Mel Ott the other day and I missed all but the last shot of Mel's swing and K and K's snide remark about the short fences in the Polo Grounds and how Mel took advantage of it....nothing was said about the largest center field area with 440' power allies and 505' center field....and the fact that Mel had more "road" homers in his career than any other National Leaguer in his era.....wasn't that swing something?
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Post by sharksrog on May 1, 2013 11:15:31 GMT -5
Don -- do you really think these experts ever really listen to Scully. Rog -- I suspect they do. These guys are professionals, and this is an honor bestowed by their profession. What would you do if you were among the voters? dk..I really doubt they worry about what he says or fails to say inbetween pitches Rog -- So rather than stray from the question, do you think the voters listen to the candidates or not? And if not, why WOULDN'T they? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1690&page=1#10547#ixzz2S3fiQHCs
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Post by sharksrog on May 1, 2013 11:47:39 GMT -5
Don -- Speaking about TV, the Giants had a little deal on Mel Ott the other day and I missed all but the last shot of Mel's swing and K and K's snide remark about the short fences in the Polo Grounds and how Mel took advantage of it.... Rog -- Well, did Ott take advantage of it or not? He had 323 homers at home and 188 on the road. I'm going to have to say they were on target with that one. Don -- nothing was said about the largest center field area with 440' power allies and 505' center field.... Rog -- Which based on the results (which showed Mel's essentially hitting five balls out of the Polo Grounds for every three hit on the road), apparently wasn't anywhere nearly as detrimental to Mel as he was helped by the short porch in right field just 258 feet away. Don -- and the fact that Mel had more "road" homers in his career than any other National Leaguer in his era.. Rog -- I don't think anyone has said that Mel wasn't a great home run hitter. What Kruk and Kuip must have been saying is that it seems unlikely he would have hit as many as he did had he played in a different home park. Based on his results, that seems extremely logical. I hadn't thought of it before, but here is a touch of irony. When the right-handed hitting Willie Mays hit homer #512 to break Mel's record, he hit it to right field where IIRC the fence was 335 feet away at the right field line. I'm guessing that even though Willie hit the ball to his off-field, Mel hit a fair number of homers to right field that didn't go as far as Willie's record-breaker. That isn't to say that Mel wasn't a great player, but the way. His career OPS and OPS+ are nearly identical to the greatest Giant of them all. He was barely 17 when he made his major league debut, and he hit twice as many homers in his age 20 season as Willie himself did. Mel's 107.9 Wins Above Replacement ranks #22 all-time, right behind Mickey Mantle. But it seems almost certain he benefited a great deal from his home park. Other great players have enjoyed a similar advantage. That doesn't mean they weren't great players. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1690&page=1#ixzz2S3gHR8Nt
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Post by Islandboagie on May 1, 2013 12:55:38 GMT -5
Allen- He works in a different market with different tastes. Remember Harry Caray? He would just openly criticize players on the air, and was quite a homer too. That's what they like back there. They like their announcer to be a fan. Same with Uecker. You'd never hear a west coast guy imploring the ball to "Get up! Getup! Get out of here!"
Boagie- You have a good point about Chicago, they love their home teams. And I'm sure the fans enjoy listening to homers, but I don't think that makes them a good announcer. Harrelson has often gone on rants about poor umpiring when a call goes against his Whitesox. In those cases he handled himself like a pissed off fan, not an announcer. Harry Carey would have never handled himself like that. Carey was a homer for everyone he announced for, but if an opposing player made a nice play it was recognized by Harry, whereas Hawk just says "You gotta be bleepin' me." Almost as if that player somehow cheated to take away a hit from a Whitesox player.
The announcers can set the tone more than anyone else. Kruk and Kuip have created an atmosphere at AT&T where if you wear something silly, you get talked about on TV. So the fans do just that. S.F. fans also take their glove to the game more than you see at most stadiums, because Krukow has always had that saying "bring your glove, get a ball."
Because of Kruk and Kuip the Giants fans are fairly well educated on baseball in general (except they dropped the ball on Cody Ross's first at-bat back at AT&T.) For the most part they know the game, and can appreciate achievements by other players. They gave Chipper Jones a better send off than his own fans did.
In Harrelson's case, he's set an entirely different tone, one of which MAY have had something to do with two instances of fans coming on the field and attacking a 3rd base coach, and then not suprisingly, an umpire.
I often go off on Brian Kenny here, but during his interview with Harrelson I was finding myself on the side of Brian Kenny for the first time. They were talking about sabermetrics and Hawk just refused to admit stats had anything to do with the game, it was all about the will to win. I do agree with Hawk on the will to win, and the mindset it takes to win, as did Kenny to a certain degree, but Hawk had zero interest in statistics. If this is the message he delivers to his viewers on a nightly basis, he's not a good announcer, because he's not educating his viewers.
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Post by donk on May 1, 2013 13:07:12 GMT -5
Don -- do you really think these experts ever really listen to Scully. Rog -- I suspect they do. These guys are professionals, and this is an honor bestowed by their profession. What would you do if you were among the voters? dk..I really doubt they worry about what he says or fails to say inbetween pitches Rog -- So rather than stray from the question, do you think the voters listen to the candidates or not? And if not, why WOULDN'T they? dk..people get overwhelmed by his voice and delivery...and he seems to be a nice man to everyone but Rocky Stalone (sp?)
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Post by sharksrog on May 1, 2013 13:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by donk on May 1, 2013 13:18:57 GMT -5
Don -- do you really think these experts ever really listen to Scully. Rog -- I suspect they do. These guys are professionals, and this is an honor bestowed by their profession. What would you do if you were among the voters? dk..I really doubt they worry about what he says or fails to say inbetween pitches Rog -- So rather than stray from the question, do you think the voters listen to the candidates or not? And if not, why WOULDN'T they? dk..I explained this once before...in his best of years Mel sometimes hit more homers on the road than at home...in his last few years he was a player manager and he hit many homers at home...the added duty on the road might have had an effect....and how many homers do you think he lost with the long fences in the power allies.... I never saw Mel hit a homer that wouldn't have been a homer some where else....fence footage is deceiving because batters very seldom hit a ball in the first row, right down the line....Dusty Rhodes did it in 1954....the fact that Mel was a playing manager cut short his career and had an effect on his playing....there were many great LH hitters that played in the Polo Grounds, Mel was second to only the Babe....
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Post by donk on May 1, 2013 13:25:34 GMT -5
I still haven't heard what was said about the clip on Mel Ott...last year the Giants told me they were going to have something special on the guys whose names are on the outfield fence because not too many SF guys know much about them....I suggested a night to honor each of them with their kids or grandkids throwing out the first ball or something....
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Post by allenreed on May 1, 2013 19:23:01 GMT -5
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Jeff Kent was raked over the coals for saying Scully didn't know squat about the Dodgers because he never was in the club house talking to players...for Rog likes him because he got a great delivery
Allen- So are you saying that one has to be a frequent visitor to the clubhouse to know about a team? You claim to know enough about the Giants that you would suggest moving their MVP catcher and defensively weakening three positions. Say hi to Murph for me next time you're in the clubhouse.
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Post by allenreed on May 1, 2013 19:29:20 GMT -5
Vince is a Hall of Famer, was voted the best all-time sportscaster by the American Sportscaster Association, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame right next to that of Don Kurzitsky
dk..at least spell my name right as it is on my star...
Allen- Perhaps he thinks your argument has some blemishes.
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Post by allenreed on May 1, 2013 19:38:11 GMT -5
Boagie- You have a good point about Chicago, they love their home teams. And I'm sure the fans enjoy listening to homers, but I don't think that makes them a good announcer.
Allen- I didn't say he was good, just that I enjoyed listening to him.
Harrelson has often gone on rants about poor umpiring when a call goes against his Whitesox.
Allen- I remember him going off on Joe West once. The criticism was all true and well deserved. He said West was lazy, confrontational, and should be fired. I agree on all three counts. Interesting that Bill King was mentioned here. Bill used to go off on basketball refs (Mendy Rudolph in particular) with a good bit of regularity.
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Post by donk on May 2, 2013 0:27:50 GMT -5
] Jeff Kent was raked over the coals for saying Scully didn't know squat about the Dodgers because he never was in the club house talking to players...for Rog likes him because he got a great delivery Allen- So are you saying that one has to be a frequent visitor to the clubhouse to know about a team? You claim to know enough about the Giants that you would suggest moving their MVP catcher and defensively weakening three positions. Say hi to Murph for me next time you're in the clubhouse. dk..I just offer my opinion to a couple of interested Giants fans and a couple of tea party echos...Scully talks to millions of Dodger fans as the voice of the team...one hell of a difference.....what Kent said was 100% correct...and I think I listen to Scully more than you do.....in fact, if you really like Scully, I'll lump you with the Dodger fans who are probably the most illinformed fans in the country.....did you ever hear a talk show in LA?
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Post by Islandboagie on May 2, 2013 12:23:17 GMT -5
dk..I just offer my opinion to a couple of interested Giants fans and a couple of tea party echos...Scully talks to millions of Dodger fans as the voice of the team...one hell of a difference.....what Kent said was 100% correct...and I think I listen to Scully more than you do.....in fact, if you really like Scully, I'll lump you with the Dodger fans who are probably the most illinformed fans in the country.....did you ever hear a talk show in LA? Boagie- If Scully makes a point of NOT going into the clubhouse, then I respect him for it. I think he sees his job as a broadcaster who belongs in the broadcast booth, not the clubhouse...while I would likely play it differently, I can respect that point of view. Now if he just doesn't care, then that's a different story, which I doubt is the case. Vin or "Vince" as Rog likes to call him, is very scripted. He brings up odd facts about players that he'd only know if he had it in front of him. Sometimes he tells a good story, but he really doesn't add much to what is going on on the field at the time. I happen to think he's quite good at announcing games, the mistake is not having the color commentator with him.
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Post by donk on May 2, 2013 12:42:17 GMT -5
dk..I just offer my opinion to a couple of interested Giants fans and a couple of tea party echos...Scully talks to millions of Dodger fans as the voice of the team...one hell of a difference.....what Kent said was 100% correct...and I think I listen to Scully more than you do.....in fact, if you really like Scully, I'll lump you with the Dodger fans who are probably the most illinformed fans in the country.....did you ever hear a talk show in LA? Boagie- If Scully makes a point of NOT going into the clubhouse, then I respect him for it. I think he sees his job as a broadcaster who belongs in the broadcast booth, not the clubhouse...while I would likely play it differently, I can respect that point of view. Now if he just doesn't care, then that's a different story, which I doubt is the case. dk..most announcers keep in close contact with the team in order to get the background material correct...there is no reason why he has to keep asking the microphone why a Sandoval is not in the lineup...also, how can he miss something like A=Rod breaking Banks record when it was the #1 st ory in all facets of the media...shouldn't a baseball announcer at least scan the papers or give a two minute listen to the TV sports news to see what is new in his field??? Vin or "Vince" as Rog likes to call him, is very scripted. He brings up odd facts about players that he'd only know if he had it in front of him. Sometimes he tells a good story, but he really doesn't add much to what is going on on the field at the time. I happen to think he's quite good at announcing games, the mistake is not having the color commentator with him. dk..I agree...Scully had an adequate partner,Ross Porter, and they fired him because there were too many complaints that the guy gave out too many stats....now, Scully discovered such things as Baseball- Reference and he can run down a full laundry list of stats and I hear no complaints.
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Post by allenreed on May 2, 2013 13:26:14 GMT -5
dk..I just offer my opinion to a couple of interested Giants fans and a couple of tea party echos...Scully talks to millions of Dodger fans as the voice of the team...one hell of a difference..
Allen- Not in respect to the assertion you made. You're saying (or agreeing with Kent) that Scully doesn't know about the Dodgers because he doesn't go in the clubhouse. Yet you claim to know more about what is best for the Giants than the manager, and you have never set foot in the clubhouse. Once again, your argument contradicts itself and is basically nonsense.
...what Kent said was 100% correct...and I think I listen to Scully more than you do.
Allen- There you go thinking again, or more accurately making assumptions without having a clue as to what you're talking about. I actually watch every Dodger game. If they conflict with the Giants, I DVR them. I listen to Scully plenty. Add it to the pile Don. So far you've pegged me as a gun freak, a hawk on Afghanistan, a Republican, a tea party member, a Rush Limbaugh fan, a racist, and a homophobe. You've been wrong every time. Perhaps you actually ought to think before you type.
....in fact, if you really like Scully, I'll lump you with the Dodger fans who are probably the most illinformed fans in the country.
Allen- I'm sure you will, and you'll be wrong yet again. I enjoy Scully, but I know that he isn't anywhere close to what he used to be. Age has caught up with him (you should be familiar with that scenario). Dodger fans enjoy Scully. Does he really bother you that much. If so, why do you listen to him?
....did you ever hear a talk show in LA?
Allen- I don't listen to talk shows that have people call in. Most are so ignorant as to be annoying.
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Post by allenreed on May 2, 2013 13:29:07 GMT -5
dk..I just offer my opinion to a couple of interested Giants fans and a couple of tea party echos...Scully talks to millions of Dodger fans as the voice of the team...one hell of a difference..
Allen- Not in respect to the assertion you made. You're saying (or agreeing with Kent) that Scully doesn't know about the Dodgers because he doesn't go in the clubhouse. Yet you claim to know more about what is best for the Giants than the manager, and you have never set foot in the clubhouse. Once again, your argument contradicts itself and is basically nonsense.
...what Kent said was 100% correct...and I think I listen to Scully more than you do.
Allen- There you go thinking again, or more accurately making assumptions without having a clue as to what you're talking about. I actually watch every Dodger game. If they conflict with the Giants, I DVR them. I listen to Scully plenty. Add it to the pile Don. So far you've pegged me as a gun freak, a hawk on Afghanistan, a Republican, a tea party member, a Rush Limbaugh fan, a racist, and a homophobe. You've been wrong every time. Perhaps you actually ought to think before you type.
....in fact, if you really like Scully, I'll lump you with the Dodger fans who are probably the most illinformed fans in the country.
Allen- I'm sure you will, and you'll be wrong yet again. I enjoy Scully, but I know that he isn't anywhere close to what he used to be. Age has caught up with him (you should be familiar with that scenario). Dodger fans enjoy Scully. Does he really bother you that much. If so, why do you listen to him?
....did you ever hear a talk show in LA?
Allen- I don't listen to talk shows that have people call in. Most are so ignorant as to be annoying.
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