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Post by sharksrog on Mar 9, 2013 15:50:13 GMT -5
Heard Bobby Evans before today's game. Here are some of the things he mentioned:
. Sounds like Cole Gillespie is leading in the 5th outfielder job. The Giants are well aware of the job Francisco Peguero has done, but would like him to play every day to continue to develop. Brett Pill's name didn't come up, but while I suspect Brett would need to clear waivers to go back to Fresno, I believe he has done so once or twice before.
. The Giants appear to want Tony Abreu to be their 6th infielder. Tony is on the 40-man roster but is presently injured. Sounds like he'll be back next week.
Wilson Valdez is next in line, since he plays 2nd, 3rd and SS. Evans didn't seem too high on Kensuke Tanaka. Tanaka and Bond.
. Chad Gaudin appears to have the inside track on the final bullpen spot.
. Players on minor league contracts who are out of options have three choices if they are sent down:
1. They can agree to go.
2. They can go through waivers and then be sent down if they clear.
3. The player can go down and delay his date of decision until June.
Looks like I'm probably finish only 1 for 3 in my predictions for final outfielder, infielder and relief pitcher. I did mention Cole Gillespie before I suspect some here realized he was even a Giant. But Tanaka is probably running behind Abreu, Valdez AND Brock Bond. And Ramon Ramirez seems to be fighting a big uphill battle against Gaudin.
I'll try to do better next year. The one guy who really surprises me is Ramirez. If he goes to Fresno though, I'll bet he's up sometime during the season.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 12, 2013 13:55:14 GMT -5
I don't see why Gillespie is so highly thought of. He's had even less pro experience than Belt did when everyone here wanted Brandon kicked off the team. He (Cole) has decent, but not eye-popping numbers in Fresno. I'd rather have Peguero because of his speed, power and defense being the #5. I've NEVER thought much of Chad Gaudin...I guess Ramon Ramirez is getting lit up like most of the relievers so far. Heath Hembree is starting to look like a bust.
~Dood
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 12, 2013 15:18:26 GMT -5
Randy- Heath Hembree is starting to look like a bust.
Boagie- I think we need to realize it's still not even halfway through spring training. Just yesterday Hembree struck out the side in his inning of work.
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 12, 2013 15:27:04 GMT -5
I hadnt heard about Hembree's solid inning yesterday. But I wasnt just speaking about Spring Training. He's no longer hitting the mid to high 90s on the gun and is just not the dominant premier prospect we thought he was only a year ago. Sure he could still be a good pro...but his ceiling has definitely decreased big time.
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Post by donk on Mar 13, 2013 0:09:43 GMT -5
I don't see why Gillespie is so highly thought of. He's had even less pro experience than Belt did when everyone here wanted Brandon kicked off the team. He (Cole) has decent, but not eye-popping numbers in Fresno. I'd rather have Peguero because of his speed, power and defense being the #5. I've NEVER thought much of Chad Gaudin...I guess Ramon Ramirez is getting lit up like most of the relievers so far. Heath Hembree is starting to look like a bust. dk..,.Conor Gillaspie (with an A) played in Fresno...Cole Gillespie (with an E) played for Reno...same league...Cole had better stats than Conor.. |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 13, 2013 14:43:26 GMT -5
dk..,.Conor Gillaspie (with an A) played in Fresno...Cole Gillespie (with an E) played for Reno...same league...Cole had better stats than Conor..
Dood - quite true, my bad. The numbers I referred to were from Cole Gillespie in Reno in 2012. Good but not great for the PCL. The only league besides the PCL that Gillespie hit over 300 in was his first year or rookie league ball. He basically got dumped onto the scrap heap by AZ after last season because they had no hope for him ever making their big league roster. I just don't see how a throw away guy like this is suddenly the front runner for our #5 outfield spot when we have far more promising prospects to choose from...especially when he's hitting 246 in the cactus league. He looked abysmal trying to cut off a ball in the field last night too.
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Post by donk on Mar 13, 2013 17:50:38 GMT -5
Blanco couldn't hit at all in the minors in 2011 and he got off to a great start in the majors in 2012.....201 in 74 games in 2 AAA leagues....maybe he will find that same potion...
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 13, 2013 20:13:02 GMT -5
Donk - Blanco couldn't hit at all in the minors in 2011 and he got off to a great start in the majors in 2012.....201 in 74 games in 2 AAA leagues....maybe he will find that same potion...
Dood - once again, very true...but the difference is Blanco earned his way onto the Giants roster by having a blistering Spring in 2012. Gillespie is having a mediocre spring at best. Mediocre in the minor leagues and mediocre in spring training doesn't equate to earning a spot, IMO.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 14, 2013 11:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 14, 2013 11:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 14, 2013 11:44:59 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 14, 2013 11:48:35 GMT -5
Randy -- I just don't see how a throw away guy like this is suddenly the front runner for our #5 outfield spot when we have far more promising prospects to choose from... Rog -- If the prospects truly have more promise (which, given the level of outfield prospects not named Brown, is questionable), wouldn't it make sense to give those promising prospects everyday at bats rather than burying them in the role of a 5th outfielder? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1606&page=1#ixzz2NX8NetMK |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 14, 2013 11:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 14, 2013 12:52:16 GMT -5
Randy -- I just don't see how a throw away guy like this is suddenly the front runner for our #5 outfield spot when we have far more promising prospects to choose from...
Rog -- If the prospects truly have more promise (which, given the level of outfield prospects not named Brown, is questionable), wouldn't it make sense to give those promising prospects everyday at bats rather than burying them in the role of a 5th outfielder?
Dood - just because they have more promise than a groveller like Gillespie doesn't make them "can't miss" prospects--other than Brown, like you say. And i wasn't even referring to Brown because the Giants have signed Pagan in order to keep Brown's spot warm for him until he's ready. I prefer both Peguero and Keishnick to Gillespie...maybe even Juan Perez. And I definitely don't see earning a spot on a big league roster as being "buried"...quite the opposite, I would say.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 14, 2013 17:23:08 GMT -5
Dood - just because they have more promise than a groveller like Gillespie doesn't make them "can't miss" prospects Rog -- Where did you come up with the term "groveler" for Gillespie? And as for the players having more promise than Cole, they likely have more potential, not promise (although I realize the two words are sometimes used -- incorrectly -- interchangeably. Randy --other than Brown, like you say. And i wasn't even referring to Brown because the Giants have signed Pagan in order to keep Brown's spot warm for him until he's ready. Rog -- The Giants actually re-signed Pagan because they thought he could help them over the next four seasons. Randy - I prefer both Peguero and Keishnick to Gillespie...maybe even Juan Perez. Rog -- I think Gillespie was the leader around the first turn but that Peguero has likely overtaken him. The last I looked, Kieschnick was having a horrible spring, and you're right that Perez could be the darkhorse. Randy -- And I definitely don't see earning a spot on a big league roster as being "buried"...quite the opposite, I would say. Rog -- I have to disagree. If being the #5 outfielder was a step up over starting in the minors, why wouldn't the Giants have Gary Brown as the #5 guy? Their hopes for him are higher than for any of the others? Looking back, the Giants benefited from having Hector Sanchez on their roster. Don't you thin, though, that Hector personally would have benefited fromp playing at LEAST half a season at Fresno? He wasn't nearly as ready as Buster Posey in 2010, and Buster went down for two months. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1606&page=1#9553#ixzz2NYL2esKy |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 14, 2013 18:43:30 GMT -5
Groveller is a term my buddies and I came up with for a teammate who is constantly begging the coach for playing time instead of letting his work speak for itself. If Gillespie let his work in the minors and in spring training speak for itself, he'd be selling insurance right now...which is what Arizona thought when they shit-canned him.
Being the 5th outfielder on a big league roster certainly does not say that you are a top prospect necessarily, but it is far from being "buried." Buried tells me that nobody will notice you. If youre on the big league team it's hard to not get noticed. You will get some starts even if the top guys are going well because they will always need days off. And also your talents are always kept in mind for late game moves. What I'm mostly thinking of is what's best for the team. If you think of all the skills--hitting, speed, power, defense and arm strength--I think Gillespie falls short overall from Peguero, Keishnick AND Perez. I'm really having a hard time seeing what scouts saw in this rummy that made them think he was a better option.
Also, I think since Buster was not fully healthy all of last year, it was not bad for Hector being the backup here in SF because of all the games Buster played first base.
~Dood
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 14, 2013 19:22:58 GMT -5
I might be out of the loop here since I live outside of the Bay Area, but I never heard much raving about Cole Gillespie outside of them just inviting him to camp. The only times I've heard talk about Gillespie being all that good were in Rog's posts.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 15, 2013 9:17:39 GMT -5
Randy -- Groveller is a term my buddies and I came up with for a teammate who is constantly begging the coach for playing time instead of letting his work speak for itself. Rog -- You're right. I happened into Bruce Bochy's office, and there Gillespie was groveling for playing time. Bruce even told him, "Why are you groveling? You've hit .300 in AAA the past two seasons. You've got a .393 career minor league OBP, for crying out loud. "Sure, you might be only a career minor leaguer, but how are we going to find out if we don't play you? You get on base, have shown above-average pop, can play all three outfield spots, and have even stolen 112 career bases. "And it's not as if we have the world's greatest outfielders competing with you. Why are you groveling?" Randy -- If Gillespie let his work in the minors and in spring training speak for itself, he'd be selling insurance right now... Rog -- And if you let your posting speak for itself, you'd have your hands tied behind your back. Obviously what neither of us said here is true. Randy -- which is what Arizona thought when they shit-canned him. Rog -- Gillespie was rated the #5 hitter in the PCL in 2011 and #12 in 2012. Clearly the Diamondbacks gave up on him, but many players have become good players after their original team gave up on them. The only reason I brought up Gillespie in the first place -- I'm not sure I had previously even known he was in came -- was because Bobby Evans spoke well of him. Bobby said that the Giants felt Francisco Peguero was still developing and specifically said about Peguero's becoming the 5th outfielder, "Cole Gillespie will have something to say about that." Clearly Gillespie has had a poor spring (10 strikeouts in 33 at bats after a good start), but just as clearly the Giants had some hopes for him when they brought him into camp. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1606&page=1#9560#ixzz2NcJhnMBw |
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