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Post by sharksrog on Feb 6, 2013 18:56:24 GMT -5
We have identified that the Giants' three needs are obvious: Left fielder, backup infielder and a relief pitcher. The Giants tried to address the left field position earlier when they signed Andres Torres to platoon with Gregor Blanco.
Yesterday they addressed the two other needs.
They signed reliever Ramon Ramirez to a minor league contract. Ramon's peripherals finally caught up with him last season, but he still has a 3.32 career ERA over seven seasons.
Ramon was a huge weapon after the Giants acquired him at the 2010 trade deadline, forging an 0.67 ERA the rest of the way. He put up a solid 2.62 in 2011 before being traded with Torres for Angel Pagan.
Ramirez was signed to a minor league contract, so the risk/reward here seems excellent. The Giants need a 12th pitcher, and despite the minor league pact, Ramirez may have become the favorite for the spot.
Addressing their need for a utility infielder, the Giants claimed Tony Abreu from the Kansas City Royals. Abreu played 22 games at second, third and shortstop last season, and has hit .252/.280/.355/.635 in 168 career games.
That .280 OBP is alarming.
Tony is an example of when K/BB ratio may mean more in evaluating a minor leaguer than his more traditional stats. Tony's minor league numbers of .312/.349/.456/.804 are pretty good for a middle infielder.
But his 496/148 K/BB ratio has been a far better indicator of how he has hit thus far in the majors.
I'm not using Tony to prove the effectiveness of K/BB. I'm using him as an example to help understand how the concept works.
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Post by donk on Feb 6, 2013 22:18:35 GMT -5
[ Tony is an example of when K/BB ratio may mean more in evaluating a minor leaguer than his more traditional stats. Tony's minor league numbers of .312/.349/.456/.804 are pretty good for a middle infielder. But his 496/148 K/BB ratio has been a far better indicator of how he has hit thus far in the majors. I'm not using Tony to prove the effectiveness of K/BB. I'm using him as an example to help understand how the concept works.[/quote] dk...and in this example because the guy has a fair amount of home runs, the home runs are left out of the equation......is it K/BB or K/BB/HR?  |
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Post by donk on Feb 6, 2013 22:20:44 GMT -5
also, since you don't like him, we should forget about his verygood OPS for a middle infielder and look at you altered to suit equation....
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Post by Islandboagie on Feb 7, 2013 10:30:18 GMT -5
Rog- They signed reliever Ramon Ramirez to a minor league contract. Ramon's peripherals finally caught up with him last season, but he still has a 3.32 career ERA over seven seasons.
Ramon was a huge weapon after the Giants acquired him at the 2010 trade deadline, forging an 0.67 ERA the rest of the way. He put up a solid 2.62 in 2011 before being traded with Torres for Angel Pagan.
Ramirez was signed to a minor league contract, so the risk/reward here seems excellent. The Giants need a 12th pitcher, and despite the minor league pact, Ramirez may have become the favorite for the spot.
Boagie- To me he's almost a guaranteed lock for the spot, unless they make a move to get someone else. I like this move very much.
Rog- Addressing their need for a utility infielder, the Giants claimed Tony Abreu from the Kansas City Royals. Abreu played 22 games at second, third and shortstop last season, and has hit .252/.280/.355/.635 in 168 career games.
That .280 OBP is alarming.
Tony is an example of when K/BB ratio may mean more in evaluating a minor leaguer than his more traditional stats. Tony's minor league numbers of .312/.349/.456/.804 are pretty good for a middle infielder.
But his 496/148 K/BB ratio has been a far better indicator of how he has hit thus far in the majors.
I'm not using Tony to prove the effectiveness of K/BB. I'm using him as an example to help understand how the concept works.
Boagie- The Giants don't appear to be shutting the door on the final two spots (backup OF INF.) I think they want to have 'em fight it out in spring training. Abreu doesn't seem like a guy who has a leg up on anyone else they've invited to spring. The addition of Abreu also tells me that Tanaka is not a clear favorite for the position like you thought he was. At this time I believe the Giants would like Gillaspie or Noonan to win the job, Abreu and Tanaka are just the insurance policy.
The outfield is the mystery this year. I don't know of any invitee that has some significant major league experience. The way things stand now it would appear it's between Peguero and Keishnick.
The 5th outfield spot seems like it would be more vital of the two. Arias is a solid backup plan if someone gets injured. Whereas if Blanco and Torres both struggle offensively, and Pagan or Pence gets injured for a significant period, we could be in big trouble.
While we're on the topic of the outfield, I believe it would be in the Giants best interest to have Pence in left and Blanco/Torres in right. Obviously Blanco and Torres can cover more ground than Pence, and with that defense, Pence and Blanco would have their glove hands facing the gaps.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 12:30:35 GMT -5
dk...and in this example because the guy has a fair amount of home runs, the home runs are left out of the equation......is it K/BB or K/BB/HR? Don -- As has been explained here on many occasions, it is the latter. But home runs tend to come into play much more in extreme cases (big time power hitter or weak sister) than for most hitters. When you say Tony Abreu has a fair number of homers, he has 52 homers in 9 seasons. That's certainly not anywhere near enough to help him in the HR portion of K/BB/HR. By the way, your question is a very good one. But it has been asked and answered so many times that its redundancy is becoming redundant. It's kind of like dejavu all over again. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8637#ixzz2KKUcMVv4 |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 12:34:25 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Feb 8, 2013 12:51:46 GMT -5
dk...and in this example because the guy has a fair amount of home runs, the home runs are left out of the equation......is it K/BB or K/BB/HR? Don -- As has been explained here on many occasions, it is the latter. But home runs tend to come into play much more in extreme cases (big time power hitter or weak sister) than for most hitters. When you say Tony Abreu has a fair number of homers, he has 52 homers in 9 seasons. That's certainly not anywhere near enough to help him in the HR portion of K/BB/HR. By the way, your question is a very good one. But it has been asked and answered so many times that its redundancy is becoming redundant. It's kind of like dejavu all over again. dk..I have never seen any answer to my question on why you sometimes use homeruns as part of your equation...the 52 homers are not a small number for a middle infielder and is part of the reason he has a fairly high Slg and OPS...of course if you added Plate appearances into the equation it would add some meaning ....but is still meaningless until you brak it down into a year by year comparison to show some kind of trend...but you always want to cherry pick and point to one bad season to make your claim.....if you would get off your high horse and discuss raionale you might be able to come up with something worth while, but so far you fail the test... |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:45:25 GMT -5
dk..I have never seen any answer to my question on why you sometimes use homeruns as part of your equation... Rog -- You might want to pay more attention in the future. Don -- the 52 homers are not a small number for a middle infielder and is part of the reason he has a fairly high Slg and OPS... Rog -- Tony has hit 52 homers in 3069 at bats in the minors. Freddie Sanchez has hit 48 homers in 3402 major league at bats. Both are at best middling numbers for middle infielders. As a minor leaguer, Tony hit a homer once every 59 at bats. This past season National League middle infielders hit a homer every 53 at bats. As a major leaguer, Abreu has hit four home runs in 437 at bats. Don -- of course if you added Plate appearances into the equation it would add some meaning .... Rog -- Perhaps you could explain that one. If we see a high K/BB ratio, we wouldn't expect a high number of plate appearances. If the ratio is low, we would expect more plate appearances. Don -- but is still meaningless until you brak it down into a year by year comparison to show some kind of trend... Rog -- I would rather see a player on an upward trend than a downward one, but I have found overall that the long-term average tends to be a better indicator than is the trend. Don -- but you always want to cherry pick and point to one bad season to make your claim. Rog -- I have stated here -- both now and previously -- that the long-term average is the better indicator. So just how is it that I point to one bad season to make my claim? You continue to speak illogically, Don. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8655#ixzz2KLFP6gfl |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:50:41 GMT -5
Boagie -- While we're on the topic of the outfield, I believe it would be in the Giants best interest to have Pence in left and Blanco/Torres in right. Obviously Blanco and Torres can cover more ground than Pence, and with that defense, Pence and Blanco would have their glove hands facing the gaps. Rog -- You make a good point here. Two reasons NOT to make a switch would be that Hunter doesn't have any major league experience in left field, and he does have the best arm of the three. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2KLJB2nQt |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:56:20 GMT -5
Don -- also, since you don't like him, we should forget about his verygood OPS for a middle infielder and look at you altered to suit equation.... Rog -- How is it that you know I don't like Tony Abreu? When I heard the Giants had claimed him, I was initially excited, kind of like when they signed another middle infielder (whose name I have forgotten) to a minor league contract. In both cases, they were names I had heard. Sadly, in both cases, the guys couldn't get on base. So just how is it that using a formula I have long been a proponent of in analyzing two players to whom I was originally favorably disposed is altering something "to suit equation"? Again, there is no logic here. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2KLKK8a9h |
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Post by donk on Feb 9, 2013 2:22:49 GMT -5
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Rog -- I would rather see a player on an upward trend than a downward one, but I have found overall that the long-term average tends to be a better indicator than is the trend.
Don -- but you always want to cherry pick and point to one bad season to make your claim.
Rog -- I have stated here -- both now and previously -- that the long-term average is the better indicator. So just how is it that I point to one bad season to make my claim?
You continue to speak illogically, Don.
dk..listen close, snotbag...you belittled the crap out of Crawford trying to diss his good year in SJ by harping on his K/BB in Conn....you aught to have someone look up the word illogically because you use it a lot and it never fits what you write...you don't have a decent bone in your body...you have used either one year or career which ever fits your crude crap you put out....just as you use or remove HR from your magic equation....the same equation I have shown time after time to not be a valid stat...
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Post by donk on Feb 9, 2013 2:23:11 GMT -5
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Rog -- I would rather see a player on an upward trend than a downward one, but I have found overall that the long-term average tends to be a better indicator than is the trend.
Don -- but you always want to cherry pick and point to one bad season to make your claim.
Rog -- I have stated here -- both now and previously -- that the long-term average is the better indicator. So just how is it that I point to one bad season to make my claim?
You continue to speak illogically, Don.
dk..listen close, snotbag...you belittled the crap out of Crawford trying to diss his good year in SJ by harping on his K/BB in Conn....you aught to have someone look up the word illogically because you use it a lot and it never fits what you write...you don't have a decent bone in your body...you have used either one year or career which ever fits your crude crap you put out....just as you use or remove HR from your magic equation....the same equation I have shown time after time to not be a valid stat...
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 10, 2013 12:06:55 GMT -5
dk..listen close, snotbag... Rog -- I live to see what nasty name you can up with next, Don. Don -- you belittled the crap out of Crawford trying to diss his good year in SJ by harping on his K/BB in Conn. Rog -- Just a few things here that are worth mentioning: . I didn't belittle Crawford. I merely commented that despite his .371 average and 1.000+ OPS for San Jose, I didn't think he would hit. . Obviously since I did that while he was still at -- or just leaving -- San Jose, Connecticut had nothing to do with it. . How has Brandon hit so far? Ignoring when he was briefly sent back to A ball from AAA, Brandon's batting averages since have been .258, .236, .241, .265, .234, .204 and .248. Brandon has a career minor league average of .266, and a career major league mark of .234. His improvement last season may indicate he will eventually hit. I doubt it. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. Occasionally I am. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8676#ixzz2KW4z69Gy |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 10, 2013 12:09:07 GMT -5
Don -- you have used either one year or career which ever fits your crude crap you put out....just as you use or remove HR from your magic equation....the same equation I have shown time after time to not be a valid stat... Rog -- I have consistently used career numbers, and have included home runs when they were important (which usually isn't the case). Please go back and show some instances where I deviated from this consistency, or forever hold your piece (intentional). Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2KW72ul2e |
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Post by donk on Feb 10, 2013 17:47:33 GMT -5
dk..listen close, snotbag... Rog -- I live to see what nasty name you can up with next, Don. dk..there is direct 100% correlation between my name calling and your insults....figure it out... Don -- you belittled the crap out of Crawford trying to diss his good year in SJ by harping on his K/BB in Conn. Rog -- Just a few things here that are worth mentioning: . I didn't belittle Crawford. I merely commented that despite his .371 average and 1.000+ OPS for San Jose, I didn't think he would hit. dk...so that is not dissing him.... . Obviously since I did that while he was still at -- or just leaving -- San Jose, Connecticut had nothing to do with it. dk...except you ruled out his hitting bcause of his K/BB . How has Brandon hit so far? Ignoring when he was briefly sent back to A ball from AAA, Brandon's batting averages since have been .258, .236, .241, .265, .234, .204 and .248. Brandon has a career minor league average of .266, and a career major league mark of .234. His improvement last season may indicate he will eventually hit. I doubt it. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. Occasionally I am. dk...that seals it, Brandon will hit because Rog says he wouldn't...and how come you didn't mention that his hitting greatly improved in the end of 2012... |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 11, 2013 1:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Feb 11, 2013 13:27:13 GMT -5
lets see...despite his .374 BA & 1.045 OPS you think he wouldn't hit because he had a 32/10 K/BB....wow , how often do you skirt around the bush,,,,,,how often do we hear about a players low OPS when you want to diss him...now you have a new tool.....
then you give his yearly batting averages in the minors and in the majors and you say there was some improvement in 2012...not one stinky word on what went on in August and Sep.....but you will later on in the year dig out your post that you agreed with me that he had good stats in Aug and Sep.....you are one ____...you fill in the blank, I don't want to cuss today....
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 12, 2013 17:37:34 GMT -5
Don -- lets see...despite his .374 BA & 1.045 OPS you think he wouldn't hit because he had a 32/10 K/BB....wow , how often do you skirt around the bush Rog -- Well, if skirting around the bush is just what you said (except that Brandon's average was .371, not .374), then, yeah, I plead guilty. Aside from that one tiny mistake, what you said that I said was in this case right on the money. If the truth shall set us free, I'm free, dude. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8701#ixzz2Kj8T2PAW |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 12, 2013 18:08:28 GMT -5
Don -- then you give his yearly batting averages in the minors and in the majors and you say there was some improvement in 2012...not one stinky word on what went on in August and Sep.....but you will later on in the year dig out your post that you agreed with me that he had good stats in Aug and Sep.....you are one ____...you fill in the blank, I don't want to cuss today. Rog -- First of all, that I did mention that Brandon improved in 2012 showed I wasn't shying away from the fact. Second, I believe that I did cite his August and September/October stats, or at least say he improved a lot in the second half. So, yeah, if you want to fill in the blank without cussing, I would recommend "pretty sharp observer." Or, if you preferred, you might complete the sentence with "honest guy." Why don't we get down to the facts: . Brandon hit very well (in terms of average and OPS) through San Jose. . Despite his high average there, I said his poor K/BB ratio led me to believe he wouldn't hit well. . Since that time, he has yet to hit well over a full season at any level higher than Class A. . He improved last season, and much of the improvement came in the seasons' final two months. . He has yet to hit well at the major league level. By the way, one could make a point that Brandon's improvement at the plate began on September 13, 2011, and that his improvement went to a higher level on August 7th of last season. Some here have argued that Brandon showed a knack for getting clutch hits, but he hit only .207 last season with RISP and only .235 in high-leverage situations. He batted .169 in late-and-close situations. By the way, the four projections at Fan Graphs for Brandon for this upcoming season range between .240 to .246. Most of those projections take improvement into consideration. The only one that probably doesn't is the fan's projection of .246. The projections feel that what we saw from Brandon at the plate last season is what we'll get. That he'll hit between .240 and .250. That he will get on base just over 30% of the time. And that his slugging percentage will be about .350 or a little above. I hope those projections are all way too low. Do I think they will be? I could argue yes. As you point out, he improved last season, and he accelerated his rate of improvement in the last two months. He leaped from 14% line drives to a very healthy 23%. I could argue no. Despite his improvement last season, Brandon's strikeout rate rose from 14% to 20%. His walk rate declined from 10% to 7%. His swinging strike percentage rose from 8% to 11%. He swung at one out of every three pitches outside the strike zone compared to one out of every four in 2011. His K/BB ratio rose from a nice 31/23 to a poor 95/33. When I balance that out, I have a very hard time predicting improvement this season. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2Kj9XODYj |
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Post by sfgdood on Feb 15, 2013 16:23:42 GMT -5
I have a problem with identifying these three areas as "needs"...I would more accurately refer to them as areas of open competition. There were plenty of arms coming to camp as non-roster invitees (a recent specialty of the scouting department) even before Ramon Ramirez was snapped up. I'm a little leary of Ramirez (or Mr ham and egg as I call him) after he got lit up in NY. I wonder if his slider left him.
I like Abreu but there also is Wilson Valdez with an outside shot as a NRI and Brett Pill (who has proven himself incapable of playing outfield but is good on the corner infield spots) as well as prospects Panik and Noonan who will get a look.
Torres seems to be a near-lock now to share time as the 4th outfielder, unless Gary Brown scorches up the Cactus League and makes that decision a more difficult one for Bochy. If Torres is in, then the question becomes who is outfielder #5? Or do the Giants go with an extra infielder with Belt taking some starts in LF when Bochy wants to give Posey a First Base day?
Your point is a good one though. The team is mostly set, but that doesn't mean the Spring wont have some intrigue to it.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 15, 2013 16:51:00 GMT -5
Randy -- I have a problem with identifying these three areas as "needs"...I would more accurately refer to them as areas of open competition. There were plenty of arms coming to camp as non-roster invitees (a recent specialty of the scouting department) even before Ramon Ramirez was snapped up. I'm a little leary of Ramirez (or Mr ham and egg as I call him) after he got lit up in NY. I wonder if his slider left him. Rog -- I think your characterization of competition rather than need is a good one. Mark can perhaps tell us more about Ramon, but I do know that he had outpitched his peripherals over his career, and that leaves one more vulnerable to a down season. Also, Ramon got lit up early last season, and I think he pitched better as the year went on. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8907#ixzz2L0UZ1wJo |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 15, 2013 16:54:33 GMT -5
Randy -- I like Abreu but there also is Wilson Valdez with an outside shot as a NRI and Brett Pill (who has proven himself incapable of playing outfield but is good on the corner infield spots) as well as prospects Panik and Noonan who will get a look. Rog -- Don't forget about Tanaka. As much as I like Joe Panik, I doubt he will be ready, and he likey would benefit from at least another year in the minors. Let's not forget that he has yet to play above Class A. Remember, even Tim Lincecum spent five starts in the minors after leaving Class A San Jose. Regarding Panik, Randy, have you seen him play, and what do you think of him? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2L0VHSzHg |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 15, 2013 17:00:50 GMT -5
Randy -- Torres seems to be a near-lock now to share time as the 4th outfielder, unless Gary Brown scorches up the Cactus League and makes that decision a more difficult one for Bochy. If Torres is in, then the question becomes who is outfielder #5? Or do the Giants go with an extra infielder with Belt taking some starts in LF when Bochy wants to give Posey a First Base day? Rog -- If Brandon Belt wasn't ready, I can't imagine Brown will be. I do think if he gets off to a really good start at Fresno though, he could become the Giant's primary starting left fielder a few months into the season. But Gary hasn't totally mastered AA ball yet, although he did bounce back nicely from a very slow start. I can't imagine the Giants wanting to have him sit on the bench, so I think he has to mostly start or at least start for a while due to injury. Your thought about keeping an extra infielder is an intriguing one. Both Belt and Pill have shown they can play a little outfield, and while defense is their weakness out there, it is the strength of both Gregor Blanco and Torres. One thing that could augur against Pill though is that when Belt isn't playing first base, it will almost certainly be Buster almost all the time. I like your mention of Pill though. I hadn't though of him in the context you brought up. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of his bat. But I'm not a fan of the bats of Peguero or Kieschnick, either. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2L0W5kvM4 |
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Post by sfgdood on Feb 15, 2013 18:17:41 GMT -5
Rog -- Don't forget about Tanaka. As much as I like Joe Panik, I doubt he will be ready, and he likey would benefit from at least another year in the minors. Let's not forget that he has yet to play above Class A.
Remember, even Tim Lincecum spent five starts in the minors after leaving Class A San Jose.
Regarding Panik, Randy, have you seen him play, and what do you think of him?
Dood - It's funny, Panik didnt really blow me away with specific skills. He gets on at a pretty good pace, I recall, and he's good at making contact and catching the ball. I see him as a Scutaro type player for his career. I don't mean the unstoppable Marco we saw last season...but a solid contact hitter (280 to 290ish...good OBP) and good fielder. Not spectacular but no real glaring weaknesses to his game. Let's put it this way...with our veterans at 2nd base, Id say Panik needs seasoning still too, but I wouldnt be worried about him filling in during an injury either.
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Post by sfgdood on Feb 15, 2013 18:27:55 GMT -5
Rog -- If Brandon Belt wasn't ready, I can't imagine Brown will be. I do think if he gets off to a really good start at Fresno though, he could become the Giant's primary starting left fielder a few months into the season.
But Gary hasn't totally mastered AA ball yet, although he did bounce back nicely from a very slow start. I can't imagine the Giants wanting to have him sit on the bench, so I think he has to mostly start or at least start for a while due to injury.
Dood - I'm fully expecting Gary to go off in Fresno this year. I feel it was less about AA pitchers catching up to him than it was him just not adjusting to the East Coast too well. That happens to lots of Giants players. I believe he had lived on the West Coast his whole life before 2012. The PCL is a hitter's league and I expect Gary to take full advantage of that.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 16, 2013 0:35:38 GMT -5
Dood - It's funny, Panik didnt really blow me away with specific skills. He gets on at a pretty good pace, I recall, and he's good at making contact and catching the ball. I see him as a Scutaro type player for his career. I don't mean the unstoppable Marco we saw last season...but a solid contact hitter (280 to 290ish...good OBP) and good fielder. Not spectacular but no real glaring weaknesses to his game. Let's put it this way...with our veterans at 2nd base, Id say Panik needs seasoning still too, but I wouldnt be worried about him filling in during an injury either. Rog -- Intriguing. I too have made the comparison to Marco. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8924#ixzz2L2NwxUd9 |
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 16, 2013 0:40:22 GMT -5
Dood - I'm fully expecting Gary to go off in Fresno this year. I feel it was less about AA pitchers catching up to him than it was him just not adjusting to the East Coast too well. That happens to lots of Giants players. I believe he had lived on the West Coast his whole life before 2012. The PCL is a hitter's league and I expect Gary to take full advantage of that. Gary -- With a fast start at Fresno, Gary could well become the starting left fielder part way through the season. One word of caution though. Some pretty mediocre players have gone off at Fresno. As you pointed out, Randy, Gary didn't handle the Eastern League too well, although he did hit much better in the second half after a very slow start. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#ixzz2L2OFiEll |
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Post by Islandboagie on Feb 16, 2013 10:03:49 GMT -5
Gary -- With a fast start at Fresno, Gary could well become the starting left fielder part way through the season.
Boagie- Gary has some high hopes for himself. I like to see that.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 16, 2013 10:34:13 GMT -5
Gary -- With a fast start at Fresno, Gary could well become the starting left fielder part way through the season. Boagie- Gary has some high hopes for himself. I like to see that. Rog -- I understand what you're saying here, but I don't think it matters. Willie Mays was scared to death when he was called up, but he somehow fought through it. Heck, if Brown hit .400 this spring, the roster is set up for him to step right into left field. I don't expect it to happen, but the opportunity is there for him. And, yeah, even though he will immediately become the Giants' best center fielder, the emergence of Angel Pagan there will mean Gary will be stuck in left for a while. Gary's natural progression would be AAA this season and the majors in 2014. Since it isn't guaranteed the Giants will re-sign Hunter Pence next winter, Gary's opportunity in 2014 could almost become a necessity. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1445&page=1#8939#ixzz2L4nhIF2z |
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