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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 21, 2023 20:45:25 GMT -5
Swell. We're left out in the cold again with yamamoto going somewhere else.
I guess I would be happy with Blake Snell, but it was far down my list of choices. Come up based upon his problem with ball 4 and his inconsistency. We, which seemingly happens every other season.
Then again maybe I should follow my inclination. I'm blame the guy I wanna blame F z
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Post by reedonly on Dec 21, 2023 21:31:02 GMT -5
Swell. We're left out in the cold again with yamamoto going somewhere else. I guess I would be happy with Blake Snell, but it was far down my list of choices. Come up based upon his problem with ball 4 and his inconsistency. We, which seemingly happens every other season. Then again maybe I should follow my inclination. I'm blame the guy I wanna blame F z I think Yamamoto might have priced himself out of the Giants' comfort zone. So much for devoting their "whole heart and finances". I don't care if he goes to New York but will be upset if he chooses the Dodgers. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 21, 2023 23:22:49 GMT -5
You are implying exactly what i'm thinking, Is rhetoric.
We keep hearing they're all in, We keep hearing they're going to spend what it takes to get the right guys, We keep hearing a lot of things... But we don't see anything happening.
We need another top flight starter, And though blake snell has the potential to be that guy,I am not sold on him.
We don't need more hitters, we need two more starters.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 22, 2023 0:15:59 GMT -5
Yy got $325 million / 12 years. I'm not glad he went to LA but I'm glad the Giants did not spend that.
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Post by Brandt on Dec 22, 2023 0:16:18 GMT -5
WTF, I am done with this team. They have the money they refuse to spend it. F the giant owners and F the dodgers
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Post by pachyderm on Dec 22, 2023 5:52:22 GMT -5
and the rucking fams won...
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 22, 2023 9:29:21 GMT -5
and the fucking rams won... Pach, please... no F bombs on the board |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 22, 2023 9:30:36 GMT -5
Yy got $325 million / 12 years. I'm not glad he went to LA but I'm glad the Giants did not spend that. To keep him out of LA, and considering how good he is ,I would have coughed up the dough in a heartbeat |
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Post by reedonly on Dec 22, 2023 10:39:02 GMT -5
Yy got $325 million / 12 years. I'm not glad he went to LA but I'm glad the Giants did not spend that. To keep him out of LA, and considering how good he is ,I would have coughed up the dough in a heartbeat From what I've heard, the Giants were not in the top three. The trip to New York that he made was for the purpose of getting a higher offer from the New York teams and then getting the Dodgers to exceed that. I believe that the Giants' negotiations were initially aggressive but did not truly put their "whole heart and finances". Probably cost the Dodgers about $370 million with the posting fee. So for three players, they committed $1 billion. I have mixed feelings. I do not like that he went to the Dodgers because now the Dodgers now have the country of Japan rooting for them (including future FA Sasaki) but in the back of my mind, I think they may have dodged a bullet. That being said, FZ's history the last few years is to dodge the bullet, then stand in front of a shotgun blast by overpaying for a number of mediocre 30+ year old players on the downsides of their careers. As before, I'm not bothered so much by the outcome but I am irritated that they seem to have no intention of following through on what they say they are going to do. Fans notice duplicity and double speak and they should not be surprised if attendance dips even further. When the president of baseball operations makes statements such as "we will not be out-bid" or "we are devoting our whole heart and finances", it seems he is trying to make an angry fanbase less angry. If there is no follow through, it appears as if they are trying to deceive. They were outbid by at least three teams in the Yamamoto sweepstakes and technically not outbid for Ohtani (but all things not equal). They can make all the bids that they want but it doesn't cost them unless the bid is accepted. If they were truly in it for Yamamoto, they would submit what should be considered a winning bid, not merely an equal bid (and therefore, no risk to them of being acceoted). In my mind, they are technically not lying and if FZ were tried in a court of law, he probably would not be caught lying. However, I believe without a doubt that there is intent to deceive or deflect the fans. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 22, 2023 15:46:39 GMT -5
Isn't that what I've been saying all along? They never had any intention to sign big names and to make the club better.
They wanted to make a splash with one or two players if they did with lee, hoping that will put fannies in seats, and that's it.
Pick the term that they did; lied, deceived, cheated.
It's all the same. The fans got screwed again
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Post by reedonly on Dec 22, 2023 16:33:31 GMT -5
Yy got $325 million / 12 years. I'm not glad he went to LA but I'm glad the Giants did not spend that. To keep him out of LA, and considering how good he is ,I would have coughed up the dough in a heartbeat I would think twice about bidding that much but I'm angry more that they made proclamations that were not followed through. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 22, 2023 21:11:20 GMT -5
To keep him out of LA, and considering how good he is ,I would have coughed up the dough in a heartbeat I would think twice about bidding that much but I'm angry more that they made proclamations that were not followed through.
yes, big bucks.
But this guy is a game changer.
Snell is not.
We screwed ourselves by not doing what we need to, to acquire the pitching to win |
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Post by reedonly on Dec 22, 2023 23:32:29 GMT -5
I’m seeing Yamamoto is short like Lincecum. His splitfinger has a big drop to it. He seems to rely mostly on arm strength and the motion doesn’t involve the body much. After I looked at the way he pitches, his pitches are devastating but the motion seems to whip around the elbow and I am thinking he’s an injury risk… not immediately but I’m guessing in three years. I’m wondering if we dodged a bullet with this one.
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Post by pachyderm on Dec 23, 2023 4:59:58 GMT -5
and the rucking fams won... Pach, please... no F bombs on the board fixed  |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 23, 2023 9:14:07 GMT -5
Thank you so much! Most appreciated!
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 23, 2023 9:14:55 GMT -5
I’m seeing Yamamoto is short like Lincecum. His splitfinger has a big drop to it. He seems to rely mostly on arm strength and the motion doesn’t involve the body much. After I looked at the way he pitches, his pitches are devastating but the motion seems to whip around the elbow and I am thinking he’s an injury risk… not immediately but I’m guessing in three years. I’m wondering if we dodged a bullet with this one. Do you have a link where you watched him pitch? I'd like to see that. |
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Post by reedonly on Dec 23, 2023 10:07:13 GMT -5
YouTube Yamamoto 2023 highlights
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Post by Petaluma on Dec 23, 2023 15:02:22 GMT -5
Understand...Big time players do not want to play in SF. First off.. the team stinks. Secondly and more importantly, the city is disgusting. What was once a beautiful natural wonder has been destroyed by a human element and its deranged agendas. Playing for a crappy team and dodging it on your way home is not a good selling point. And thirdly, the team colors r awful and the women(both male and female) r ugly.
To win they need to be competitive first. They need to keep developing their farm system, hold on to the blue chips and fill in roster spots with talented yet near expired cast offs. It's worked before(see championships) and can work again. Unfortunately nothing can fix the ugly uniforms and women(M and F)
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 23, 2023 15:06:28 GMT -5
Petaluma comma you covered everything that i've been saying And then some.
Thing is doesn't seem to be many That agree with your position or mine.
They see The city is no worse than la or chicago or new york.
Thus comma what I said recently is again what you were echoing semi colon hang on to our talent, And don't trade any young pitching off. That's the only chance we have.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 23, 2023 19:28:41 GMT -5
I’m seeing tremendous amount of torque on shoulder and elbow.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 24, 2023 8:50:20 GMT -5
CBS sports ran an article on Yamamoto and thought the three main problems were lack of mlb experience, height, and that he's a pitcher. A 12 year commitment to a starting pitcher is crazy and they would be fortunate if YY is around by year 6. I realize the Dodgers are making a big splash but Ohtani, Glasnow, and Yamamoto are a huge risk most teams cannot afford to take on. If you look at who was pitching in 2012 and now, very few like Verlander, Grienke, Scherzer. After I saw YY's delivery, I get a feeling that this may be a blessing in disguise starting in 2026.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 24, 2023 9:27:13 GMT -5
Reed, all of what you said likely will turn out to be true. But it changes nothing. We need starting pitching, and we're likely to be left with the dregs and scum that floats around at the bottom of a barrel.
If the Giants were serious about winning, which I seriously doubt, they would have done something. But they have done nothing.
I'm being a tad facetious, and I'm only using this name as an example, but I think we're going to end up with the likes of someone like Carlos Carrasco, or some other long over the hill waste of time taking the slab
Now if the plan was to bring up other youngsters to pitch alongside of our left-handed kid, why haven't they said so? I think we would all get behind letting the kids play, and learning as the saying goes, under fire.
But no. The rhetoric that comes out of the giant front office is literally on the same level as the rhetoric that comes out of every politician's mouth.
I just read an article about Blake Snell which said everything that I've been saying for the past month; he has command issues. The article also pointed out that he's a Scott Boras client, and likely would be asking for an outrageous number of years. That makes him a no-go for us not to mention how he would destroy the bullpen with his five inning outings.
So that leaves us holding the magician's hat with no rabbit available to be pulled from the inside.
Nice going management! Sarcasm intended
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Post by reedonly on Dec 24, 2023 9:43:49 GMT -5
On a team like the Dodgers, they can have sunk cost of $100 million a year and not blink but most other teams cannot afford that. When the YY signing first happened, I was upset but when I stepped back and looked at it, it is extremely risky. Most starters cannot fulfill a four year contract, let alone 12. We only have to look at our own Horse Matt Cain. He looked physical enough to go on for years but even he could not. I know it looks bad initially but if we take a longer perspective,it is a huge risk most teams should not take. In my mind, five to seven years maximum for a starting pitcher and that’s realizing that years four through seven would be ineffective. Like Will Clark says, let them spend all their money. It is not good baseball sense.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 24, 2023 10:00:01 GMT -5
Trading for Glasnow was smart. Extending him five years
Is questionable. I think 2024 and 2025 look good for them but they’ll show cracks in 2026. Arrogance has a way of getting paid back.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 24, 2023 10:09:38 GMT -5
Reed, all of what you said likely will turn out to be true. But it changes nothing. We need starting pitching, and we're likely to be left with the dregs and scum that floats around at the bottom of a barrel. If the Giants were serious about winning, which I seriously doubt, they would have done something. But they have done nothing. I'm being a tad facetious, and I'm only using this name as an example, but I think we're going to end up with the likes of someone like Carlos Carrasco, or some other long over the hill waste of time taking the slab Now if the plan was to bring up other youngsters to pitch alongside of our left-handed kid, why haven't they said so? I think we would all get behind letting the kids play, and learning as the saying goes, under fire. But no. The rhetoric that comes out of the giant front office is literally on the same level as the rhetoric that comes out of every politician's mouth. I just read an article about Blake Snell which said everything that I've been saying for the past month; he has command issues. The article also pointed out that he's a Scott Boras client, and likely would be asking for an outrageous number of years. That makes him a no-go for us not to mention how he would destroy the bullpen with his five inning outings. So that leaves us holding the magician's hat with no rabbit available to be pulled from the inside. Nice going management! Sarcasm intended Better to not spend poorly just because they have it. I’ve given my reasons why no Snell or Bellinger. They must not make the panic move. Stick with the kids is better than catastrophic spending. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 24, 2023 14:39:35 GMT -5
Trading for Glasnow was smart. Extending him five years Is questionable. I think 2024 and 2025 look good for them but they’ll show cracks in 2026. Arrogance has a way of getting paid back. All true. But in the meantime we aren't screwed up the wally wally! I'm sick and tired of the promises. I am sick and tired of having no chance to win. I am sick and tired Of the crap! Put a team on the field that can win, OR commit completely to a rebuild. Something we can be proud of. But these jackasses can't do either! |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 24, 2023 14:40:23 GMT -5
Reed, all of what you said likely will turn out to be true. But it changes nothing. We need starting pitching, and we're likely to be left with the dregs and scum that floats around at the bottom of a barrel. If the Giants were serious about winning, which I seriously doubt, they would have done something. But they have done nothing. I'm being a tad facetious, and I'm only using this name as an example, but I think we're going to end up with the likes of someone like Carlos Carrasco, or some other long over the hill waste of time taking the slab Now if the plan was to bring up other youngsters to pitch alongside of our left-handed kid, why haven't they said so? I think we would all get behind letting the kids play, and learning as the saying goes, under fire. But no. The rhetoric that comes out of the giant front office is literally on the same level as the rhetoric that comes out of every politician's mouth. I just read an article about Blake Snell which said everything that I've been saying for the past month; he has command issues. The article also pointed out that he's a Scott Boras client, and likely would be asking for an outrageous number of years. That makes him a no-go for us not to mention how he would destroy the bullpen with his five inning outings. So that leaves us holding the magician's hat with no rabbit available to be pulled from the inside. Nice going management! Sarcasm intended Better to not spend poorly just because they have it. I’ve given my reasons why no Snell or Bellinger. They must not make the panic move. Stick with the kids is better than catastrophic spending. None of us once a panic move. But we are not going to do anything. And worse than that as you keep pointing out, We're going to be feeding out of the bottom of the barrel again |
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Post by reedonly on Dec 24, 2023 15:07:52 GMT -5
Reed, all of what you said likely will turn out to be true. But it changes nothing. We need starting pitching, and we're likely to be left with the dregs and scum that floats around at the bottom of a barrel. If the Giants were serious about winning, which I seriously doubt, they would have done something. But they have done nothing. I'm being a tad facetious, and I'm only using this name as an example, but I think we're going to end up with the likes of someone like Carlos Carrasco, or some other long over the hill waste of time taking the slab Now if the plan was to bring up other youngsters to pitch alongside of our left-handed kid, why haven't they said so? I think we would all get behind letting the kids play, and learning as the saying goes, under fire. But no. The rhetoric that comes out of the giant front office is literally on the same level as the rhetoric that comes out of every politician's mouth. I just read an article about Blake Snell which said everything that I've been saying for the past month; he has command issues. The article also pointed out that he's a Scott Boras client, and likely would be asking for an outrageous number of years. That makes him a no-go for us not to mention how he would destroy the bullpen with his five inning outings. So that leaves us holding the magician's hat with no rabbit available to be pulled from the inside. Nice going management! Sarcasm intended The true dregs are Stripling, desclafani, or Wood |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 24, 2023 15:34:45 GMT -5
And i'm suggesting, No, Let me rephrase that. I am saying that we are gonna get more of the same the longer f. Z waits to do anything.
And he has already waited way too long
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Post by reedonly on Dec 24, 2023 16:36:48 GMT -5
Players were waiting for Ohtani and YY to set the market. Probably due to Boras trying to create desperation
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